So, ACTUALLY, you have no evidence.When the ad hominems come out, you know you’ve won. Nothing more to say here.
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So, ACTUALLY, you have no evidence.When the ad hominems come out, you know you’ve won. Nothing more to say here.
There's not a peep of evidence that happened, either Biblical or historical.Again, I will remind you that they were "raptured" off the planet back in the AD 70 resurrection when Christ returned to the Mount of Olives as He was prophesied to do. They were the ones who were MADE "ALIVE" by resurrection, and had "remained" on earth until then. You will not meet any of those formerly-resurrected saints today, since they were "caught up together" with the newly-resurrected saints on that AD 70 year's Pentecost-day resurrection, just as Daniel 12:12 prophesied for that 1335th day.
I believe you know what I meant & are just being sarcastic.Bias isn't what makes something true or not. The only thing that makes something true or not are the actual facts. Your demand would eliminate the bible itself as it is extremely biased towards God and His Christ. The bible is unequivocally one-sided. Does that make the bible untrue?
There is one huge problem with your interpretation - all this had to happen in the first century. Not later.Not if they're LITERAL.
Nupe! Nero, while a bad boy, didn't BEGIN to fulfill the Biblical criteria for the beast/antichrist. He didn't overthrow 3 kings to come to power; he was appointed by his uncle Claudius & confirmed by the Senate. He had no miracle-working false prophet as his deputy. He was never in Jerusalem in his life, let alone in the temple. He was overthrown my men, while the true beast won't be. And he DIED; he was not cast alive into hell.
AOL="abomination of desolation". It'll be when the antichrist enters the new temple the Jews will build, set up his statue in it, & declare himself God.
Nupe! LITERAL !
Nupe! It'll be WORLDWIDE, not just limited to the Jews.(Rev. 3:10) There was no death of all life in the sea, no great rain of rocks, no splitting of Jerusalem into 3 parts by an earthquake, etc.
JESUS HIMSELF said, "Every eye shall see Him, even the eyes of those who pierced Him."
Its absolutely common in biblical prophecies that they seem more cataclysmic than their fulfillment. Just look at the Old Testament and prophecies and crying about wars and what global and colorful language was used. Then, the fulfillment was a classic war and desolation of Palestine. Its the same thing.Nupe! It'll be WORLDWIDE, not just limited to the Jews.(Rev. 3:10) There was no death of all life in the sea, no great rain of rocks, no splitting of Jerusalem into 3 parts by an earthquake, etc.
Sorry, Sir; there's no such promise in Scripture.There is one huge problem with your interpretation - all this had to happen in the first century. Not later.
You are pushing these events to the future just because you do not know exactly how to interpret some details about antichrist, but you are breaking the manytimes repeated promise/claim that it all will happen in the lifespan of Jesus' disciples.
The absolute, unmistakable PROOF of those events not yet occurring is that the same ole earth that was here in AD 65, & 71 is still here now, still with people & nations. And many signs were recently fulfilled, or are being fulfilled right now, such as the land of Judah being a terror to the Egyptians (Isaiah 19), the sovereign Jewish nation with Jerusalem again its capital, the great falling away & moral decay, war & rumor of war, the vast increase in knowledge & travel, etc.Its absolutely common in biblical prophecies that they seem more cataclysmic than their fulfillment. Just look at the Old Testament and prophecies and crying about wars and what global and colorful language was used. Then, the fulfillment was a classic war and desolation of Palestine. Its the same thing.
You are ignoring these facts and forcibly trying to keep a technically literal interpretation of all details of all images and of all figures of speech.
And because it was never meant to be fulfilled in such a way, you must still push it more and more into the future, even 2,000 years after the promised timing of the fulfillment.
There's not a peep of evidence that happened, either Biblical or historical.
Sorry, Sir; there's no such promise in Scripture.
There has always been some resemblence throughout the history, almost any generation of futurists thought they are the last ones because of some isolated sign they thought is from the bible.The absolute, unmistakable PROOF of those events not yet occurring is that the same ole earth that was here in AD 65, & 71 is still here now, still with people & nations. And many signs were recently fulfilled, or are being fulfilled right now, such as the land of Judah being a terror to the Egyptians (Isaiah 19), the sovereign Jewish nation with Jerusalem again its capital, the great falling away & moral decay, war & rumor of war, the vast increase in knowledge & travel, etc.
