The Stance which will support the rise of the anti-Christ

[Justin-H.S.]

TL;DW ecumenism, one world religion, perrenialism.

 

[ArmyMatt]

Lord have mercy!

 

[dzheremi]

Lord have mercy! A common declaration with the leaders of Islam? Nope, I don't like that. And I don't know what was going on in the first clip beyond the narration (what this candle lighting ritual is actually for), but I don't like that either.

In keeping with seeing ecumenism as a total waste of time, though, I gotta say that it neither surprises nor grieves me beyond what is necessary to notice that things are getting worse in this regard. I mean, yes, it is sad for the rank and file (whether they get sucked into it or are scandalized by it, both are bad), but it's also expected in a certain regard, like noticing that of course the RC Pope is in favor of all of this stuff, and spearheading it in some ways. He, like much of his church (not all), is worldly and modernist. The Vatican has taught at least since the second Vatican Council in the 1960s that the Muslims are somehow together with Christians in adoring the one God. Such talk is absolutely anathema to my own Church, as I'm sure it is to yours (how can the Christ-deniers and God-mutilators of Muhammad be 'together' with those their god has told them are the sons of apes and pigs, and will be among the losers on the last day for their continued adherence to Christianity and disregard for Islam? So it doesn't even make sense in the other religion.)

Frankly, if anyone expected anything else from him, then it just shows that they probably haven't paid attention to the many other incidences of scandalous behavior and speech that have come from him. Similar things could be said about ecumenism more generally: as practiced like we see it above, it does nothing but damage people's faith in Christ all for the 'good' of God-denying pagans, and that should be expected because that's sort of all that ecumenism has ever done, because 99.9% of the time its advocates are mush-heads, so they come together to try to level everything or dumb everything down, rather than saying "This is the stance of my Church/communion; what is yours?" Informational dialogue beats the sort of ecumenism you see in the video every time, no matter what.

 

[Justin-H.S.]

Lord have mercy! A common declaration with the leaders of Islam? Nope, I don't like that. And I don't know what was going on in the first clip beyond the narration (what this candle lighting ritual is actually for), but I don't like that either.

In keeping with seeing ecumenism as a total waste of time, though, I gotta say that it neither surprises nor grieves me beyond what is necessary to notice that things are getting worse in this regard. I mean, yes, it is sad for the rank and file (whether they get sucked into it or are scandalized by it, both are bad), but it's also expected in a certain regard, like noticing that of course the RC Pope is in favor of all of this stuff, and spearheading it in some ways. He, like much of his church (not all), is worldly and modernist. The Vatican has taught at least since the second Vatican Council in the 1960s that the Muslims are somehow together with Christians in adoring the one God. Such talk is absolutely anathema to my own Church, as I'm sure it is to yours (how can the Christ-deniers and God-mutilators of Muhammad be 'together' with those their god has told them are the sons of apes and pigs, and will be among the losers on the last day for their continued adherence to Christianity and disregard for Islam? So it doesn't even make sense in the other religion.)

Frankly, if anyone expected anything else from him, then it just shows that they probably haven't paid attention to the many other incidences of scandalous behavior and speech that have come from him. Similar things could be said about ecumenism more generally: as practiced like we see it above, it does nothing but damage people's faith in Christ all for the 'good' of God-denying pagans, and that should be expected because that's sort of all that ecumenism has ever done, because 99.9% of the time its advocates are mush-heads, so they come together to try to level everything or dumb everything down, rather than saying "This is the stance of my Church/communion; what is yours?" Informational dialogue beats the sort of ecumenism you see in the video every time, no matter what.

I see ecumenism as a type of the many-headed beast in Apocalypse 13.

 

[Lukaris]

They will probably eventually have a singalong of that wretched, godless anthem: “Imagine” by John Lennon.

