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@KylieHas she elaborated on what the right way is,
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@KylieHas she elaborated on what the right way is,
My opinion > He started from "the same lump" (Romans 9:21) to make all humans. So, from the same basic stuff there are humans becoming "worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived" (2 Timothy 3:13), while others are growing in Jesus and how He has people loving.Then why would God not just create us better in the first place? And why couldn't God give us that understanding without putting us at risk of eternal damnation? And why are there people who say, "Yes, give me the evil so I can do this very important job which helps you make your point and helps you save more people," and why are these people who volunteer to do the dangerous and horrible work so others might escape it sent to damnation for it?
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Yes, but we can not please Him by staying the way we are; so we need how our Heavenly Father changes us to be like Jesus who is so pleasing.
For a Christian, "the right way" would mean like Jesus.
Now, we have ones who say we needed to have "free will", so we can choose to love God. But Jesus is perfect and incapable of sinning, yet quite able to love the way God wants.
So . . . then . . . why didn't our Heavenly Father start us all off like Jesus??
I think this could be what Kylie is asking, and she is welcome to speak for herself.
Sure, and He is vastly older than you or me, by many many orders of magnitude at least. He was already with God long before this world, Earth, came into existence, and probably before this universe also it seems, as from the wording we read: "He was with God in the beginning" is the wording. That seems to say He was already with God in the beginning, so older than this universe. Either way, we are so vastly younger in comparison.
I would have thought that for an omnipotent being, "as close as possible" would mean completely identical in every way.
My opinion > He started from "the same lump" (Romans 9:21) to make all humans. So, from the same basic stuff there are humans becoming "worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived" (2 Timothy 3:13), while others are growing in Jesus and how He has people loving.
They did not start better, because they did not first come from Jesus, then.
And I already offered that eternal damnation is a measure for controlling evil.
And when I said evil people volunteer to be sewer buckets of Satanic stuff like unforgiveness and lusts and worry and other degrading and cruel stuff, I meant volunteering in sort of a sarcastic way. Actually, they are stuck with their nasty stuff and weakness. And this is enforced by their pride which is so intimate with their unforgiveness and other degrading and anti-love things, so people are in denial and very stubbornly refusing to trust Jesus to free and correct them of their deep trouble.
But Jesus does call to "all" >
"'Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:28-29)
And, actually, they are not in danger of damnation; but they are already living in it. They have in themselves stuff which will be in hell; so they are already sampling. And, yes, Jesus died so we do not continue so, plus He calls to "all" to have rest with Him. And this rest is better than what any Star Wars god can give you, I will offer.
Oh? What makes you think so?Adam and Even might disagree with you.
Partly because humans did not start from Jesus. They started as perfectly created creatures, but they were not made from what has the character of Christ. So, they were perfect in form, but not in Christ's character which is incapable of evil.So, going off the way you've defined it, why didn't God make us like Jesus?
Partly because humans did not start from Jesus. They started as perfectly created creatures, but they were not made from what has the character of Christ. So, they were perfect in form, but not in Christ's character which is incapable of evil.
And I think we can see how humans have the ability of character to become "worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived" > 2 Timothy 3:13. It looks this way to me, anyway. But also, if we humans can change to worse, God is able to change us to become like Jesus, however much God knows this is possible.
And, going by Romans 9:21, I see how God has chosen to have certain humans be vessels for containing the evil things of "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience" > and I will offer, that this will not result in people becoming like Jesus.
"But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him." (1 Corinthians 6:17)
Anyone who is joined to Jesus can be effected by how Jesus is.
So, it has been God's plan, then, to have humans for different purposes . . . not for all to be like Jesus.