God's unconditional promises to the ancient nation of Israel

[BNR32FAN]

Ruth was a Moabite, who was grafted into Israel through faith.
She married Boaz, who was the son of Rahab and grafted into Israel by faith.

What does the Olive Tree represent in Romans 11?
The answer is found in the "remnant" of Romans 11:5.

Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?




Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.


Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
Jas 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.



Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.

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Ruth also married Boaz, a Jew. Wouldn’t this also constitute her being grafted into Israel?

 

[Biblewriter]

Not to mention those particuar prophecies were fulfilled in the return from exile in Babylon, when the walls and temple were rebuilt and the people rededicated themselves to God with much joy in Nehemiah.

That prophecy was fulfilled in a remnant, just as the promise to Abraham (Romans 11:29) is now being fulfilled in a remnant (Romans 11:1-5), who are in the church.

Ezekiel 36:1-10 could not even possibly have been fulfilled in a remnant. For it explicitly says that "all the house of Israel, all of it," will again inhabit the "mountains of Israel," along with "the hills, the rivers, the valleys, the desolate wastes, and the cities that have been forsaken, which became plunder and mockery to the rest of the nations all around."

Ezekiel 37:21-25 says, "Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.
"David My servant shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd; they shall also walk in My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them. Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there, they, their children, and their children's children, forever; and My servant David shall be their prince forever.

As they have never had a king since they were carried away into Babylon, and as they ceased to dwell in the land after their return from Babylon, this prophecy was unquestionably not fulfilled at that time.

Ezekiel 47:13-20 has unquestionably never fulfilled, for it explicitly defined the future borders of the land. Yet it has never had these borders.

Ezekiel 48 has never been fulfilled, for it specifies which part of the PLOT OF REAL ESTATE defined in Ezekiel 47:13-20 will go to each of the twelve tribes of Israel, naming each of these twelve tribes.

These are just a few of the prophecies that were unquestionably not fulfilled in the return from Babylon.

And even the New Testament explicitly says that "the promises" still "pertain" to Paul's "countrymen according to the flesh, who are Israelites." (Romans 9:3-4) And that, these unbelieving Jews, though "Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable." (Romans 11:28-29)

 

[Clare73]

Ezekiel 36:1-10 could not even possibly have been fulfilled in a remnant. For it explicitly says that "all the house of Israel, all of it,"

That would be all the house of true Israel, for not all Israel is Israel (Romans 9:6-7).

God has permanently separated Abraham's descendants before between Israel and true Israel, in the descendants of Ishmael and Isaac, and again in the descendants of Esau and Jacob--both being a pattern of things to come in the NT, where he has likewise permanently separated believing Israel, the remnant, in whom the irrevocable call and gifts (Romans 11:29) are being fulfilled (Romans 11:1-5), and unbelieving Israel, who has been cut off (Romans 11:17-19), and whose destiny, IF (not "when") they do not persist in unbelief (Romans 11:23), is to be grafted back into the one olive tree of God's people, which goes all the way back to Abraham (Romans 11:16-17); i.e., the NT church, of both OT and NT saints (Hebrews 12:22-23).

 

[Biblewriter]

That would be all the house of true Israel, for not all Israel is Israel (Romans 9:6-7).

God has separated Abraham's descendants before between Israel and true Israel, in the descendants of Ishmael and Isaac, and again in the descendants of Esau and Jacob--both being a pattern of things to come in the NT, where he has likewise done it between believing Israel, the remnant, in whom the irrevocable call and gifts (Romans 11:29) are being fulfilled (Romans 11:1-5), and unbelieving Israel, who has been cut off (Romans 11:17-19), and whose destiny, IF (not "when") they do not persist in unbelief (Romans 11:23), is to be grafted back into the one olive tree of God's people, which goes all the way back to Abraham (Romans 11:16-17); i.e., the NT church, of both OT and NT saints (Hebrews 12:22-23).

But that "abid[ing] not in unbelief" is itself promised to Israel.


