Idaho doctor reports a ‘20 times increase’ of cancer in vaccinated patients

[JustSomeBloke]

Idaho doctor reports a ‘20 times increase’ of cancer in vaccinated patients

From the article:

Much like HIV causes immune system disruption by suppressing CD4 “helper” cells, the same thing happens when CD8 “killer” cells are suppressed. In Dr. Cole’s expert view, this is what seems to be the case with the COVID-19 jabs.

Cole goes on to state that as a result of this vaccine-induced “killer T-cell” suppression, he is seeing an “uptick” of not only endometrial cancer, but also melanomas, as well as herpes, shingles, mono, and a “huge uptick” in HPV when “looking at the cervical biopsies of women.”

 

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[JustSomeBloke]

more fake news

Calling 'fake news' is considered to be trolling, and is banned on CF.

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[pitabread]

Has he published these results? Have they been reviewed by others to determine their veracity? Making random videos claiming things isn't how scientific data is published and examined.

Also, what is up with these questionable sources?

• We rate LifeSiteNews far right biased for story selection that always favors evangelical Christianity and Questionable based on the promotion of conspiracy theories, pseudoscience, and many failed fact checks

LifeSiteNews

 

[Taodeching]

It would nice if these anti vaxxers would find a non biased site.

 

[pitabread]

It would nice if these anti vaxxers would find a non biased site.

It should be published in an appropriate medical journal, not on some wingnut anti-vax site.

 

[JustSomeBloke]

Has he published these results? Have they been reviewed by others to determine their veracity? Making random videos claiming things isn't how scientific data is published and examined.

Also, what is up with these questionable sources?

• We rate LifeSiteNews far right biased for story selection that always favors evangelical Christianity and Questionable based on the promotion of conspiracy theories, pseudoscience, and many failed fact checks

LifeSiteNews

It would nice if these anti vaxxers would find a non biased site.

It should be published in an appropriate medical journal, not on some wingnut anti-vax site.

It would be nice if you did a little research online yourself first, instead of leaping straight in with a Genetic Logical Fallacy, and accusations of 'fake news'.

Cole goes on to state that as a result of this vaccine-induced “killer T-cell” suppression, he is seeing an “uptick” of not only endometrial cancer, but also melanomas, as well as herpes, shingles, mono, and a “huge uptick” in HPV when “looking at the cervical biopsies of women.”

It takes very little effort to find information that backs up some of the information above. For example, varicella zoster virus is also known as herpes and shingles:

Reactivation of Varicella Zoster Virus after Vaccination for SARS-CoV-2

 

[Goonie]

This thread belongs at beat in the conspiracy forum. Seriously 20 times increase in cancer less than a year after vaccinations were released?; This is nothing more than anti Vax conspiracy theory nonsense.

 

[pitabread]

It would be nice if you did a little research online yourself first, instead of leaping straight in with a Genetic Logical Fallacy, and accusations of 'fake news'.

For the record, I never claimed it was fake news. I'm just wondering why you continuously reference questionable sources for these particular articles.

It takes very little effort to find information that backs up some of the information above. For example, varicella zoster virus is also known as herpes and shingles:

Reactivation of Varicella Zoster Virus after Vaccination for SARS-CoV-2

Did you read that paper? What does it say?

 

[Taodeching]

This thread belongs at beat in the conspiracy forum. Seriously 20 times increase in cancer less than a year after vaccinations were released?; This is nothing more than anti Vax conspiracy theory nonsense.

Exactly. Anti-vax fantasy with no basis in the real world. These articles the anti-vax use are quite unethical

 

[BobRyan]

Idaho doctor reports a ‘20 times increase’ of cancer in vaccinated patients

From the article:

Much like HIV causes immune system disruption by suppressing CD4 “helper” cells, the same thing happens when CD8 “killer” cells are suppressed. In Dr. Cole’s expert view, this is what seems to be the case with the COVID-19 jabs.

Cole goes on to state that as a result of this vaccine-induced “killer T-cell” suppression, he is seeing an “uptick” of not only endometrial cancer, but also melanomas, as well as herpes, shingles, mono, and a “huge uptick” in HPV when “looking at the cervical biopsies of women.”

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"A team of scientists from the United States has recently compared the epitope-specific T cell response after natural severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection or vaccination in both naïve and previously infected individuals.

"The study reveals that mRNA-based coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccines are highly potent in inducing spike-specific T cell response in naïve individuals and triggering memory T cell response in COVID-19 recovered individuals. The study is currently available on the medRxiv* preprint server.

Do mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines induce memory T cell response similar to natural infection?
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How does "Idaho doctor" translate that into “killer T-cell” suppression??''


New study finds Pfizer vaccine has strong T-cell response to COVID-19 variants

Rapid and stable mobilization of CD8+ T cells by SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccine | Nature

 

[keith99]

It would be nice if you did a little research online yourself first, instead of leaping straight in with a Genetic Logical Fallacy, and accusations of 'fake news'.



It takes very little effort to find information that backs up some of the information above. For example, varicella zoster virus is also known as herpes and shingles:

Reactivation of Varicella Zoster Virus after Vaccination for SARS-CoV-2

A 'study' with 7 patients with a mean age of 77 years old.

The doctors who wrote the paper seemed to be ethical, they only called for taking a better look at things. Citing it here as if it actually shows anything worthy of making a conclusion is not.

 

[public hermit]

Why is this in the wrong forum?

