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It would also seem you have no interest in discussing what people actually think but rather want to attempt to lump those who disagree with you in with the Nazis.
There is no doubt that population control that involves murder is widespread. Apparently some countries could not get loans/relief unless they whack babies. Countries like Canada promote this all over. The nazis also sought to kill sick and minorities in an effort to control. Why would we exclude them when discussing this??
 
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How is people having babies forced? Are you suggesting that if you do not offer to kill that baby, you are forcing them? How is it not informed to really know where babies come from? Did you think informing people how to murder was the quintessential definition of 'informed'?

I have known women in their forties that didn't know about condoms and had to be taught by my wife. And this is here in America. There is a whole group of people in this country that have had to learn about sex and babies the hard way because instead of being taught about sex their teachers either kept it from them or tried to scare them straight not to do it. But hormones are strong and no matter what is taught, the same percent of teenagers will have sex before marriage. The question is what information and support systems do they have?

I understand you don't like abortions, I don't either. But I would rather reduce them by reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies through education and contraception rather than making it illegal.

Not every baby is a blessing, and it would be better if women made a choice up front than at the end.
 
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There is no doubt that population control that involves murder is widespread. Apparently some countries could not get loans/relief unless they whack babies. Countries like Canada promote this all over. The nazis also sought to kill sick and minorities in an effort to control. Why would we exclude them when discussing this??

Do you believe using contraception is murder?
 
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Depends on how one goes about it. I do not think the concept itself is inherently immoral. We do live on a planet with finite resources. Might be sensitive at points, especially if you want to prioritize the kinds of people you want to breed.
 
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I have known women in their forties that didn't know about condoms and had to be taught by my wife. And this is here in America.
So what? They should be taught that sex is part of a marriage and that babies are from God.
There is a whole group of people in this country that have had to learn about sex and babies the hard way because instead of being taught about sex their teachers either kept it from them or tried to scare them straight not to do it. But hormones are strong and no matter what is taught, the same percent of teenagers will have sex before marriage. The question is what information and support systems do they have?
You speak as if children are the ultimate curse. Sometimes people learn stuff even after they have kids!
I understand you don't like abortions, I don't either. But I would rather reduce them by reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies through education and contraception rather than making it illegal.
Yet killing babies is front and centre on the agenda of those who want population control.

Not every baby is a blessing, and it would be better if women made a choice up front than at the end.
No? I disagree. Sometimes blessings come disguised as hard work.
 
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Do you believe using contraception is murder?
I believe Satan hates mankind and wants to kill them after they are born as well as before and any other way he can get away with if allowed. His children are of the same mind.
 
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Great. Viva la liberte. Too bad the old and the unborn and often the diseased as well don't really get much choice.
Neither does anyone else. We all suffer, rot and die. Not neccessarily in that order.
 
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Depends on how one goes about it. I do not think the concept itself is inherently immoral. We do live on a planet with finite resources. Might be sensitive at points, especially if you want to prioritize the kinds of people you want to breed.
Wow. Nice that some people just come out and say it. We actually live on a planet created by God who has infinite resources and can make other planets in a moment if needed.
 
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Two commands given to our first parents: be fruitful and multiply, and tend the garden.

The graph shows the worldwide human population growth over the last 12,000 years. It took from pre-historic times to 1800 to reach nearly 1 billion. But in the last 200+ years, due to our technology and ability to manipulate the environment, our species has grown to over 7 billion. Homo sapiens is by far the most populous and prolific large mammal species on earth.

Beyond any doubt, we’ve obeyed God’s command to multiply. But we've tended the garden mostly for ourselves.


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https://ourworldindata.org/world-population-growth#how-has-world-population-growth-changed-over-time
 
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People have no choice but to die, but that does not mean the wicked and selfish have some right to kill them.
I agree that there's no need to kill people.

I do think that the old and sick should have a right to medically assisted suicide, though.
 
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