33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more." Jeremiah 31:33-34


3 And it shall come to pass that he who is left in Zion and remains in Jerusalem will be called holy--everyone who is recorded among the living in Jerusalem.
4 When the Lord has washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and purged the blood of Jerusalem from her midst, by the spirit of judgment and by the spirit of burning, Isaiah 4:3-4

10 "And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.
11 In that day there shall be a great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning at Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo.
12 And the land shall mourn, every family by itself: the family of the house of David by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself, and their wives by themselves;
13 the family of the house of Levi by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of Shimei by itself, and their wives by themselves;
14 all the families that remain, every family by itself, and their wives by themselves. Zechariah 12:10-14

 

[Clare73]

But that "abid[ing] not in unbelief" is itself promised to Israel.

And is being fulfilled in true Israel, the remnant of the last two millennia.

 

[Biblewriter]

And is being fulfilled in true Israel, the remnant of the last two millennia.

No, the promises apply AFTER Messiah returns, as is clearly taught in the last chapter of Isaiah.


15 For behold, the LORD will come with fire And with His chariots, like a whirlwind, To render His anger with fury, And His rebuke with flames of fire.
16 For by fire and by His sword The LORD will judge all flesh; And the slain of the LORD shall be many.
17 "Those who sanctify themselves and purify themselves, To go to the gardens After an idol in the midst, Eating swine's flesh and the abomination and the mouse, Shall be consumed together," says the LORD.
18 "For I know their works and their thoughts. It shall be that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come and see My glory.
19 I will set a sign among them; and those among them who escape I will send to the nations: to Tarshish and Pul and Lud, who draw the bow, and Tubal and Javan, to the coastlands afar off who have not heard My fame nor seen My glory. And they shall declare My glory among the Gentiles.
20 Then they shall bring all your brethren for an offering to the LORD out of all nations, on horses and in chariots and in litters, on mules and on camels, to My holy mountain Jerusalem," says the LORD, "as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD.
21 And I will also take some of them for priests and Levites," says the LORD. Isaiah 66:15-21

 

[Clare73]

No, the promises apply AFTER Messiah returns, as is clearly taught in the last chapter of Isaiah.

Which personal interpretation of that prophetic riddle (Numbers 12:8) is not in agreement with authoritative NT teaching.

 

[BABerean2]

Ruth also married Boaz, a Jew. Wouldn’t this also constitute her being grafted into Israel?

And Boaz was the son of Rahab the harlot (a Canaanite), also grafted into Israel by faith.


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[BABerean2]

Ezekiel 36:1-10 could not even possibly have been fulfilled in a remnant. For it explicitly says that "all the house of Israel, all of it," will again inhabit the "mountains of Israel," along with "the hills, the rivers, the valleys, the desolate wastes, and the cities that have been forsaken, which became plunder and mockery to the rest of the nations all around."

Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:


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[Biblewriter]

Which personal interpretation of that prophetic riddle (Numbers 12:8) is not in agreement with authoritative NT teaching.

This is NOT a "personal interpretation of prophetic riddle." It is what is plainly stated in a learly stated prophecy, made in plain, clear, wirds, not in a "riddle."

 

[Biblewriter]

Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:


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The scriptures could not be more plain in explicitly stating that, at the time these prophecies apply, the remnant of Israel that has survived to that time, will be both the entirety of that nation that is left, and will ALL both be back in the land and be converted to a true faith in their God.

So, although it will be only a remnant of Israel that is saved, yet that remnant will be "ALL Israel," as Romans 11:26 puts it, and "ALL the house of Israel, ALL of it," as Isaiah 36:10 puts it, and "they ALL shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them," as Jeremiah 31:34 puts it.

 

[Clare73]

This is NOT a "personal interpretation of prophetic riddle." It is what is plainly stated in a clearly stated prophecy, made in plain, clear, wirds, not in a "riddle."

Except God says he gives prophecy in riddles, and not clearly (Numbers 12:8). You are interpreting literally what is actually figurative.

 

[Biblewriter]

Except God says he gives prophecy in riddles, and not clearly (Numbers 12:8). You are interpreting literally what is actually figurative.

God most certainly never said that all the prophecies He gave were stated in riddles. MANY of the prophecies in the Bible are clearly stated in plain language. You PRETEND that it is all stated in riddles so you THINK you have an excuse for DENYING what God so plainly said.

 

[BABerean2]

The scriptures could not be more plain in explicitly stating that, at the time these prophecies apply, the remnant of Israel that has survived to that time, will be both the entirety of that nation that is left, and will ALL both be back in the land and be converted to a true faith in their God.

