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[Larniavc]

There are people and organizations that promote reducing the human population. If people suggest human lives be taken, either old or babies or any age or class, how is it they think they are exempt themselves. Should they not lead by example if they insist in this wrong philosophy?

Who are these people? Even if ‘they’ exist many western democracies have falling birth rates.

 

[Larniavc]

Consider places like Haiti or Central America with very high fertility rates and people trying to migrate away. It is the result of lust. Such high population growth resulted in poverty and suffering. I would not oppose the efforts of people to reduce lust and out of control birth rates by education, self control and birth control.

I would oppose war and murder as ways to reduce population.

It’s not too much lust it’s not enough contraception.

 

[Estrid]

Officially the Catholic Church is against birth control. Some Catholics may dissent from this opinion.
https://theconversation.com/how-the-catholic-church-came-to-oppose-birth-control-95694

So to the point do you still figure it is the corrupt
sinful nature of those (black and hispanic / native american)
Inhabitants that created the situation they have now?

No responsibility at all for the imperialists and their
exploitation?

 

[power1]

That's just a silly conspiracy, power. Don't believe everything that you read.

A Darker Shade of Green: Environmentalism’s Origins in Eugenics
Population Council
"The time of vasectomy": how American foundations fueled a terrible atrocity in India
Maybe you could start by telling us your views on limiting human population, is that good or bad?

 

[power1]

No, there aren't. Look at the actual data, not silly conspiracy.

Gapminder

Population forecasts | Gapminder

Perhaps you do not consider the old or people not yet born human?

 

[Estrid]

Who are these people? Even if ‘they’ exist many western democracies have falling birth rates.

We've not been told, dont expect to find out.

I suspect its the widespread habit of " uncovering" some
sort of (gasp) hypocrisy on the part of those with whom they
dont agree.

Moral high ground won thro the simple expedient of inventing
an ad hom.

 

[Estrid]

A Darker Shade of Green: Environmentalism’s Origins in Eugenics
Population Council
"The time of vasectomy": how American foundations fueled a terrible atrocity in India
Maybe you could start by telling us your views on limiting human population, is that good or bad?

Wait-conservation is really just a cover for
"eugenics"?

 

[power1]

Consider places like Haiti or Central America with very high fertility rates and people trying to migrate away. It is the result of lust. Such high population growth resulted in poverty and suffering. I would not oppose the efforts of people to reduce lust and out of control birth rates by education, self control and birth control.

I would oppose war and murder as ways to reduce population.

How about the old and those not born yet, including those screened as having some disease?

 

[power1]

That is not an example

Says who? If people advocate reduction in population, what is that?

 

[Estrid]

Says who? If people advocate reduction in population, what is that?

Changing the story a bit? Thats not the original claim.

 

[o_mlly]

Funny, since a Catholic helped develop the pill.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rock_(scientist)

I don't care what method people use for birth control, but we need more of it to slow the rate of population growth.

And only one Catholic physician supported its use. The same one. From your citation: "In 1931, Rock was the only Catholic physician to sign a petition to legalize birth control."

My mother told me Catholics oppose artificial birth control as deprives babies the chance of being born.

Only those first conceived can be born. Birth control aims at preventing conception.

Officially the Catholic Church is against birth control. Some Catholics may dissent from this opinion.

No, the Church is not against birth control. It's always better to go to the source document rather than the commentary:

Neither the Church nor her doctrine is inconsistent when she considers it lawful for married people to take advantage of the infertile period but condemns as always unlawful the use of means which directly prevent conception ..." (ENCYCLICAL LETTER HUMANAE VITAE OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF PAUL VI).​

 

[power1]

They should not lead by example but stop suggesting or thinking murder is acceptable.

I agree. To promote and finance murder of people, born or unborn, of any race, sick or healthy, of whatever belief or religion is murder.

 

[power1]

My mother told me Catholics oppose artificial birth control as deprives babies the chance of being born. Haiti is an example of a population explosion. Charity workers are not safe there.

Point?

 

[power1]

And only one Catholic physician supported its use. The same one. From your citation: "In 1931, Rock was the only Catholic physician to sign a petition to legalize birth control."


Only those first conceived can be born. Birth control aims at preventing conception.

No, the Church is not against birth control. It's always better to go to the source document rather than the commentary:

Neither the Church nor her doctrine is inconsistent when she considers it lawful for married people to take advantage of the infertile period but condemns as always unlawful the use of means which directly prevent conception ..." (ENCYCLICAL LETTER HUMANAE VITAE OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF PAUL VI).​

I do not much care what 'the' church is against or for. It is not reasonable to deny that in society there are voices and a push to control population.

 

[power1]

So, the imperialists populated the island with slaves, imposed a
religion that makes population control a sin.
You are getting the idea.

God sends babies. They are a gift of God.

 

[power1]

I don't care what method people use for birth control, but we need more of it to slow the rate of population growth.

So how does that work, your life is fine and worthy and superior? The lives of (insert babies or whoever else might be on the hit list here) are unfit to be allowed life?

 

[Estrid]

God sends babies. They are a gift of God.

On a grant application, such would be stamped
"Unresponsive" then circular filed.

What you say may be true but it has nothing to do with
my post.

 

[power1]

On a grant application, such would be stamped
"Unresponsive" then circular filed.

Nevertheless God sends babies, they are His gift.

 

[Desk trauma]

So how does that work, your life is fine and worthy and superior? The lives of (insert babies or whoever else might be on the hit list here) are unfit to be allowed life?

What's with the presumption that wanting to actively end lives is included in saying human population is an issue?

 

[Albion]

There are people and organizations that promote reducing the human population. If people suggest human lives be taken, either old or babies or any age or class, how is it they think they are exempt themselves. Should they not lead by example if they insist in this wrong philosophy?

That's the nature of totalitarianism. Control the masses while the leaders live the high life.

None of those captains of industry, the billionaires who tell us what we should do and who control our elections by their financial contributions, abide by their own rules.

One of them recently flew the meat for a wedding dinner coast to coast so that he'd have just the taste he wanted. So much for emissions or the rest of that stuff. Another well-known advocate for climate control flew hundreds of thousands of miles on speaking tours touting the idea of everyone else cutting back using their lawnmowers or whatever. At least he had a mission.

Others just fly all over the globe for enjoyment. Now we're also seeing rockets and a handful of thrill-seekers being shot into space for 10 minutes or so just for the fun of it, and with no concern for the atmosphere.

If you want a third child, NO! Yet the same people who make all the noise about overpopulation (and have done so for at least the last fifty years) are working to flood the country with immigrants from other countries...because they need more laborers!