Why did God not start humans by making us like Jesus?

[com7fy8]

That's something that never made sense to me. God made us with flaws and demands that we change from the way he made us in order for him to be pleased.

It leaves me with many unanswered questions.

Why did God feel the need to make us in order for him to achieve pleasure? If it was that important, why didn't he make us the right way to begin with?

For a Christian, "the right way" would mean like Jesus.

Now, we have ones who say we needed to have "free will", so we can choose to love God. But Jesus is perfect and incapable of sinning, yet quite able to love the way God wants.

So . . . then . . . why didn't our Heavenly Father start us all off like Jesus??

I think this could be what Kylie is asking, and she is welcome to speak for herself.

 

[andreha]

For a Christian, "the right way" would mean like Jesus.

Now, we have ones who say we needed to have "free will", so we can choose to love God. But Jesus is perfect and incapable of sinning, yet quite able to love the way God wants.

So . . . then . . . why didn't our Heavenly Father start us all off like Jesus??

I think this could be what Kylie is asking, and she is welcome to speak for herself.

There's a good reason He made us this way. God, being Just and Loving and all powerful wouldn't have much reason to bless us for obedience if we were perfect. Since we are not, we can choose to follow Him in obedience, and He will justly reward us for that. And as we continue, He'll continue adding more to us. He loves us enough to seek reasons to justly bless us.

 

[Phronema]

He did really. Originally we were in perfect communion with God. He gave us the paradise that Adam, and Eve willingly through free will gave up by disobedience to God. The one thing they were told to stay away from, and they couldn't manage it. So, Christ made right what Adam made wrong, and Christ's Mother made right what Eve made wrong through obedience to God to birth Christ. Through the greatest act of humility ever known God gave his Son, and Christ gave Himself up as the God-man to bring us back into communion with Him.

The free will portion exists because God is love according to St. John in his Gospel, and a loving God wouldn't want to force us to love Him so we're given the choice to love Him, or not, and it's forever. We're given that option through Christ, His resurrection, and the precious Life-giving Cross.

 

[spiritfilledjm]

For a Christian, "the right way" would mean like Jesus.

Now, we have ones who say we needed to have "free will", so we can choose to love God. But Jesus is perfect and incapable of sinning, yet quite able to love the way God wants.

So . . . then . . . why didn't our Heavenly Father start us all off like Jesus??

I think this could be what Kylie is asking, and she is welcome to speak for herself.

He did...Adam and Eve were sinless and perfect until they were deceived and went against God's command. It was at that point that all of humanity became imperfect because of the sin that they committed. All humanity from their descendants had the knowledge of good and evil which was not meant for us to have. The only way God made us imperfect is that He gave us free will and that ended up being our undoing.

 

[TheWhat?]

You can't fly without the potential to fall

 

[Unqualified]

We can’t please God without faith’.

 

[Aussie Pete]

For a Christian, "the right way" would mean like Jesus.

Now, we have ones who say we needed to have "free will", so we can choose to love God. But Jesus is perfect and incapable of sinning, yet quite able to love the way God wants.

So . . . then . . . why didn't our Heavenly Father start us all off like Jesus??

I think this could be what Kylie is asking, and she is welcome to speak for herself.

I suggest that it's more important to deal with the way things are than speculate about God's motives. When I wrestled with similar issues decades ago, I came to a simple conclusion. God is good. He knows what He is doing. God is love. He wants the best for His creation. One day all will be clear.

 

[Kylie]

For a Christian, "the right way" would mean like Jesus.

Now, we have ones who say we needed to have "free will", so we can choose to love God. But Jesus is perfect and incapable of sinning, yet quite able to love the way God wants.

So . . . then . . . why didn't our Heavenly Father start us all off like Jesus??

I think this could be what Kylie is asking, and she is welcome to speak for herself.

Yeah, that's pretty close to what I was asking about.

 

[BNR32FAN]

He did...Adam and Eve were sinless and perfect until they were deceived and went against God's command. It was at that point that all of humanity became imperfect because of the sin that they committed. All humanity from their descendants had the knowledge of good and evil which was not meant for us to have. The only way God made us imperfect is that He gave us free will and that ended up being our undoing.

Bless you brother but I politely disagree since if they were made perfect then they wouldn’t have fallen to sin. Adam and Eve were created with the ability to sin from the beginning. Every person is sinless until they sin even after the fall of Adam & Eve.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I suggest that it's more important to deal with the way things are than speculate about God's motives. When I wrestled with similar issues decades ago, I came to a simple conclusion. God is good. He knows what He is doing. God is love. He wants the best for His creation. One day all will be clear.