 

[buzuxi02]

Christianity is unsure of itself. Having hitched itself to the modern western nation state which promotes diversity of everything, human secularism and immorality. Christianity is a shadow of it's former self. Stands for nothing goes along with whatever fad the nation state promotes, adapts to secularism by embracing it's trends. One of those trends is ecumenism where dogmas are stupid legalisms, that belief in one true faith is backwards thinking, that an alliance of like-minded sects upholds a (mythical) universal divine virtue known as "unity". One only needs to listen to the crap the Ecumenical Patriarch spews in which the gospel has to do with spreading western style democracy and freedom of religion (regardless of the heresies they promote) and other bizarre concepts.

 

[The Liturgist]

Isn’t this exactly what Fr. Seraphim Rose warned us about in Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future?

By the way @Justin-H.S. , I was particularly disturbed by the first service, which looked like a Unitarian Universalist practice known as the Lighting of the Chalice. I would really like to know more about that event, and who all was “concelebrating”. I was distressed to see bishops in Byzantine and Armenian choir dress.

 

[The Liturgist]

They will probably eventually have a singalong of that wretched, godless anthem: “Imagine” by John Lennon.

Well, I have to confess I regard all Beatles music as wretched and godless; my view towards them is expressed by Sean Connery in Goldfinger, who likened drinking warm champagne and listening to the Beatles without ear muffs, as things which just aren’t done. That said, Imagine I recall reading was explicitly atheistic, it was supposed to be about a world without religion, right?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Christianity is unsure of itself. Having hitched itself to the modern western nation state which promotes diversity of everything, human secularism and immorality. Christianity is a shadow of it's former self. Stands for nothing goes along with whatever fad the nation state promotes, adapts to secularism by embracing it's trends. One of those trends is ecumenism where dogmas are stupid legalisms, that belief in one true faith is backwards thinking, that an alliance of like-minded sects upholds a (mythical) universal divine virtue known as "unity". One only needs to listen to the crap the Ecumenical Patriarch spews in which the gospel has to do with spreading western style democracy and freedom of religion (regardless of the heresies they promote) and other bizarre concepts.

This is nothing new my friend, we see glimpses of this already happening in the church in Revelation 2 and 3. It’s something the church has always battled against in my opinion.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Well, I have to confess I regard all Beatles music as wretched and godless; my view towards them is expressed by Sean Connery in Goldfinger, who likened drinking warm champagne and listening to the Beatles without ear muffs, as things which just aren’t done. That said, Imagine I recall reading was explicitly atheistic, it was supposed to be about a world without religion, right?

Yes according to Forest Gump I think you are correct. XD

 

[The Liturgist]

This is nothing new my friend, we see glimpses of this already happening in the church in Revelation 2 and 3. It’s something the church has always battled against in my opinion.

Respectfully, this discussion is in the context of Eastern Orthodoxy, and the Holy Orthodox Church has historically not had this problem. The issue of ecumenism in the Orthodox Church has been widely opposed, for example, by the members posting in this thread, for good reasons.

On that subject, I think the Church of Georgia under the leadership of His Holiness and Beatitude Catholicos Ilia II, who had previously been the co-President of the World Council of Churches, made the correct decision in leaving the World Council of Churches in 1997, given that the WCC has taken on an extremely liberal, ecumenist-syncretist stance, particularly its Faith and Order committee. My understanding is that the Orthodox churches which remain in the WCC do not participate in that committee, but that committee is nonetheless a part of the WCC, and has done some things with regards to worship concepts which are scandalous.

