Scientist gives lecture on effects of Covid vaccine.

[Sabertooth]

In other news, I'm already fully vaccinated and did not grow an additional arm. So no issues.

I didn't find out that I was a carrier of Alpha-1 antitrypsin deficiency until I was 23 (when my second child was born). Nobody in mine or my wife's family knew before that. Fortunately, all of my vaccines were before 1979 [A-list]. (I didn't give them a second thought.)

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I didn't find out that I was a carrier of Alpha-1 antitrypsin deficiency until I was 23 (when my second child was born). Nobody in mine or my wife's family knew before that. Fortunately, all of my vaccines were before 1979 [A-list]. (I didn't give them a second thought.)

I read the following when I googled it.

Not sure how it applies to what I wrote, but ...

I noticed I was getting sick a lot until I took the two doses of the Moderna vaccine and get less and less sick from being around people as time passes. So I guess it wasn't saline solution.

 

[Sabertooth]

Not sure how it applies to what I wrote,...

A1ATD is asymptomatic in carriers, but can effect the threshold of liver sensitivity to drugs. Most drugs expect the liver to "take out the trash."
Our livers are generally strong enough, but can get overloaded faster than somebody without A1ATD.
A person with full-blown A1ATD is even more vulnerable in that regard. They are usually discovered shortly after birth.

A-list vaccines have not been a problem, so far.
mRNA vaccines might be okay, but haven't been (knowingly) tested on this condition (or immune dysregulation).

I noticed I was getting sick a lot until I took the two doses of the Moderna vaccine and get less and less sick from being around people as time passes. So I guess it wasn't saline solution.

Neither our condition nor yours warrant a blanket acceptance or rejection of mRNA vaccines. They just go to show that choice is still medically necessary.

 

[Jeshu]

I noticed I was getting sick a lot until I took the two doses of the Moderna vaccine and get less and less sick from being around people as time passes. So I guess it wasn't saline solution.

You are the second person i have heard say this. Isn't that strange?

i have also heard of a lot of people getting very sick after they took a Covid vaccine, and also of people dying.

i wonder how much human sacrifice it takes to make others feel better?

It almost seems like not everyone is getting the same ingredients.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Jeshu,

Do you consider information like this unreliable and part of the conspiracy?

newsGP - Unvaccinated patients dominate COVID deaths and ICU

 

[Sabertooth]

Jeshu,

Do you consider information like this unreliable and part of the conspiracy?

newsGP - Unvaccinated patients dominate COVID deaths and ICU

I find it contradictory to
Vaccination Status May Be Considered To Get ICU Beds At Dallas-Area Hospitals If Covid Spread Worsens
(That is, vaccinated patients will get preferential treatment over unvaxxed for ICU beds. This declares that the vaxxed are still having ICU-level cases...)

 

[Jeshu]

Jeshu,

Do you consider information like this unreliable and part of the conspiracy?

newsGP - Unvaccinated patients dominate COVID deaths and ICU

not sure what to think of that brother. i don't trust it.

For i have heard a group of nurses say that in Australia they let the unvaccinated die by putting them on ventilators and give the vaccinated ivermectin so they wont die.

She was a nurse speaking from a whole group of nurses resigning from the hospital they were working in in.

Such stories do have some cloud with me, as they are witnesses to what they have seen happening and the corporate media is doing everything to keep such people of the air. These nurses are out of a job, both vaccinated and unvaccinated. They had nothing to gain speaking up as they did. Yet they wanted to expose the truth of what had been going on behind the scenes.

 

[Jeshu]

Jeshu,

Do you consider information like this unreliable and part of the conspiracy?

newsGP - Unvaccinated patients dominate COVID deaths and ICU

i consider this to be more reliable information, but keep it open till i see more proof.
ATTORNEY THOMAS RENZ "We Got Them. Fact Check This!" ALL NEW WHISTLEBLOWER INFO

 

[Carl Emerson]

I find it contradictory to
Vaccination Status May Be Considered To Get ICU Beds At Dallas-Area Hospitals If Covid Spread Worsens
(That is, vaccinated patients will get preferential treatment over unvaxxed for ICU beds. This declares that the vaxxed are still having ICU-level cases...)

