For The Orthodox Faithful Who Are Confused About Covid Vaccines: Orthodox Talks

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I've heard since this pandemic started, from a couple of shows I listen and watch that this won't end. And after watching this, which I knew some of it but not all, it's even more obvious this isn't about caring about people's health.

https://thehighwire.com/videos/exposing-vaccine-passports/
Hi Dorothea, Thank you. I'm replying to you here in response to this video you've shared here, but with an alert for others:

***Warning: I'm am vehemently, (to the extreme) against getting vaccinated because of my views on abortion and the scientific and medical use of the "products of conception" coming from elective abortions. Not many people will want to have read this post that follows, because I use such strong language in it. If you suspect you are one of them, then you really ought to just pass it by.

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So, St. Paisios isn't really just a simple-minded conspiracy theorist after all? And we actually can be marked by an injectable substance? but what about the substance, I wonder, would make the willful receiving of it an act of worship paid to the evil one? Could it be... could it possibly be --- Because taking it reveals our unwillingness to "... receive one of these little children in My [His] name" (See Mark 9:37) because we have become too faithless and unspiritual to lay down our own lives to save them from being murdered in vast numbers within their mother's wombs?

If we accept the vaccine we accept their murders. And let's not think for even one moment that their murders are not indeed sacrificial offerings to the demon: Satan! This is precisely what they are: occult, Satanic child sacrifices, and we become participants in the unholy communion that is being fed us when we willingly are injected with the products of those sacrifices, however remote the products seem to be from these most evil acts. It is not what we say or what we write that shows who we worship. It is what we do in our flesh (our deeds, our works). could we honestly believe that if we take these products into our bodies, knowing the path through which they have come to be in the syringe, and then go back with only our mouths to say that "we do not agree with this practice of using the bodies of the aborted to test or make medicines" that this will mean anything to anyone, or to God? It means nothing, except this: "These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me." (Matthew 15:8)! Let's have this next saying sink into our hearts: There is only one, holy material that can effectively serve in the building of the wall that will hold back and stop the roaring tide of this unprecedented evil that's finally consuming man almost entirely. That "material" is the aggregate bodies, along with the blood of Holy Martyrs of the One True God: The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. May He give many of us His strength, by His Power Holy Spirit.

Please, for the Love of God and others, let us finally repent, so that our eyes will be opened to the horrific evil that is all around, in the hearts of man, growing with each passing moment, and to stand on the side of the Lord and His Holy Law! I'm now to the point of begging and pleading! Because it is becoming increasingly more difficult for us to keep from becoming even more blind and more deaf, with every passing day.

– And if someone receives the mark unknowingly?

"It’d be better to say “uncaringly”. How can one be unknowing, when everything is crystal clear? And if a person doesn’t know, then he should become interested and find out." (St. Paisios the Anthonite)

"Then Jesus said to the crowds, 'As soon as you see a cloud rising in the west, you say, "A shower is coming," and that is what happens. And when the south wind blows, you say, "It will be hot," and it is. You hypocrites! You know how to interpret the appearance of the earth and sky. Why don’t you know how to interpret the present time?'" (Luke 12:54-56)

"Help us, save us, have mercy on us, and keep us, O God, by Thy strength." Let's pray for ourselves, each other, and for all others, whether vaccinated or unvaccinated. Lord have mercy. We need prayer so much now!
 
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I’m somewhat ashamed to admit that I couldn’t even bring myself to attend Divine Liturgy for 2 weeks after the pressure to wear masks came back followed by the announcement by the synod on the vaccine. I even questioned whether I should continue as a catechumen at my parish. I’ve regrouped and attended for the last two weeks wearing a shield. Not everyone wears a mask but I feel disrespectful not having a face covering of some kind when there are signs posted on every door saying they are highly recommended. At least Our Lord Jesus seems to be helping me learn to gradually be more humble and obedient. I also respect that people have different views on the subject and that’s okay too.
 
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just a random slight sidebar, but as a chaplain I am getting flooded with Religious Accommodation requests to not get the COVID vaccine. it’s been pretty nuts.
I did take note from an earlier post of yours, which led me to suspect that you had been granting them? If this is so I am very thankful.
 
