Hand count in audit affirms Biden beat Trump, as Maricopa County said in November

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I don't think you understand the nature of the audit, it wasn't about counting the votes, it was about determining if the votes that were cast were legal. You can count illegal votes a hundred times and you are going to get about the same count all day long, it means nothing if they pulled votes out of their booties that weren't cast by actual legal voters. Currently, the only information out is based on 'leaks', which mean precisely nothing, or if it does mean something, it's that those that may or may not have cheated are getting out ahead of the result of the audit in order to claim the audit was the fraud, as opposed to the election.
Personally, I don't care one way or the other, our government has never been more corrupt then it is right now, and that corruption coming from both the right and the left. And this ought to concern us both equally, as a government that does evil in the eyes of the lord is ultimately slated for judgment, and it will not bode well for any of us if we don't end this corruption. I do personally think there was fraud, enough to change the outcome of the election, but not committed by democrats. I think it was committed by our CIA, Homeland and the NSA. But again, it doesn't matter, the depth the corruption goes is going to rain down fire on our nation and destroy both those that think the election was fair, along side those that think it was fraud, and both shall lose.
PS, closing with a reiteration. If you got 95 legal votes and 10 illegal votes, and I just got 100 legal votes, no matter how many times you count the votes, it's going to look like you won, even though you didn't.

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BIDEN WINS AGAIN!

I hear Pennsylvania and Wisconsin are next.
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Turn off the social media. Take a deep breath, pray/ meditate. Relax.

Biden won. Stop with the mass vote fraud conspiracy. Trump was so unpopular that a 78 year old Biden, quite possibly apart from Donald, one of the worst candidates won.(looking back at other candidates im prob wrong).

Im certain fraudulent votes were cast on all sides, but take a deep breath and relax.
 
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You didn’t answer my question. Instead you dumped a bunch of claims. One was the precinct in MI where over 100% of registered voters cast ballots. Trump won that precinct by 20%…… 5 to 3.

Now, can you answer my posted question?
Your forgetting if there is even one case of fraud the republican candidate wins!! After all as we know only democrats commit fraud!!
 
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The United States need significant investment in mental health supports.
Cognitive dissonance isn’t generally fatal to the sufferer, (but bystanders, watch out)!
 
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You know, I thought I'd had enough of Donald piling failure on top of failure by about January... but this just goes to show that it really never does get old...

And the failures just keep on coming!

Texas announces election audit in four counties after Trump demand

The Texas secretary of state's office announced Thursday it would carry out an election audit in four of the state's largest counties.

The announcement came just hours after former President Trump, who carried Texas, demanded Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) back a bill to launch an election audit in the Lone Star State.

“Despite my big win in Texas, I hear Texans want an election audit! You know your fellow Texans have big questions about the November 2020 Election,” Trump said.

If it goes anything like Arizona, maybe Donald can manage to flip Texas blue!
 
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I don't think you understand the nature of the audit, it wasn't about counting the votes, it was about determining if the votes that were cast were legal. You can count illegal votes a hundred times and you are going to get about the same count all day long, it means nothing if they pulled votes out of their booties that weren't cast by actual legal voters. Currently, the only information out is based on 'leaks', which mean precisely nothing, or if it does mean something, it's that those that may or may not have cheated are getting out ahead of the result of the audit in order to claim the audit was the fraud, as opposed to the election.
Personally, I don't care one way or the other, our government has never been more corrupt then it is right now, and that corruption coming from both the right and the left. And this ought to concern us both equally, as a government that does evil in the eyes of the lord is ultimately slated for judgment, and it will not bode well for any of us if we don't end this corruption. I do personally think there was fraud, enough to change the outcome of the election, but not committed by democrats. I think it was committed by our CIA, Homeland and the NSA. But again, it doesn't matter, the depth the corruption goes is going to rain down fire on our nation and destroy both those that think the election was fair, along side those that think it was fraud, and both shall lose.
PS, closing with a reiteration. If you got 95 legal votes and 10 illegal votes, and I just got 100 legal votes, no matter how many times you count the votes, it's going to look like you won, even though you didn't.

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BIDEN WINS AGAIN!