So, although it will be only a remnant of Israel that is saved, yet that remnant will be "ALL Israel," as Romans 11:26 puts it, and "ALL the house of Israel, ALL of it," as Isaiah 36:10 puts it, and "they ALL shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them," as Jeremiah 31:34 puts it.

You quoted only part of Romans 11:26, which is common among those attempting to make Dispensational Theology work.

Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?


Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:


The Greek word "houto" (English=so) in Romans 11:26 is an adverb of manner, instead of an adverb of timing.

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[Biblewriter]

You quoted only part of Romans 11:26, which is common among those attempting to make Dispensational Theology work.

Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?


Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:


The Greek word "houto" (English=so) in Romans 11:26 is an adverb of manner, instead of an adverb of timing.

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[Biblewriter]

You are willfully ignoring the fact that, just a few verses later. The Holy Spirit said, of the unbelieving Jews, that, “ Concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But concerning the election, they are beloved for the fathers sake. For the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable.”

And that, two chapters earlier, the same Holy Spirit had said that “the promises” still “pertain” to Paul’s “countrymen according to the flesh, who are Israelites.”

 

[BABerean2]

You are willfully ignoring the fact that, just a few verses later. The Holy Spirit said, of the unbelieving Jews, that, “ Concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But concerning the election, they are beloved for the fathers sake. For the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable.”

And that, two chapters earlier, the same Holy Spirit had said that “the promises” still “pertain” to Paul’s “countrymen according to the flesh, who are Israelites.”

You are attempting to ignore the fact that there are two separate sets of Israelites in Romans chapter 11. In Romans 11:1-5 we find the Baal worshipers and the faithful "remnant".

There are also two groups in Romans 11:28. There is a group of "they" who accept Christ and are the "election". There is another group of "they" who reject Christ and are the "enemies" of God and Christ, just like the Baal worshippers.


Rom 11:28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.


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[power1]

Here are just some pf the places where God EXPLICITLY and UNCONDITIONALLY promised the ancient nation of Israel that He would bring them back to their ancient homeland, and would bless them there.

Two things need to be noticed about these promises. One is that they involve absolutely ALL of that ancient nation, and that the promised return is promised to take place AFTER the Lord returns, not BEFORE He returns.

“For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God. I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. I will call for the grain and multiply it, and bring no famine upon you." ' " (Ezekiel 36:24-29)

He does that after they repent in the end.

This was not just implied a time or two, but was repeatedly and unconditionally promised, in plain, clear words, as we see in the following passages.

“ ‘I will gather the remnant of My flock out of all countries where I have driven them, and bring them back to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase. I will set up shepherds over them who will feed them; and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, nor shall they be lacking,’ says the LORD. ‘Behold, the days are coming,’ says the LORD, ‘That I will raise to David a Branch of righteousness; A King shall reign and prosper, And execute judgment and righteousness in the earth. In His days Judah will be saved, And Israel will dwell safely; Now this is His name by which He will be called: THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
“ ‘Therefore, behold, the days are coming,’ says the LORD, ‘that they shall no longer say, “As the LORD lives who brought up the children of Israel from the land of Egypt,” but, “As the LORD lives who brought up and led the descendants of the house of Israel from the north country and from all the countries where I had driven them.” And they shall dwell in their own land.’ ” (Jeremiah 23:3-8)

That will come true one day, It is not unconditional though, since they need to receive Jesus first. That is the condition. After they do, He does all that. Not today.
The rest of your post seems to be in the same vein.

 

[power1]

You are willfully ignoring the fact that, just a few verses later. The Holy Spirit said, of the unbelieving Jews, that, “ Concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But concerning the election, they are beloved for the fathers sake. For the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable.”

And that, two chapters earlier, the same Holy Spirit had said that “the promises” still “pertain” to Paul’s “countrymen according to the flesh, who are Israelites.”

The Messiah is the promise. He will save them when they repent. Not before.

 

[Guojing]

He does that after they repent in the end.
That will come true one day, It is not unconditional though, since they need to receive Jesus first. That is the condition. After they do, He does all that. Not today.
The rest of your post seems to be in the same vein.

So you also agree that there is a "future salvation" for the nation of Israel?