And speaking of scandals, I applaud that video for highlighting the dangerous syncretism of Pope Francis. Not only did he do that with a Muslim leader, but he and other bishops of the RCC apparently engaged in some indigenous non-Christian religious practices during the disastrous Amazonian synod. I think it would be completely appropriate for the Eastern Orthodox communion as a whole to suspend dialogue with the Roman Catholic church until Pope Francis resigns and a new Pope is elected who would explicitly repudiate the syncretic-ecumenist actions of Pope Francis and at the same time explicitly affirm the Holy Orthodox Church, and, I don’t know, maybe apologize for the uncanonical excommunication of the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople in 1054, and his peers, such as the Patriarch of Antioch, who was declared excommunicate and anathema in 1078, and also for the coercive elements of the Council of Florence, and for the appropriation of portions of the Orthodox Church via the Union of Brest and the political apparatus of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, which resulted in the Carpatho-Rusyn Orthodox Christians being forcibly united with the Roman church until the 20th century, when St. Alexis Toth of Wilkes-Barre lead many Ruthenian Greek Catholics into the Russian Orthodox Church* and later, many others joined the American Carpatho-Rusyn Orthodox Diocese under the omophorion of the Ecumenical Patriarch, and of course, we now also have the autocephalous Church of the Czech Lands and Slovakia.

*I am curious, given the very high concentration of OCA, ROCOR and MP Patriarchal Diocese churches in the area around Wilkes-Barre Pennsylvania, I have been given the impression that the Rusyn converts following St. Alexis Toth wound up in the Metropolia, which became the Orthodox Church of America, but I would think, based on the timeline of events, that some would have wound up in ROCOR and in the Patriarchal parishes? If I am mistaken, and the Rusyns who are not in ACROD are overwhelmingly in the OCA, just as the OCA inherited the Russian Orthodox parishes in Alaska more or less completely, I also want to know that. I myself joined the OCA just under a decade ago, although I have also always been particularly fond of ROCOR (I love all of the Orthodox churches, but some of them I feel a special affinity for, based on various reasons including, for instance, their approach to church music, liturgics, and so on).

 

[Lukaris]

Well, I have to confess I regard all Beatles music as wretched and godless; my view towards them is expressed by Sean Connery in Goldfinger, who likened drinking warm champagne and listening to the Beatles without ear muffs, as things which just aren’t done. That said, Imagine I recall reading was explicitly atheistic, it was supposed to be about a world without religion, right?

I just think the song has become an anthem of a false or outright anti Christian mindset. It has obviously moved further than how it was viewed since John Lennon lived and actually believe he was more dynamic than the stagnant mindset that idolizes his song

On another note, I think this false ecumenism is arrogance that denies or neglects hope for the salvation of anyone that is part of the Gospel message ( John 3:16-21, John 5:22-30, Romans 2 etc.).

 

[Chesterton]

Was it a millionaire who said "imagine no possessions"? - Elvis Costello

However, Lennon filed for divorce soon after, and married Ono that same year. The two bought seven apartments at one of the most expensive buildings in New York City, The Dakota, each having a refrigerated room for their collections of expensive fur coats, a house in Long Island, a farm in Pennsylvania, three cars, and had developed an expensive heroin addiction, according to Philip Norman's interviews for his novel, John Lennon: The Life. For a writer who claimed to "Imagine no possessions/ I wonder if you can/ No need for greed or hunger..." he sure exhibited hypocrisy through his lavish lifestyle.​

https://www.theodysseyonline.com/john-lennon-hypocrite

 

[Justin-H.S.]

Was it a millionaire who said "imagine no possessions"? - Elvis Costello

However, Lennon filed for divorce soon after, and married Ono that same year. The two bought seven apartments at one of the most expensive buildings in New York City, The Dakota, each having a refrigerated room for their collections of expensive fur coats, a house in Long Island, a farm in Pennsylvania, three cars, and had developed an expensive heroin addiction, according to Philip Norman's interviews for his novel, John Lennon: The Life. For a writer who claimed to "Imagine no possessions/ I wonder if you can/ No need for greed or hunger..." he sure exhibited hypocrisy through his lavish lifestyle.​

https://www.theodysseyonline.com/john-lennon-hypocrite

 

[Samizmoot]

I don't follow Fr. Peter, but this is an excellent example of something deeply problematic going on. It reminds me of the WCC offering milk and honey on an altar to the goddess Sophia at a woman's meeting - as well as the Amazon Synod over in Rome and the Assisi meetings.

I think the milk/honey incident caused the Georgian Church to leave the WCC, but what are we doing (as a Church) with that vile organization again?