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Hi Dorothea, Thank you. I'm replying to you here in response to this video you've shared here, but with an alert for others:

***Warning: I'm am vehemently, (to the extreme) against getting vaccinated because of my views on abortion and the scientific and medical use of the "products of conception" coming from elective abortions. Not many people will want to have read this post that follows, because I use such strong language in it. If you suspect you are one of them, then you really ought to just pass it by.

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So, St. Paisios isn't really just a simple-minded conspiracy theorist after all? And we actually can be marked by an injectable substance? but what about the substance, I wonder, would make the willful receiving of it an act of worship paid to the evil one? Could it be... could it possibly be --- Because taking it reveals our unwillingness to "... receive one of these little children in My [His] name" (See Mark 9:37) because we have become too faithless and unspiritual to lay down our own lives to save them from being murdered in vast numbers within their mother's wombs?

If we accept the vaccine we accept their murders. And let's not think for even one moment that their murders are not indeed sacrificial offerings to the demon: Satan! This is precisely what they are: occult, Satanic child sacrifices, and we become participants in the unholy communion that is being fed us when we willingly are injected with the products of those sacrifices, however remote the products seem to be from these most evil acts. It is not what we say or what we write that shows who we worship. It is what we do in our flesh (our deeds, our works). could we honestly believe that if we take these products into our bodies, knowing the path through which they have come to be in the syringe, and then go back with only our mouths to say that "we do not agree with this practice of using the bodies of the aborted to test or make medicines" that this will mean anything to anyone, or to God? It means nothing, except this: "These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me." (Matthew 15:8)! Let's have this next saying sink into our hearts: There is only one, holy material that can effectively serve in the building of the wall that will hold back and stop the roaring tide of this unprecedented evil that's finally consuming man almost entirely. That "material" is the aggregate bodies, along with the blood of Holy Martyrs of the One True God: The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. May He give many of us His strength, by His Power Holy Spirit.

Please, for the Love of God and others, let us finally repent, so that our eyes will be opened to the horrific evil that is all around, in the hearts of man, growing with each passing moment, and to stand on the side of the Lord and His Holy Law! I'm now to the point of begging and pleading! Because it is becoming increasingly more difficult for us to keep from becoming even more blind and more deaf, with every passing day.

– And if someone receives the mark unknowingly?

"It’d be better to say “uncaringly”. How can one be unknowing, when everything is crystal clear? And if a person doesn’t know, then he should become interested and find out." (St. Paisios the Anthonite)

"Then Jesus said to the crowds, 'As soon as you see a cloud rising in the west, you say, "A shower is coming," and that is what happens. And when the south wind blows, you say, "It will be hot," and it is. You hypocrites! You know how to interpret the appearance of the earth and sky. Why don’t you know how to interpret the present time?'" (Luke 12:54-56)

"Help us, save us, have mercy on us, and keep us, O God, by Thy strength." Let's pray for ourselves, each other, and for all others, whether vaccinated or unvaccinated. Lord have mercy. We need prayer so much now!
Thank you for your efforts and for helping me to see the importance and seriousness of this particular aspect that I hadn't really considered much in what's been going on with this vaccine/shot and other medications. I appreciate your helping me to see this. God bless.
 
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I did take note from an earlier post of yours, which led me to suspect that you had been granting them? If this is so I am very thankful.

I don’t have the authority to grant them, but I can make recommendations based on sincerity
 
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Hi Dorothea, Thank you. I'm replying to you here in response to this video you've shared here, but with an alert for others:

***Warning: I'm am vehemently, (to the extreme) against getting vaccinated because of my views on abortion and the scientific and medical use of the "products of conception" coming from elective abortions. Not many people will want to have read this post that follows, because I use such strong language in it. If you suspect you are one of them, then you really ought to just pass it by.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So, St. Paisios isn't really just a simple-minded conspiracy theorist after all? And we actually can be marked by an injectable substance? but what about the substance, I wonder, would make the willful receiving of it an act of worship paid to the evil one? Could it be... could it possibly be --- Because taking it reveals our unwillingness to "... receive one of these little children in My [His] name" (See Mark 9:37) because we have become too faithless and unspiritual to lay down our own lives to save them from being murdered in vast numbers within their mother's wombs?

