Wisconsin Assembly bans mention of CRT in school, along with about 100 other things

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And where is it used?

See, that's where the defenders of it start their arguments. When examples start being pointed out, the defenders of CRT start denying that it even exists, and that the problem is with anyone who points it out.
Been down that road before.
 
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See, that's where the defenders of it start their arguments. When examples start being pointed out, the defenders of CRT start denying that it even exists, and that the problem is with anyone who points it out.
Been down that road before.
Have yourself a very pleasant evening.
 
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In other words, you want me to get CRT information from sites and people who are actually in favor of teaching CRT. Sorry, but no.

When I go to learn something the SAFEST ROUTE is to ignore 50% of the debate. I find I win 100% of the debates in which I simply operate from the position that the OTHER side is not even worth listening to let alone trying to understand their point of view.

100%
 
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In other words, you want me to get CRT information from sites and people who are actually in favor of teaching CRT. Sorry, but no.
I haven't laughed outloud for a while from anything on Christian forums but I'm still giggling away 20 seconds later.

We would want you to get information from people who have a good depth of understanding of the topic, the nuances of it, and perhaps who would be able to answer your questions and concerns based on the topic.

Why would you think you have a GOOD understanding of a topic by listening ONLY to the people who vehemently disagree with it?

I mean, it is a behaviour pattern with conservatives:

Climate Change: Fox News, Watts up with that? the other 2 climate scientists who have some minor skepticism around it and a dozen or so journalists.

CRT: Fox News, The Republic, Ben Shapiro


Seriously, if you only listen to people complaining about an idea why do you think you (or they) understand it?
 
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When I go to learn something the SAFEST ROUTE is to ignore 50% of the debate. I find I win 100% of the debates in which I simply operate from the position that the OTHER side is not even worth listening to let alone trying to understand their point of view.

100%
It doesn't even have to be 50% pacomascarot.....

It could be as little as 2%. BUT, if I agree with it, it's worth listening to.
 
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I haven't laughed outloud for a while from anything on Christian forums but I'm still giggling away 20 seconds later.

We would want you to get information from people who have a good depth of understanding of the topic, the nuances of it, and perhaps who would be able to answer your questions and concerns based on the topic.

Why would you think you have a GOOD understanding of a topic by listening ONLY to the people who vehemently disagree with it?

I mean, it is a behaviour pattern with conservatives:

Climate Change: Fox News, Watts up with that? the other 2 climate scientists who have some minor skepticism around it and a dozen or so journalists.

CRT: Fox News, The Republic, Ben Shapiro


Seriously, if you only listen to people complaining about an idea why do you think you (or they) understand it?

Then I guess I better read Mein Kampf before saying anything against Nazis.
 
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Then I guess I better read Mein Kampf before saying anything against Nazis.

It is never a bad idea to read what "nourishes" someone's side. Obviously in the case of Naziism and your trenchant parallel with CRT we know the horrors that both of these ideologies have wrought on the planet, but that doesn't mean reading what they think about themselves is a bad idea.

We must ensure that something like CRT never happens again!
 
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Then I guess I better read Mein Kampf before saying anything against Nazis.
You'll note I said "IDEA". And I said IDEA very purposefully.

But yeah, nothing wrong with reading nazi literature to try to understand their view better.


Of course CRT and Nazism are not exactly a good comparison to a reasonable person.
 
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OOoooohhh! Here I thought we were talking about Cathode Ray Tubes. I was all on board with denying students the right to learn about how hard it was for us in the past to move our computer around.

We need a forum rule that if you make the Cathode Ray Tube joke....you're banned for life.

I didn't think it was funny the first time, but it's comedy and the only way to learn is to try things out.

8 cathode ray tube jokes later and it's starting to feel like all these posters work together in the mail room of their office building.
 
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We need a forum rule that if you make the Cathode Ray Tube joke....you're banned for life.

I didn't think it was funny the first time, but it's comedy and the only way to learn is to try things out.

8 cathode ray tube jokes later and it's starting to feel like all these posters work together in the mail room of their office building.
They should be making jokes about Culturally Responsive Teaching, or Criterion Referenced Tests or Charitable Remainder Trusts
 
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When I go to learn something the SAFEST ROUTE is to ignore 50% of the debate.

That should be easy....CRT proponents don't debate. If they did, they wouldn't need to indoctrinate children.

Debate basically killed critical legal theory...and the people pushing CRT don't seem to be in a hurry to copy them.

CRT proponents speak about their worldview as if it were fact.
 
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We need a forum rule that if you make the Cathode Ray Tube joke....you're banned for life.

I didn't think it was funny the first time, but it's comedy and the only way to learn is to try things out.

Not unlike the manufactured outrage over Critical Race Theory that the Right wing flogs like a rotting horse corpse.
 
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That should be easy....CRT proponents don't debate. If they did, they wouldn't need to indoctrinate children.

This is really helpful to know. Now I know that among the folks like you teaching children of how our nation made mistakes is "indoctrination".

I take it you don't ever think back to errors you made in your life to help you become a better person.

Debate basically killed critical legal theory...and the people pushing CRT don't seem to be in a hurry to copy them.

Well, it would be a great idea if folks like you would actually learn what people are talking about with regards to CRT before you have life-threatening fits.

CRT proponents speak about their worldview as if it were fact.

Ummm, well, America DID enslave people for hundreds of years and when they stopped enslaving them directly they developed Jim Crow.

But I'm sure in your world those things didn't exist.
 
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Not unlike the manufactured outrage over Critical Race Theory that the Right wing flogs like a rotting horse corpse.

If it's fake....why not just let conservatives ban it? It won't really affect anything.
 
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If it's fake....why not just let conservatives ban it? It won't really affect anything.

Because you Conservatives are constantly belaboring things that really aren't a problem so you can score "Culture War" points. It gets boring.

Just like you are bored with CRT "jokes", many other people are bored with hearing your "views" on things.
 
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This is really helpful to know. Now I know that among the folks like you teaching children of how our nation made mistakes is "indoctrination".

That's not CRT.

I take it you don't ever think back to errors you made in your life to help you become a better person.

Nope. I was born perfect and never made any errors.


Well, it would be a great idea if folks like you would actually learn what people are talking about with regards to CRT before you have life-threatening fits.

I have.

Ummm, well, America DID enslave people for hundreds of years and when they stopped enslaving them directly they developed Jim Crow.

But I'm sure in your world those things didn't exist.

CRT isn't a history lesson.
 
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