Cornell University - Vaccination not Preventing Infection

[whatbogsends]

This is only getting reported on far right sites, but instead of linking to far right sites reporting on it, i thought i'd link to the data directly.

Cornell had a vaccine mandate this year. 96% of the on-campus population of the university is fully vaccinated. The first week of classes this year had 322 confirmed Covid cases vs. 59 confirmed cases the first week of classes in 2020. More tests were administered in 2020 (28,951) than in 2021 (27,103)

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If 96% of the students are vaccinated (vs. 0% in 2020) and more testing was done (just by a little) in 2020, and vaccines greatly (this is what you folks keep telling me) reduce the rate of infection, how is it that there were more than 5x the number of cases in such a highly vaccinated population?

The numbers in the subsequent weeks after classes started were also higher in 2021 vs. 2020.

The data doesn't jive with the claims of vaccines being effective at preventing infection.

 

[stevil]

If 96% of the students are vaccinated (vs. 0% in 2020) and more testing was done (just by a little) in 2020, and vaccines greatly (this is what you folks keep telling me) reduce the rate of infection, how is it that there were more than 5x the number of cases in such a highly vaccinated population?

DELTA

 

[RaymondG]

Yes, we blame delta...

But also, I thought we have shifted from "vaccines can stop/slow infections," to "Vaccines can keep you out of the hospital." Either way, we will still have a "good" reason to bash our brothers and sisters who refuse to take the vaccine.

 

[whatbogsends]

DELTA

We can safely say that herd immunity from these vaccines is a myth with delta if we get 5x the infections in a 96% vaccinated population compared to an entirely unvaccinated population with the alpha variant.

Moreover, it's nonsensical to force vaccinations in the name of preventing the spread of Covid when extremely highly vaccinated populations spread the virus this much.

It doesn't mean they won't keep trying to (and succeeding) in coercing people to get vaccinated in the name of the public good, but the evidence is clear that it will neither end the pandemic or protect the most vulnerable.

 

[stevil]

Yes, we blame delta...

But also, I thought we have shifted from "vaccines can stop/slow infections," to "Vaccines can keep you out of the hospital." Either way, we will still have a "good" reason to bash our brothers and sisters who refuse to take the vaccine.

As far as I understand it.

A vaccinated person is 8 times less likely (than a person without immunity) to get infected and pass the disease on to others
A vaccinated person is 11 times less likely to require hospital treatment.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

lol yes Delta... but it is also worth noting when it comes to all the past rhetoric on getting vaccinated where being vaccinated is like a panacea etc.

 

[RaymondG]

As far as I understand it.

A vaccinated person is 8 times less likely (than a person without immunity) to get infected and pass the disease on to others
A vaccinated person is 11 times less likely to require hospital treatment.

I understand.... And even when this theory is proven wrong.....we will come out with more theories and stats that will allow us to continue to feel comfortable bashing our brothers and sisters who refuse to get vaccinated.

 

[stevil]

We can safely say that herd immunity from these vaccines is a myth with delta if we get 5x the infections in a 96% vaccinated population compared to an entirely unvaccinated population with the alpha variant.

The wildtype has an R0 of 3
The delta variant has an R0 of 6
What this means is that delta is exponentially more spreadable than the wildtype.
Wildtype - 3 to the power of 6 is 729
Delta - 6 to the power of 6 is 46,656

Moreover, it's nonsensical to force vaccinations in the name of preventing the spread of Covid when extremely highly vaccinated populations spread the virus this much.

The spread in a vaccinated population is much slower than in a non vaccinated population, this puts much less strain on the public health system and results is 11 times less people eventually going to hospitals.

It doesn't mean they won't keep trying to (and succeeding) in coercing people to get vaccinated in the name of the public good, but the evidence is clear that it will neither end the pandemic or protect the most vulnerable.

I have no idea why some people are so reluctant to get vaccinated. All the data points to them and society being much better off if they do get vaccinated.

 

[stevil]

I understand.... And even when this theory is proven wrong.....we will come out with more theories and stats that will allow us to continue to feel comfortable bashing our brothers and sisters who refuse to get vaccinated.

People that are refusing to get vaccinated (especially those who haven't already caught the disease) are putting others at risk and are overwhelming hospitals and are increasing the chances of more mutation.

 

[anna ~ grace]

I have no idea why some people are so reluctant to get vaccinated. All the data points to them and society being much better off if they do get vaccinated.

Statements like this? Maybe?

People are skeptical. The more hype some people see, the less interested they are. The media has had to walk back almost everything it has told us / assumed about the virus and the vaccines from day one. A lot of folks simply are not very interested in jumping on board with this.

Some are skeptical of how useful / necessary the vaccines are, some have religious or ethical concerns, some are creeped out by mandates and would like to not even step on the train. Others have had and recovered from covid, and don’t see a need. The reasons are diverse. They should be respected.

Let people make up their own minds about this.

 

[whatbogsends]

People that are refusing to get vaccinated (especially those who haven't already caught the disease) are putting others at risk and are overwhelming hospitals and are increasing the chances of more mutation.