If we accept the vaccine we accept their murders. And let's not think for even one moment that their murders are not indeed sacrificial offerings to the demon: Satan! This is precisely what they are: occult, Satanic child sacrifices, and we become participants in the unholy communion that is being fed us when we willingly are injected with the products of those sacrifices, however remote the products seem to be from these most evil acts. It is not what we say or what we write that shows who we worship. It is what we do in our flesh (our deeds, our works). could we honestly believe that if we take these products into our bodies, knowing the path through which they have come to be in the syringe, and then go back with only our mouths to say that "we do not agree with this practice of using the bodies of the aborted to test or make medicines" that this will mean anything to anyone, or to God? It means nothing, except this: "These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me." (Matthew 15:8)! Let's have this next saying sink into our hearts: There is only one, holy material that can effectively serve in the building of the wall that will hold back and stop the roaring tide of this unprecedented evil that's finally consuming man almost entirely. That "material" is the aggregate bodies, along with the blood of Holy Martyrs of the One True God: The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. May He give many of us His strength, by His Power Holy Spirit.

Please, for the Love of God and others, let us finally repent, so that our eyes will be opened to the horrific evil that is all around, in the hearts of man, growing with each passing moment, and to stand on the side of the Lord and His Holy Law! I'm now to the point of begging and pleading! Because it is becoming increasingly more difficult for us to keep from becoming even more blind and more deaf, with every passing day.

– And if someone receives the mark unknowingly?

"It’d be better to say “uncaringly”. How can one be unknowing, when everything is crystal clear? And if a person doesn’t know, then he should become interested and find out." (St. Paisios the Anthonite)

"Then Jesus said to the crowds, 'As soon as you see a cloud rising in the west, you say, "A shower is coming," and that is what happens. And when the south wind blows, you say, "It will be hot," and it is. You hypocrites! You know how to interpret the appearance of the earth and sky. Why don’t you know how to interpret the present time?'" (Luke 12:54-56)

"Help us, save us, have mercy on us, and keep us, O God, by Thy strength." Let's pray for ourselves, each other, and for all others, whether vaccinated or unvaccinated. Lord have mercy. We need prayer so much now!

Back when I was an atheist (which is basically crypto-satanism), when my girlfriend at the time got pregnant, I suggested we abort/sacrifice to Moloch. Thank God that we didn’t. She’s 9 years old now, and she entered into the Church when she was six.

I think having known the “dark side” really helps to see it now. I recognize it easier because I was one of them. I wouldn’t claim God gave me the gift of discernment. It’s more akin to street smarts.
 
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I don’t have the authority to grant them, but I can make recommendations based on sincerity
In the federal government, they use recommendations from religious leaders (or in your case, chaplain / priest) as part of the evaluation process for religious accommodation requests. They still can deny them if they decide not to grant it for some reason. I’m glad you can help with the recommendations. It is important from my perspective for employers to allow beliefs to be respected and accommodated.
 
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In the federal government, they use recommendations from religious leaders (or in your case, chaplain / priest) as part of the evaluation process for religious accommodation requests. They still can deny them if they decide not to grant it for some reason. I’m glad you can help wit the recommendations. It is important from my perspective for employers to allow beliefs to be respected and accommodated.

yep, I even had to do one for an atheist last week. that was fun.
 
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yep, I even had to do one for an atheist last week. that was fun.
That’s an interesting scenario. If you don’t mind me asking…what was the objection in the case of the atheist?
 
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That’s an interesting scenario. If you don’t mind me asking…what was the objection in the case of the atheist?

that the vaccines he felt were rushed, and that opposing views were not heard, etc. personally, I don’t think he has much of a case since that isn’t a religious reason.
 
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Take their word at face-value. “They” are telling you to your face who and what their values are.

*Notice in this situation who they would normally call a ‘fetus’ is called a baby.*

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yep, I even had to do one for an atheist last week. that was fun.

How does an atheist have a religious objection AND how on earth could an Orthodox priest write him one?!?!!?!? :)
 
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How does an atheist have a religious objection AND how on earth could an Orthodox priest write him one?!?!!?!? :)
Atheists sometimes use religion to fit their needs, then throw it away when they’re finished.

We shouldn’t judge though. I suppose we can only hope the when they do use Christianity to fill their needs for their situation at that moment it will eventually lead them to Christ.
 
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How does an atheist have a religious objection AND how on earth could an Orthodox priest write him one?!?!!?!? :)

the regs say we are to write one based on sincerity and if this would be a burden. for him, the answer was yes to both.

it was fun though trying to figure out how to do it.
 
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