I hear Pennsylvania and Wisconsin are next.
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TX announced they are doing one because Trump asked them to. That's a lot of taxpayer money for a state the Trump won.
 
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I'm curious to know what you believe to be 'safeguards' that we could put in place that we don't already have in place. And please, don't bring up the signature verification process. The process currently in place has been in place for dozens of years, and as yet, there are no findings that over all those years there has been any fraud to amount to a hill of beans.



I'm just as curious to know 'what' changes have been made that invite fraud, and whether there is any proof that such changes actually 'allowed' fraud.

You and I, as I have mentioned earlier have been in discussion before. Sometimes on the same side and sometimes not, but you do have a tendency in a lot of your rebuttal posts to just make claims that you can't seem to support with any factual findings. You've just heard someone say...kind of like the 'former guy' always telling his true believers that "...a lot of people say." "There are people telling me..." But he never really identifies who any of those people are. It's just a phrase that he's learned makes a lot of his diehard fans repeat and repeat and repeat the claims, also without ever making any determination as to whether the claim is true or just bluster to bolster a position that can't be bolstered in any other way than to say that "There are people out there who say..."

I believe you to be a nice person with a reasonable intelligence, but I have to say that all of your posturing without evidence gets old. There have been some 60 legal cases brought by Trump and crew and every one of them has come to naught. Now I know that for his loyal co-conspirators, the claim is that the evidence was never even heard. That's true as to its not being heard by a jury, but often times a judge looks at what is claimed to be evidence and knows that it is prima facia false or untrustworthy.

For example: There was a claim that they had the testimony of someone who saw a truck being loaded with ballots to supposedly be taken out and burned. But there is no hard evidence that what the testimony says by some stranger who has no hand in the process, is actually true. And any evidence that the legal team presenting the case is able to bring forward is just hearsay verbal telling. There are no pictures that show the boxes are ballots. There are no pictures of following the same truck to the burn site and seeing the ballots burned. It's just a claim by someone who saw something that they thought was suspicious, but can't actually prove that what they think the alleged suspicious activity was about. On further examination it turns out that the person was right...except that the ballots in question were not actual ballots from the election, but rather practice ballots used to train the election staff as to how a ballot had to be filled out and how it would be handled, etc. So the judge has the authority, before trial, to discredit such evidence.

Most of the charges however have been outright 'proved' to be false and we're now finding some evidence, which will be investigated, that the Trump team knew all along that all these charges were false, but they had to keep the game going. Friend, this is a president of the United States that we're talking about here. A president involved in one of the largest election conspiracy theories to have ever been foisted upon a people. And every time that you put up such arguments against the facts, you're just feeding the ego of a man who honestly all of his life would stop at nothing...ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to win. There is no lie or dishonesty or cheat that he will not stoop to make himself a winner.

Come on. Do some digging. Look at the real actual evidence and not just consider that stories you've heard qualify as evidence. Be a man of God and seek for truth.

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If Trump runs in ‘24 he’ll win.
Then we’ll see the measure of the man!
 
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So is this why they’ve been stalling on releasing the results, because the results are SO BAD for their narrative?
No, it’s incompetence, they couldn’t produce the data, otherwise they’d’ve released it in August, the usual “below the radar” month to release “bad news” for one’s own side.
 
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Turn off the social media. Take a deep breath, pray/ meditate. Relax.

Biden won. Stop with the mass vote fraud conspiracy. Trump was so unpopular that a 78 year old Biden, quite possibly apart from Donald, one of the worst candidates won.(looking back at other candidates im prob wrong).