Nonsense. You are badly butchering that passage and not accepting what Paul taught. Paul said we shall not all sleep/die and that means...we won't all sleep/die. It really doesn't get any more straightforward than that. What he said there lines up with what he taught here:That is not at all what Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52. There is no "technical violation" of the Hebrews 9:27 rule. Paul did not teach any exception to the one-time-only death for all mankind in the 1 Cor. 15:51-52 text.
Paul was speaking to the believers when he said "We shall not all sleep" meaning "None of us shall sleep, but we shall all be changed..." None of the believers would stay dead in the grave. ALL of the dead believers would be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, etc.. That entire context describes how the dead in Christ would be given incorruptibility in the resurrection - not how there would be some believers who would never pass through death at all.
Traditionally, this verse has been interpreted to mean that not every person would experience the physical death process, but all would be changed anyway, whether they were alive or not. But you should compare this verse to the way 1 John 2:19 uses the very same language about the many antichrists that went out from among the believers. It reads...
"They" (speaking of the antichrists) "went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were NOT ALL of us." This is exactly the same way 1 Cor. 15:51 reads, when it says "we shall NOT ALL sleep..."
Now, if you are going to make "not all" teach that there are exceptions to the general rule, then you would have to do the very same thing with the antichrists spoken about in 1 John 2:19. That would mean that some of the antichrists actually did belong among the believers, as an exception. And that was not John's point at all. He meant that NONE of the antichrists actually belonged among the believers. It was manifestly obvious that none of them belonged with the assembly, because they all took off and quit having fellowship with the church.
It's the same thing with "we shall not all sleep...". It means that there would not be a single exception among the dead believers - ALL would have their dead bodies changed into the incorruptible.
The message of scripture is unanimous across the board with no contradictions: all of mankind dies the one time - no exceptions. And all of the dead bodies of believers will be changed to the incorruptible in a bodily resurrection. Not one of them will be left in the dust of the grave.
The "evidence" posted here so far has been opinion & guesswork.Of course there is evidence, both Biblical and historical, but you just don't choose to accept it. You are a jury of one.
In no way, shape or form was Paul saying in those passages that he somehow knew he would still be alive when Christ returned. I'm sure he believed he and his Corinthian and Thessalonian readers might still be alive at the time, but what he was saying is that those who are alive and remain until the future coming of the Lord, which he believed could include him, will be caught up together with the dead in Christ to meet the Lord in the air."Behold, I shew you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed..."
1 Cor. 15:51
"Then we the living who remain shall be caught away together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
1 Thessalonians 4:17
"...and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. "
1 Thessalonians 5:23
You obviously are.I'm not pushing anything into the future.
I am not here to convince you.Do you actually think this is a convincing way to make an argument? Please.
Do you realize what thread you are currently in? Reacting is not promoting.Full preterism is not allowed to be promoted on this forum. Please stop doing that.
Is this your way of saying you want to be reported? You are promoting your full preterist beliefs in this thread and that is against forum rules. Is that too hard for you to understand? Are you planning to continue to do so?Do you realize what thread you are currently in? Reacting is not promoting.
If you like censorship, report whatever you like, I do not care.Is this your way of saying you want to be reported? You are promoting your full preterist beliefs in this thread. Are you planning to continue to do so?
I like following forum rules. I guess you don't. Your arguments are weak so it has nothing to do with that. As a Christian, you should want to respect the rules of a Christian forum.If you like censorship, report whatever you like, I do not care.
But thanks, it means my arguments are so good that you must stop them this way.
As a Christian I should respect and say truth. As a Christian you should know that.I like following forum rules. I guess you don't. Your arguments are weak so it has nothing to do with that. As a Christian, you should want to respect the rules of a Christian forum.
Persecution? LOL. You must not know what persecution is. I don't think you will get a reward for blatantly violating the rules of a Christian forum, though. Good luck.As a Christian I should respect and say truth. As a Christian you should know that.
Report me and I will have a reward in heaven for this persecution, so do whatever you must do.
you see here how Paul contrasts "them which are asleep/the dead in Christ" with "we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord"? Those who are still alive when He returns won't die. Instead, they will be immediately changed to have incorruptible, immortal bodies.