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If she didn't have the courage (whatever that means), killing her would be murder. If she didn't have the mental capacity to decide on suicide, the same.

You don't actually need a lot of strength to commit suicide. There are currently "suicide machines" were one only has to press a button to have the deadly drug injected.
No assistance needed? Well, then I guess the death is not on the hands of someone else. However, when people finance and support and vote for killing old people I suspect that is involvement.
 
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So let me get this straight. The baby sacrifice is OK as long as it is done for a good cause?

Too bad what you think. If God sends babies then obviously He must think something else. If you were a farmer and had a sheep pen that could no longer hold the sheep, what would you do? Probably get a bigger pen, no? The pen of planet earth was created in a day by God. If it gets too full, how would that be any problem at all for Him? Man just wants to play god.

God commanded man and animals to multiply. Some people use 'breed' as a bad word.
Unless you can show evidence of earth significantly growing in its ability to sustain life, I see no reason to give your statements any weight.

Even as a christian, I would find your notions offensive, because you are putting words into gods mouth.
 
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So let me get this straight. The baby sacrifice is OK as long as it is done for a good cause?

Too bad what you think. If God sends babies then obviously He must think something else. If you were a farmer and had a sheep pen that could no longer hold the sheep, what would you do? Probably get a bigger pen, no? The pen of planet earth was created in a day by God. If it gets too full, how would that be any problem at all for Him? Man just wants to play god.

God commanded man and animals to multiply. Some people use 'breed' as a bad word.

I was thinking more sterilization. Abortion is already going on, and while I do not have the numbers even in places that it's illegal.. it probably doesn't curb the behavior too much.. just like the war on drugs. I listen to a public radio show every morning where the hosts openly talk about taking illegal drugs.. it's just going to happen regardless.
 
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So you are against contraception or "safe sex" then.

Sorry, you're not winning me over here, you need to be more honest with your position. It seems you want everyone to be happy for every baby that comes along and not to stop them from coming.

Given the number of people on the planet and our trouble feeding and caring for them all, this does not seem like a good plan.
The trouble is not that there is not enough food and land to grow and etc. The problem is sin.
 
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No assistance needed? Well, then I guess the death is not on the hands of someone else. However, when people finance and support and vote for killing old people I suspect that is involvement.
I think that assisted suicide should be covered by health insurance, which people are entitled to after a lifetime of paying into them.
 
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Unless you can show evidence of earth significantly growing in its ability to sustain life, I see no reason to give your statements any weight.

Even as a christian, I would find your notions offensive, because you are putting words into gods mouth.
In the case of the sheep farmer with a pen that was too small, I would not expect to see the pen growing in the night. In the case of God we can't see Him and what He is building or doing. We are told of one city He has built that is on the way to earth though. Some estimate it can hold about 20-25 billion people where each family of 5 still has 125 sq miles of space to live.
 
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I was thinking more sterilization. Abortion is already going on, and while I do not have the numbers even in places that it's illegal.. it probably doesn't curb the behavior too much.. just like the war on drugs. I listen to a public radio show every morning where the hosts openly talk about taking illegal drugs.. it's just going to happen regardless.
There are many ways that human population is impacted and one way is the push for same sex relations.
 
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I think that assisted suicide should be covered by health insurance, which people are entitled to after a lifetime of paying into them.
OK, there we have an opinion. I must admit that in some cases the medical system keeps bodies alive so that by merely asking them to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] off and go away, I am not sure that is murder. Seems more like medical choice to me.
 
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There are many ways that human population is impacted and one way is the push for same sex relations.

That seems pretty negligible. The brutal reality requires much.. much.. much.. much more. Really it's a question.. of wanting to seem monstrous in our current generation.. or be viewed as monstrous for doing nothing in future ones.
 
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The trouble is not that there is not enough food and land to grow and etc. The problem is sin.

That is ignoring the physical limits of this world and a non-answer.
 
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In the case of the sheep farmer with a pen that was too small, I would not expect to see the pen growing in the night. In the case of God we can't see Him and what He is building or doing. We are told of one city He has built that is on the way to earth though. Some estimate it can hold about 20-25 billion people where each family of 5 still has 125 sq miles of space to live.
That sounds like a lot of lawn to mow. I think I'll pass.

And really? A family of five? Surely you're thinking more along the lines of a family of 20, considering you apparently view contraception as a sin.
 
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That seems pretty negligible. The brutal reality requires much.. much.. much.. much more. Really it's a question.. of wanting to seem monstrous in our current generation.. or be viewed as monstrous for doing nothing in future ones.
Not sure of the numbers, but it is an agenda that is pushed. In Canada with a population of under 40 million they say the number is something like 1 million people.

https://www.straight.com/living/can...llion-strong-bisexual-women-outnumber-gay-men
 
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That sounds like a lot of lawn to mow. I think I'll pass.

And really? A family of five? Surely you're thinking more along the lines of a family of 20, considering you apparently view contraception as a sin.
Well, why not a family of 200 million over time? We have eternity. Look at all the planets and stars out there. Is it hard for God to make all the room ever needed?
 
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Well, why not a family of 200 million over time? We have eternity. Look at all the planets and stars out there. Is it hard for God to make all the room ever needed?
Until he does, let's work with what we have. That's the only prudent choice.

Multiplying without any regard for the consequences would be like jesus throwing himself onto the rocks in the expectation of angels catching him.

Matthew 4:5-7
 
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There are no limits to what God can do, and why ignore that?

And why can't you see we have to solve our own problems?

And that theological solutions that are not based in reality don't do anything but produce suffering.
 
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Until he does, let's work with what we have. That's the only prudent choice.

Multiplying without any regard for the consequences would be like jesus throwing himself onto the rocks in the expectation of angels catching him.

Matthew 4:5-7
If God sends babies, then He knows the consequences. How about right now, is there food enough and space if people were loving and shared? Why worry about the unknown future. God knows the future. He actually has a plan in place that will reduce the population. It is called the Rapture.
 
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There are people and organizations that promote reducing the human population. If people suggest human lives be taken, either old or babies or any age or class, how is it they think they are exempt themselves. Should they not lead by example if they insist in this wrong philosophy?
How come those people aren't ecstatic about covid? It seems like the people who are all pro abortion and worried about the world ending from overpopulation are the same people who want extreme covid restrictions. Weird.
 
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