MSN article claims America was better off under Trump than Biden

[BobRyan]

MSN posts Washington Examiner article that concludes this:

" he (Biden) has left the clear impression that he is in way over his head and that the United States was better under Trump than Biden"

US was better with President Trump than with President Biden (msn.com)

And we would expect a lot of Republicans to agree (but not all of course... I don't think "all" Republicans agree on any one thing very often).

My question is whether there are Democrat/democratic voters here that agree with that article.

It starts off like this:

"President Joe Biden was supposed to bring welcome change from Donald Trump. He was going to be the “nice guy” president. He was not going to lie. He was going to be competent and respected. Eight months into his presidency, he has not done any of these things"


[Staff Edit per member's request]

 

[Tom 1]

MSN posts Washington Examiner article that concludes this:

" he (Biden) has left the clear impression that he is in way over his head and that the United States was better under Trump than Biden"

US was better with President Trump than with President Biden (msn.com)

And we would expect a lot of Republicans to agree (but not all of course... I don't think "all" Republicans agree on any one thing very often).

My question is whether there are Democrat/democratic voters here that agree with that article.

It starts off like this:

"President Joe Biden was supposed to bring welcome change from Donald Trump. He was going to be the “nice guy” president. He was not going to lie. He was going to be competent and respected. Eight months into his presidency, he has not done any of these things"

Biden has failed to impress. He doesn’t seem to realise it either. It’s like he’s set on living out everything he wanted to do when he was VP and thinking about being prez, without realising the scenery has changed in the meantime.

Maybe he’ll lose control altogether. It can seem like there’s something going on in the US that is still a long way from playing itself out.

 

[pescador]

MSN posts Washington Examiner article that concludes this:

" he (Biden) has left the clear impression that he is in way over his head and that the United States was better under Trump than Biden"

US was better with President Trump than with President Biden (msn.com)

And we would expect a lot of Republicans to agree (but not all of course... I don't think "all" Republicans agree on any one thing very often).

My question is whether there are Democrat/democratic voters here that agree with that article.

It starts off like this:

"President Joe Biden was supposed to bring welcome change from Donald Trump. He was going to be the “nice guy” president. He was not going to lie. He was going to be competent and respected. Eight months into his presidency, he has not done any of these things"


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\What's your point? There are many sources of political opinion and their biases are obvious. The Washington Examiner's conservative editorial slant is well-known. It would be news if they actually wrote something positive about President Biden.

 

[BobRyan]

\What's your point? There are many sources of political opinion and their biases are obvious. .

My point was in the OP - I asked whether we had democratic voters here who voted for Biden yet agree with the article posted by MSN.

The Washington Examiner's conservative editorial slant is well-known .

And is it your view that MSN is an arm of the RNC or on a mission to promote RNC ideas??

 

[Sparagmos]

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MSN posts Washington Examiner article that concludes this:

" he (Biden) has left the clear impression that he is in way over his head and that the United States was better under Trump than Biden"

US was better with President Trump than with President Biden (msn.com)

And we would expect a lot of Republicans to agree (but not all of course... I don't think "all" Republicans agree on any one thing very often).

My question is whether there are Democrat/democratic voters here that agree with that article.

It starts off like this:

"President Joe Biden was supposed to bring welcome change from Donald Trump. He was going to be the “nice guy” president. He was not going to lie. He was going to be competent and respected. Eight months into his presidency, he has not done any of these things"


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My bar was set very low for Biden. In some areas, he’s done better than I expected but in no ways worse. I actually think the very difficult decision to mandate vaccines demonstrates real leadership. It will not make him more popular. It could lose him reelection. But it will save many lives. He really gains nothing politically from it, but it was the right thing to do.

Since this op-Ed was not written by a Democrat or someone who voted for Biden, it doesn’t mean much. He says "Joe Biden was supposed to bring welcome change from Donald Trump," but he never believed that. Why should we expect this conservative to give Biden any credit, he has consistently trashed everything to the left of the American center.

 

[pescador]

My point was in the OP - I asked whether we had democratic voters here who voted for Biden yet agree with the article posted by MSN.



And is it your view that MSN is an arm of the RNC or on a mission to promote RNC ideas??

Read post #5 (above). Sparagmos' answer is what I would also say.

 

[Yttrium]

I'm not a Democrat. I consider Trump to be outright harmful to the country. He has generated huge popularity for paranoia, conspiracy theories, and mistruths. And as he continues to linger in the spotlight, he continues to lure a sizable fraction of the country to his zany mentality.

I consider Biden to be a subpar president, but he's still way better than Trump.

 

[Tanj]

My point was in the OP - I asked whether we had democratic voters here who voted for Biden yet agree with the article posted by MSN.

Why does "who posted it" matter?

WaPo and NYT carry right wing/ Biden critical editorials all the time. Here's one from today..
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/09/21/biden-is-reeling-one-self-inflicted-crisis-next/

Any reasonable person agrees or disagrees with something based on its content, not on the name of the paper it appeared in.

 

[Albion]

It's nearly impossible to argue either that we're better off now than we were under Trump or even that the country is doing just about as well as it was.

But because there is a widespread acknowledgment among Biden voters that they'd have voted for almost anyone so long as it wasn't Trump, they got what they wanted, and this in turn means that how the country is faring these days isn't nearly as important to them.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

As a progressive but also registered Democrat, I think Biden is falling short in a lot of areas and I kind of expected him to. He's still not nearly as bad as Trump was - I doubt he'll ever be comparable to that level of failure.