Idaho doctor reports a ‘20 times increase’ of cancer in vaccinated patients

From the article:

Much like HIV causes immune system disruption by suppressing CD4 “helper” cells, the same thing happens when CD8 “killer” cells are suppressed. In Dr. Cole’s expert view, this is what seems to be the case with the COVID-19 jabs.

Cole goes on to state that as a result of this vaccine-induced “killer T-cell” suppression, he is seeing an “uptick” of not only endometrial cancer, but also melanomas, as well as herpes, shingles, mono, and a “huge uptick” in HPV when “looking at the cervical biopsies of women.”

The only side effect I've experienced is less patience with shenanigans and tomfoolery. But, happily, I'm getting better and decided I'd celebrate by commenting on this nonsense.

 

[JustSomeBloke]

This thread belongs at beat in the conspiracy forum. Seriously 20 times increase in cancer less than a year after vaccinations were released?; This is nothing more than anti Vax conspiracy theory nonsense.

I can appreciate that anyone who has been vaccinated will find this particular message highly alarming, but it doesn't automatically mean the message is wrong. And I've already provided some substantiation in the form of a journal article, so I'd appreciate it if you were to be more open-minded, and perform your own investigations, rather than flat out denial and shouting 'conspiracy theory'.

And although a 20 fold increase sounds awful, these particular medical complaints probably weren't highly common before covid vaccines, so it's bad news, but perhaps not terrible news.

For the record, I never claimed it was fake news.

You didn't, but someone else did.

I'm just wondering why you continuously reference questionable sources for these particular articles.

He's a professional pathologist. What more do you want?!!!!!!

And did you read that paper? What does it say?

Did you read it? What does it say?

I don't understand the furious denial of you and other pro-vaxxers. Have you had the vaccine yourself? Presumably if you don't believe any of this then it's of no consequence to you. Or do you think that any potential bad news about the vaccines should be totally suppressed, as would happen in a totalitarian regime, and as BigTech are currently trying to enforce?

The doctors who wrote the paper seemed to be ethical, they only called for taking a better look at things.

If they had said anything more forceful, then their manuscript would have probably not been published. That's just the way it is, so they have to self censor and self moderate.

 

[pitabread]

He's a professional pathologist. What more do you want?!!!!!!

Published data.

I watched the Twitter video that was linked. At no point did he reference any actual data. He just kept saying, "I'm seeing an increase in this, an increase in that."

Now he could be absolutely correct in what he is saying. But without any published data, we have no way of determining the veracity of his claims, nor determining if there are other correlations that could explain the data.

Did you read it? What does it say?

I don't understand the furious denial of you and other pro-vaxxers. Have you had the vaccine yourself? Presumably if you don't believe any of this then it's of no consequence to you. Or do you think that any potential bad news about the vaccines should be totally suppressed, as would happen in a totalitarian regime, and as BigTech are currently trying to enforce?

This is deflection.

Let's try this again. You linked to a study. Did you actually read it? What does that study say?

 

[hedrick]

Let's do a plausibility check. Since about half the population is vaccinated, this would correspond to a 10x increase in cancer in the population. That would be a bit hard to hide.

Second, the story gives all kinds of explanations, but no specifics on how he knows this. I assume his lab tests for cancer. Does he also check vaccination status on all people who have samples submitted? Would that be legal, since it's not needed for what he is asked to do?

Third, you normally expect numbers. Like in the last 6 months I've seen 200 cancers in vaccinated people and 20 in non. Of course that would need to be corrected for age, since 85% of older people are vaccinated in Idaho, and that's who typically gets cancer.

 

[Goonie]

Let's do a plausibility check. Since about half the population is vaccinated, this would correspond to a 10x increase in cancer in the population. That would be a bit hard to hide.

Second, the story gives all kinds of explanations, but no specifics on how he knows this. I assume his lab tests for cancer. Does he also check vaccination status on all people who have samples submitted? Would that be legal, since it's not needed for what he is asked to do?

Third, you normally expect numbers. Like in the last 6 months I've seen 200 cancers in vaccinated people and 20 in non. Of course that would need to be corrected for age, since 85% of older people are vaccinated in Idaho, and that's who typically gets cancer.

And your forgetting time frame. Vaccines have only been happening for less than a year, it is nonsense and I've reported this thread as wrong forum conspiracy theory nonsense.

 

[JustSomeBloke]

Wow! People really don't like this at all! Is it because there're vaccinated and feel angry and scared that trouble might be in the pipeline?

See, I've never had a single test or vaccine, so it doesn't bother me personally, although the thought of huge numbers of vaccinated people suffering in future is pretty awful.

From the article:
“I’m not exaggerating at all because I look at my numbers year over year, I’m like ‘Gosh, I’ve never seen this many endometrial cancers before’,” he continued.

I think that's fairly unambiguous. He's been doing this for years. He knows what is normal, and he's seen an uptick.

Again, I ask, why so much disbelief? Are people terrified it could be true? I'm starting to think that I'm seeing evidence of stages 1 and 2 of the grief flowchart (denial and anger)

 

[hedrick]

And your forgetting time frame. Vaccines have only been happening for less than a year, it is nonsense and I've reported this thread as wrong forum conspiracy theory nonsense.

I thought of that as well. Cancer normally develops over time. If vaccination caused it, it's a bit soon for the effects to show. If vaccinations we causing 20x increase now, just imagine in 5 years. Everyone is going to have cancer.

 

[pitabread]

I think that's fairly unambiguous. He's been doing this for years. He knows what is normal, and he's seen an uptick.

So where is the data?

Again, I ask, why so much disbelief? Are people terrified it could be true?

Asking to see the data is not disbelief or fear. It's just asking to see the data.

Where is the data?