People who are having heavy social contact are putting others at risk and are increasing the chances of mutation.

 

[stevil]

People who are having heavy social contact are putting others at risk and are increasing the chances of mutation.

sure.

 

[rambot]

Statements like this? Maybe?

People are skeptical. The more hype some people see, the less interested they are. The media has had to walk back almost everything it has told us / assumed about the virus and the vaccines from day one. A lot of folks simply are not very interested in jumping on board with this.

Some are skeptical of how useful / necessary the vaccines are, some have religious or ethical concerns, some are creeped out by mandates and would like to not even step on the train. Others have had and recovered from covid, and don’t see a need. The reasons are diverse. They should be respected.

Let people make up their own minds about this.

I think where I have a problem is the idea of "make up their own minds about this". If this was people making up their minds based on data that has been pretty robust for the last 8 months, then I'd understand that.

But as you yourself say, "make up their own minds" in FACT, looks like this:
"more hype some people see, the less interested they are"
"A lot of folks simply are not very interested in jumping on board with this."
"Some are skeptical of how useful / necessary the vaccines are"
"some have religious or ethical concerns"
"some are creeped out by mandates and would like to not even step on the train"

Again if they made their minds up based on data I'm all for it. But to question the data because of the reasons you gave is about opinion and it is BASED on other people's opinions online.

And no, I don't think that is a healthy intelligent way to make decisions.





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[stevil]

Statements like this? Maybe?

People are skeptical. The more hype some people see, the less interested they are. The media has had to walk back almost everything it has told us / assumed about the virus and the vaccines from day one. A lot of folks simply are not very interested in jumping on board with this.

Some are skeptical of how useful / necessary the vaccines are, some have religious or ethical concerns, some are creeped out by mandates and would like to not even step on the train. Others have had and recovered from covid, and don’t see a need. The reasons are diverse. They should be respected.

Let people make up their own minds about this.

The problem with the every man for himself (go it alone) approach is that it doesn't work for a pandemic.
Societies are much better off if they work together as a team in order to combat a pandemic.

 

[rambot]

This is only getting reported on far right sites, but instead of linking to far right sites reporting on it, i thought i'd link to the data directly.

Cornell had a vaccine mandate this year. 96% of the on-campus population of the university is fully vaccinated. The first week of classes this year had 322 confirmed Covid cases vs. 59 confirmed cases the first week of classes in 2020. More tests were administered in 2020 (28,951) than in 2021 (27,103)

2020

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2021

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COVID-19 Tracking Dashboard

Academic Calendar 2020-2021 | Cornell University Registrar

Academic Calendar 2021-2022 | Cornell University Registrar


If 96% of the students are vaccinated (vs. 0% in 2020) and more testing was done (just by a little) in 2020, and vaccines greatly (this is what you folks keep telling me) reduce the rate of infection, how is it that there were more than 5x the number of cases in such a highly vaccinated population?

The numbers in the subsequent weeks after classes started were also higher in 2021 vs. 2020.

The data doesn't jive with the claims of vaccines being effective at preventing infection.

I'm sorry that I can't quite make out all the information and how it's presented but this isn't comparing the data from Sept 2020 with data from Sept 2021 right?
Because that TRULY doesn't seem like an apt comparison.

Or is it comparing a 0% vaccination at Itheca in 2021 with a 96% vaccination at Cornell

 

[stevil]

But as you yourself say, "make up their own minds" in FACT, looks like this:
"more hype some people see, the less interested they are"
"A lot of folks simply are not very interested in jumping on board with this."
"some are creeped out by mandates and would like to not even step on the train"

These excuses reek of SPITE.
As if, yeah maybe it's all good for me and all good for society, but I don't like the way you are trying to convince me to take the vaccine so I'm not going to take it. So THERE!!!

 

[rambot]

These excuses reek of SPITE.
As if, yeah maybe it's all good for me and all good for society, but I don't like the way you are trying to convince me to take the vaccine so I'm not going to take it. So THERE!!!

100%

There is an absurd view of what "freedom" means to AMericans. I mean, it's been evidenced by TONNES of threads on here too. It's laughably juvenile and childish.

 

[Tanj]

The data doesn't jive with the claims of vaccines being effective at preventing infection.

Here's a graph of the infection numbers in NSW (a state of ~ 6 million people), with vaccination rates and the point at which the lockdown ended and the case numbers continued to fall.

Clearly the vaccine is very effective at preventing infection.

Ahh, cherry picked data, is there anything it cannot do?

 

[renniks]

And no, I don't think that is a healthy intelligent way to make decisions.

That's your choice also. See how that works,? You don't get to tell other people how to make their decisions.

 

[com7fy8]

If 96% of the students are vaccinated (vs. 0% in 2020) and more testing was done (just by a little) in 2020, and vaccines greatly (this is what you folks keep telling me) reduce the rate of infection, how is it that there were more than 5x the number of cases in such a highly vaccinated population?

I hope I'm not trying to tell you anything. But >

The vaccination does not stop infection. What it does, if it works, is to prepare the body's immune system so it is more ready to fight an infection.