But I think it's glaringly obvious that we're much better off under Biden than Trump, on pretty much every level.

 

[HARK!]

I don't trust MSN; as they have a Leftist bias.

MSN.com (MSN News)

 

[Der Alte]

I'm not a Democrat. I consider Trump to be outright harmful to the country. He has generated huge popularity for paranoia, conspiracy theories, and mistruths. And as he continues to linger in the spotlight, he continues to lure a sizable fraction of the country to his zany mentality.
I consider Biden to be a subpar president, but he's still way better than Trump.

How many 10s of 1000s of unvetted, unvaccinated illegals can this country absorb? I even read where one "immigrant" with his 10 year old bride was allowed entry.

 

[iluvatar5150]

MSN posts Washington Examiner article that concludes this:

" he (Biden) has left the clear impression that he is in way over his head and that the United States was better under Trump than Biden"

US was better with President Trump than with President Biden (msn.com)

And we would expect a lot of Republicans to agree (but not all of course... I don't think "all" Republicans agree on any one thing very often).

My question is whether there are Democrat/democratic voters here that agree with that article.

It starts off like this:

"President Joe Biden was supposed to bring welcome change from Donald Trump. He was going to be the “nice guy” president. He was not going to lie. He was going to be competent and respected. Eight months into his presidency, he has not done any of these things"


[Staff Edit per member's request]

Why does "who posted it" matter?

WaPo and NYT carry right wing/ Biden critical editorials all the time. Here's one from today..
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/09/21/biden-is-reeling-one-self-inflicted-crisis-next/

Any reasonable person agrees or disagrees with something based on its content, not on the name of the paper it appeared in.

The author of said piece is a right-wing hack (who only finished his undergrad last year), with a string of columns that are little more than simple-minded hit pieces like the one in the OP.
Christopher Tremoglie | Washington Examiner

Though, I think this one is my favorite:
Republicans could learn a lot from Kimberly Klacik

Kim Klacik is a former stripper who founded a non-profit that did nothing, and then launched a political campaign that did nothing except soak donors for money and then get soaked by her political consultants. She lost her election 2.5-to-1. In Baltimore City, where she focused much of her rhetoric, she lost nearly 8-to-1. The fundraiser this author is championing garnered a whopping 27 school uniforms. She's essentially "famous" for being famous, not because she actually accomplished anything. But yes, go ahead, Republicans, emulate her.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

I'm not a Democrat. I consider Trump to be outright harmful to the country. He has generated huge popularity for paranoia, conspiracy theories, and mistruths. And as he continues to linger in the spotlight, he continues to lure a sizable fraction of the country to his zany mentality.

I consider Biden to be a subpar president, but he's still way better than Trump.

That pretty well sums it up.

 

[Silverback]

Biden has failed to impress. He doesn’t seem to realise it either. It’s like he’s set on living out everything he wanted to do when he was VP and thinking about being prez, without realising the scenery has changed in the meantime.

Maybe he’ll lose control altogether. It can seem like there’s something going on in the US that is still a long way from playing itself out.

It's not to far away...it's called deficit spending, it's going to destroy the country. The other issue is the coming war with China...within 10 years.

If anything is a long way off (25 years or so) it's civil war, the drive for critical race theory, "whites are genetically predisposed to be racist", rewriting history, and insane demands for reparations will push the nation to unprecedented levels of violence.

Un-Checked deficit spending, followed by war with China, followed by Civil War...will Finnish us.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

\What's your point? There are many sources of political opinion and their biases are obvious. The Washington Examiner's conservative editorial slant is well-known. It would be news if they actually wrote something positive about President Biden.

The "point" is your thoughts on the article. The "point" is your opinion.

 

[DavidPT]

I'm not a Democrat. I consider Trump to be outright harmful to the country. He has generated huge popularity for paranoia, conspiracy theories, and mistruths. And as he continues to linger in the spotlight, he continues to lure a sizable fraction of the country to his zany mentality.

I consider Biden to be a subpar president, but he's still way better than Trump.

I think I would rather have Daffy Duck as a President rather than these two. Except Daffy Duck doesn't really exist. But neither does a real President exist these days either, apparently.

 

[Estrid]

It's not to far away...it's called deficit spending, it's going to destroy the country. The other issue is the coming war with China...within 10 years.

If anything is a long way off (25 years or so) it's civil war, the drive for critical race theory, "whites are genetically predisposed to be racist", rewriting history, and insane demands for reparations will push the nation to unprecedented levels of violence.

Un-Checked deficit spending, followed by war with China, followed by Civil War...will Finnish us.

Finnish, or finish? There's a profound difference.

 

[Pommer]

Why does "who posted it" matter?

WaPo and NYT carry right wing/ Biden critical editorials all the time. Here's one from today..
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/09/21/biden-is-reeling-one-self-inflicted-crisis-next/

Any reasonable person agrees or disagrees with something based on its content, not on the name of the paper it appeared in.

If one gets used to the “our side good, their side evil” news sites, it may not occur to one that “their” side’s media is more open minded.

Remember, Trump et. al. have taught them that “criticism=disloyalty”; that this was found on msn, (to <— mindset)=“trouble for Joe”, not just accountability.

 

[Pommer]

Finnish, or finish? There's a profound difference.

You really couldn’t infer which sb meant?