Could this be a better explaination of how life really started?

[Tolworth John]

Inexplicable supernatural entities are so last aeon...

So you are unaware of the scientific theory called the heat death.
Basically it says that one day every fussable mater will have been used up and the stars will go out leaving a cold sterile empty universe.

If mattter has always existed then this will have already happened, unless the universe is not old but is young.

 

[jacknife]

So you are unaware of the scientific theory called the heat death.
Basically it says that one day every fussable mater will have been used up and the stars will go out leaving a cold sterile empty universe.

If mattter has always existed then this will have already happened, unless the universe is not old but is young.

Heath death isn't a theory it's a hypothesis about the ultimate fate of the universe. Also since the universe is still expanding it's hasn't/maybe will not. Reach the state heath death talks about.

 

[Tolworth John]

Heath death isn't a theory it's a hypothesis about the ultimate fate of the universe. Also since the universe is still expanding it's hasn't/maybe will not. Reach the state heath death talks about.

Heath death isn't a theory it's a hypothesis about the ultimate fate of the universe. Also since the universe is still expanding it's hasn't/maybe will not. Reach the state heath death talks about.

Yes and it supposes that one day there will be nothing, just as the big bang theory proposes that at one time the universe did not exists, something that your suggest that matter has always existed would be false.

 

[jacknife]

Yes and it supposes that one day there will be nothing, just as the big bang theory proposes that at one time the universe did not exists, something that your suggest that matter has always existed would be false.

No it doesn't it proposes that one day there won't be enough energy to carry on thermodynamic activity basically creating a universe we're everything is "dead" it's also very unproven.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

So you are unaware of the scientific theory called the heat death.
Basically it says that one day every fussable mater will have been used up and the stars will go out leaving a cold sterile empty universe.

If mattter has always existed then this will have already happened, unless the universe is not old but is young.

I'm well aware of heat-death. But it's no longer considered the 'final word' - there are many cosmological theories of universe life-cycles that allow heat-death within an eternal cycle, some of which I've already described in these forums, Penrose's Conformal Cyclic Cosmology and Guth's eternal inflation model among them.

For a very readable treatment of time in cosmology and the various cosmological models, I recommend Sean Carroll's "From Eternity to Here".

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Yes and it supposes that one day there will be nothing, just as the big bang theory proposes that at one time the universe did not exists, something that your suggest that matter has always existed would be false.

No, the big bang theory says only that the universe as we know it emerged from a very hot dense state. - very much not nothing.

Heat-death doesn't mean that "one day there will be nothing", it means that one day there will be nothing interesting. There will still be the same amount of energy around as today but distributed uniformly, and there will still be spacetime with its quantum fields.

 

[The happy Objectivist]

We all know we have souls, but if it`s just created by nature itself, how can we really feel anything and experience anything? I mean, if it just were a shell that ar programmed to certain things, we still wouldn`t feel real or experience pain for example, so how can we be real like that? I think, eveything in the universe consists of pure energy, right, and planets and stuff wre made of this same material that is everwhere around us, energy, so when life was created, it had to start with a will sort of, something that pushed and made a consciousness happen, if there wasn`t a will doing it, how could it have happen? Exactly, I think this magical material we call energy is way more complex than we know, first it created suns and planets, then life itself, souls in a body, I made the point some time ago that god doesn`t exist because there`s no way you can make anything in nature and then hide yourself as a maker 100 %, there`s always gonna be a signature sort of that`s you, so in my opinion then there`s no god, but the problem still exists, how can life have been created, there must have been something pushing it, something that knew how to for example, take organic material and break it down and then put it together to make a body with a soul, so I think this energy which are all around us is more complex than we think and have a finger in it all, which brings me to the next point, I think there`s no way to live forever because the cells in your soul get`s older and deteriorate over time and loses it`s connection to eachothers, the normal opinion sort of is that the body ages, but I personally think it`s the other way around, that the soul ages, which again makes it impossible to live forever because even if you took all the cells in the soul and replaced it, it wouldn`t be you anymore, what`s your though on the subject?

So are you saying that consciousness is not natural because that would be absurd on it's face?