Amen that’s the same answer I was thinking. It is a perplexing question but we have to understand that God knows what is best so whatever decision He made about how things are to be He made for a reason. Sometimes the best answer is, I don’t know.

 

[Unqualified]

Bless you brother but I politely disagree since if they were made perfect then they wouldn’t have fallen to sin. Adam and Eve were created with the ability to sin from the beginning. Every person is sinless until they sin even after the fall of Adam & Eve.

They were made perfect, the Bible says so, perfectly human with free will. Gods creations. Jesus had free will but He chose not to sin. He learned obedience from the things He suffered’. It was a perfect world too before sin entered in. If Jesus was perfect He wouldn’t have died not true.

 

[Halbhh]

Adam, and Eve willingly through free will gave up by disobedience to God. The one thing they were told to stay away from, and they couldn't manage it.

I think it helps a lot to point out Adam and Eve did not only disobey, but something so much more damaging than just a moment of disobeying. They distrusted God. Faith is trust. They broke faith, in that moment.

 

[spiritfilledjm]

Bless you brother but I politely disagree since if they were made perfect then they wouldn’t have fallen to sin. Adam and Eve were created with the ability to sin from the beginning. Every person is sinless until they sin even after the fall of Adam & Eve.

Thanks! Bless you too, my friend. However, I will have to also politely disagree with your disagreement and point you towards an article that can explain much better than I can and point you towards the same scripture I would about being born into sin.

What Is the Biblical Evidence for Original Sin?

 

[Kylie]

They were made perfect, the Bible says so, perfectly human with free will.

If they were made perfect and still sinned, then doesn't this mean that God made them so they would sin?

 

[Halbhh]

If they were made perfect and still sinned, then doesn't this mean that God made them so they would sin?

It's simply what is possible with freedom of thought/choice/action.

Sooner or later most of us, the young and inexperienced, have to make serious mistakes in order to learn better. Even for big lessons like trusting God.

 

[Phronema]

I think it helps a lot to point out Adam and Eve did not only disobey, but something so much more damaging than just a moment of disobeying. They distrusted God. Faith is trust. They broke faith, in that moment.

I'd agree that they distrusted God. Disobedience to me is worse as it's born of pride, and pride is the root of all sin, and even suggests that one knows more than God who is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent.

 

[d taylor]

For a Christian, "the right way" would mean like Jesus.

Now, we have ones who say we needed to have "free will", so we can choose to love God. But Jesus is perfect and incapable of sinning, yet quite able to love the way God wants.

So . . . then . . . why didn't our Heavenly Father start us all off like Jesus??

I think this could be what Kylie is asking, and she is welcome to speak for herself.

So God should have made everyone a God

 

[Halbhh]

I'd agree that they distrusted God. Disobedience to me is worse as it's born of pride, and pride is the root of all sin, and even suggests that one knows more than God who is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent.

Ok, that's another way of saying it! If a person has pride that they know more than God, as it were, that's trusting themselves above God. Although I feel here they may have just actually believed God had an ill motive(!), if you consider they might have believed the insinuation (that God was wrongly withholding something good for them that they were ready for) that the serpent said, and even the direct suggesting that God lied as the serpent implied:

3 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
[Is God irrational or petty rule making, making mistaken rules?]

2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”

4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman.
[i.e. God didn't tell you the truth]

5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
[and He wants to wrongly withhold from you a good thing you are ready for]

6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it.

[So, the Serpent made a clever series of dishonest insinuations, and tempted Eve to believe God was basically in the wrong, not a good Person. These were temptations we'd perhaps come to on our own, eventually, given enough time, perhaps though it might take thousands of years.... So, the serpent is like an accelerator for us, to push us to make our mistakes sooner, instead of it taking millennia.]

 

[Blade]

For a Christian, "the right way" would mean like Jesus.

Now, we have ones who say we needed to have "free will", so we can choose to love God. But Jesus is perfect and incapable of sinning, yet quite able to love the way God wants.

So . . . then . . . why didn't our Heavenly Father start us all off like Jesus??

I think this could be what Kylie is asking, and she is welcome to speak for herself.

Forgive me I don't think you.. well what happened at the "start" of all this? How was Adam Eve made? There was not sin no evil nothing. God made us not like the angels that were created but made us in His image that is not a mirror copy. You were created in GODS image.. what better then that?

Then the fall then sin and blah blah POOF here we are today. We know how this ends.. we WILL see Him as He is and be like Him praise GOD GLORY GLOLRY GLORY holy holy holy..

 

[Kylie]

It's simply what is possible with freedom of thought/choice/action.

Sooner or later most of us, the young and inexperienced, have to make serious mistakes in order to learn better. Even for big lessons like trusting God.

Did Jesus have freedom of thought/choice/action?