That is precisely what the article says - 2% of cases in ICU are un-vaccinated.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

For mRNA vaccines,

1. Is ethical ☑
2. Is safe (for our family immune condition) ☐
3. Is serviceably effective ☐

Even without consulting conspiratorial sources, mainstream media regularly contradicts itself on #3.
Having been a plaintiff in two previous vaccine injury cases, that kind of double-talk is not new (to us) and does not inspire confidence.
(Neither do brow-beating or name-calling...)

My only issue is that Moderna has like 3X more micrograms and delivers a larger dose than Pfizer. Moderna uses 100 vs Pfizer at 30 mcg...I would expect more breakthrough cases with pfizer.

Pfizer picked a COVID-19 vaccine dose far lower than Moderna's to minimize side effects, its top scientist says

 

[Sabertooth]

Moderna uses 100 vs Pfizer at 30 mcg...I would expect more breakthrough cases with pfizer.

Is that how the breakthrough cases are playing out?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Is that how the breakthrough cases are playing out?

I have read that a study found the number of breakthrough cases are 60% lower for Moderna than Pfizer. However, that does not mean that Pfizer does not offer protection. The study also found the rate at which unvaccinated people over 18 were hospitalized was 16X higher than vaccinated people.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

A1ATD is asymptomatic in carriers, but can effect the threshold of liver sensitivity to drugs. Most drugs expect the liver to "take out the trash."
Our livers are generally strong enough, but can get overloaded faster than somebody without A1ATD.
A person with full-blown A1ATD is even more vulnerable in that regard. They are usually discovered shortly after birth.

A-list vaccines have not been a problem, so far.
mRNA vaccines might be okay, but haven't been (knowingly) tested on this condition (or immune dysregulation).

I understand now. you were explaining you had a condition that makes it difficult for your body to process vaccines. Thanks for explaining.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

You are the second person i have heard say this. Isn't that strange?

i have also heard of a lot of people getting very sick after they took a Covid vaccine, and also of people dying.

i wonder how much human sacrifice it takes to make others feel better?

It almost seems like not everyone is getting the same ingredients.

Sure, there's symptoms the first day or so from the first and second dose, but that varies from person to person. The varying factor is the person.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

The first conspiracy theory is found in Genesis.

Listening to the snake resulted in humans leaving the garden of God, and also resulted in diminishing life spans leading to death.

Apologies if the way it is phrased causes me to disregard what you're saying, but nothing is new about it, and that kind of talk all comes from the same source.

 

[Sabertooth]

...you had a condition that makes it difficult for your body to process vaccines.

Thankfully, it is fine with the most common type.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Thankfully, it is fine with the most common type.

I heard vaccination of under 12s is a year off, so it might be even longer than that for one of the general vaccines.

 

[Sabertooth]

...so it might be even longer than that for one of the general vaccines.

I am not sure what you mean by "general vaccines."

We can take any vaccine that is processed using pre-1979 [A-list] methods (which is most of them). Rubella was changed in 1979 and some newer ones use a similar [B-list] cell base. Most of those have A-list versions available.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I am not sure what you mean by "general vaccines."

We can take any vaccine that is processed using pre-1979 [A-list] methods (which is most of them). Rubella was changed in 1979 and some newer ones use a similar [B-list] cell base. Most of those have A-list versions available.

General vaccines, the ones you're given when you're a child.
The A list and B List lingo doesn't make sense to me, so I simplified.

 

[Sabertooth]

The A list and B List lingo doesn't make sense to me, so I simplified.

A-list and B-list refer to the types of cells that a vaccine is cultured in, during their manufacturing process.

Our A-list:

• Bifidobacterium
• Cendehill
• CHO
• E-coli
• Egg
• Hamster
• Immunoglobulin
• insect
• MDCK
• plant
• Rabbit
• Vero
• Yeast

Our B-list:

• HEK-293
• MRC-5
• PER-C6
• RA 27/3
• WI-38

Valneva & Sinovac both use vero cells.
AZ uses HEK-293 & MRC-5.
J&J uses PER-C6.