Im certain fraudulent votes were cast on all sides, but take a deep breath and relax.[/QUOTE]
Yes, Trump was so unpopular that he got 74 million votes, 83.7 percent of all the counties in the union, saw the greatest increase of minority votes since the early sixties, as well as winning every state that is usually indicative of victory. None of this is indicative of a lack of popularity, are you sure you aren't just taking your disdain for Trump, combined with the 95% control of all the news sources that tell us, 'orange man bad', and some how coming to the conclusion that a populist president was some how, unpopular?
I find it generally fairly indicative of the mind set of people I might debate with, when they skip over the content of what I say and leap to the conclusion there is something wrong with me, without ever addressing the premise of the arguments I make. Lets be clear here, a group of people that believe men can be women, science is a god, aborting babies is good, theft is okay, homo sexuality isn't a sin, and teaching children to hate their parents is justice, are more then capable of cheating. I would go so far as to say, it's the least of their sins. We were told, in the end times, the level of deception would be so great, that if it were at all possible, even the very elect could be deceived. Repetition has the people believing that heaven is hell, hell is heaven, and we are rapidly approaching a time where we the people will accept the most deplorable conditions, and be perfectly happy.
What comes next, and I fully believe we are witnessing this today, is the beast rising out of the sea, and the second beast, already in the earth, calling upon all people both great and small to receive a mark. It is very clear, by the actions in which we have witnessed since Biden took office, he is very much a part of this beast government that was prophesied. The fact that people aren't seeing this is a major source of frustration for me.
Let me be clear here, I am not a Trump supporter, though he did in four years show us it is indeed possible to take care of the people of this union without caving to corporate fascism. None the less, I have begun to see him as controlled opposition that keeps those that prefer the republic over the democracy in check, as I sincerely believe, if it weren't for Trump's influence, the right and center right would already be blowing stuff up. But you my brother, if I may call you that, I wonder how it is you can't see this lawless behavior of the left isn't just a violation of the law of the land, but an actual violation of the laws of God... After all, the prayer of the left was closed with the words, amen, and awomen. Hello?
 
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Biden “won” Maricopa county by 10,000 votes - the audit found 17,000 duplicate ballots, story below:

AUDIT RESULTS: 17,322 Duplicate Ballots Found in Maricopa, Totaling 34,448 "Votes"
I think you should listen to the video of the meeting. The Dr. clearly said the duplicates were images of envelopes.
Here's an explanation of why there is more than one image of some envelopes.

Jen Fifield
@JenAFifield

FYI, "Duplicate" envelopes - more than 1 image of the same envelope - exist, because the county sends the envelope back to the voter if it's blank to have them sign. The county doesn't report this because they only count the ballot in the envelope once they get a signature back.
https://twitter.com/jenafifield/status
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2:44 PM · Sep 24, 2021·Twitter Web App

In CO, if there is a problem with your signature being missing, doesn't look like the signature they have on file for you, they send you a letter or email giving you a chance to correct it or verify that it's your signature.
 
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I had to stop watching because while they confirmed that Biden won, now they are sowing seeds of doubt. They couldn't actually find that Trump actually won, so they are doing what they can to sow those seeds of doubt.

That is how I see it and will stick to that assessment.

I’m not sure that saying, (in effect), “Gee, those tricksie Hobbiteses Democrats have somehow ‘rigged-the-election’, but we’re too incompetent to find out how!”, is going to play in one’s favor?

It’ll take a powerful lot of anger to keep things ginned up after admitting that all of the major factors line up, just like the results and previous audits have said.

“Gee, maybe Biden did win!?”, (will never occur to them).
 
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I'd like to have this panel in the same room as the election officials and give the election officials the opportunity to answer to everything they have said.

don't worry Hank, the elections officials have already committed to answering every complaint that the audit brings up. The different paper thicknesses have already been explained. Ballots that were mailed to people were on different paper than ballots that were printed at the polling location or in the elections office as early ballots. Apparently the later ballots were merely printed on pretty standard paper that any office copier/printer uses.

God bless,
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If Trump runs in ‘24 he’ll win.
Then we’ll see the measure of the man!

Hi @Pommer

Well, I'd be careful making such a definitive claim, but you're free to call it as you see it. As for seeing the measure of the man, I think anyone would have to be stone blind to not have already seen that starting 40 years ago. But again, everyone is free to believe what their heart tells them is the truth.

God bless,
Ted
 
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don't worry Hank, the elections officials have already committed to answering every complaint that the audit brings up. The different paper thicknesses have already been explained. Ballots that were mailed to people were on different paper than ballots that were printed at the polling location or in the elections office as early ballots. Apparently the later ballots were merely printed on pretty standard paper that any office copier/printer uses.

God bless,
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I'd like them to meet in the public view. Live steam like they did today.
 
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