Could this be a better explaination of how life really started?

[Skreiaberg]

We all know we have souls, but if it`s just created by nature itself, how can we really feel anything and experience anything? I mean, if it just were a shell that ar programmed to certain things, we still wouldn`t feel real or experience pain for example, so how can we be real like that? I think, eveything in the universe consists of pure energy, right, and planets and stuff wre made of this same material that is everwhere around us, energy, so when life was created, it had to start with a will sort of, something that pushed and made a consciousness happen, if there wasn`t a will doing it, how could it have happen? Exactly, I think this magical material we call energy is way more complex than we know, first it created suns and planets, then life itself, souls in a body, I made the point some time ago that god doesn`t exist because there`s no way you can make anything in nature and then hide yourself as a maker 100 %, there`s always gonna be a signature sort of that`s you, so in my opinion then there`s no god, but the problem still exists, how can life have been created, there must have been something pushing it, something that knew how to for example, take organic material and break it down and then put it together to make a body with a soul, so I think this energy which are all around us is more complex than we think and have a finger in it all, which brings me to the next point, I think there`s no way to live forever because the cells in your soul get`s older and deteriorate over time and loses it`s connection to eachothers, the normal opinion sort of is that the body ages, but I personally think it`s the other way around, that the soul ages, which again makes it impossible to live forever because even if you took all the cells in the soul and replaced it, it wouldn`t be you anymore, what`s your though on the subject?

 

[d taylor]

Better than what, The Bible, if so no.

The Bible has the absolute best, accurate and truthful account, the only topping of The Bibles account, would be Jesus amplifying The Bibles account.

 

[.Jeremiah.]

I definitely don’t believe in the Bible creation story in a literal sense, since it’s totally illogical.
Anyway, an infinite God of spirit is not going to speak to us in such primitive ways. There must be something deeper to the message.
I liked your part about energy.
I think that everything in the universe is energy.
I think that energy is created from love. (I know, weird huh?)
Anyway, people evolved from whatever, chimps? Or bears? Or whatever.
But then the Lord infused the earliest people with his spirit, which gave these “new” creatures a will and an intellect, completely unlike any of the trillions of previous life forms.
The Lord did all this for a reason.
The reason is for each of us to choose Him and then become human.
Unless we do that we’re still nothing but animals.
Look at the disgusting, horrible things many people do.
They are often referred to as animals.

Just my rambling. Don’t get too excited about it. Just like to throw stuff out there to ponder.

 

[Mark Quayle]

I think that energy is created from love. (I know, weird huh?)

That is pretty much like my favorite speculation on cosmology, physics and, indeed, reality itself. I like to think that the smallest particle, or building block or substance, force or whatever else things are made of, may very well be a very physical thing we might call God's love. It would explain an awful lot of things, including his governance of all things, his intimate interest in all things, and how the perversion of good is such an offense against him. It also would give a strong hint as to HOW he created.

 

[SkyWriting]

We all know we have souls, but if it`s just created by nature itself, how can we really feel anything and experience anything? I mean, if it just were a shell that ar programmed to certain things, we still wouldn`t feel real or experience pain for example, so how can we be real like that? I think, eveything in the universe consists of pure energy, right, and planets and stuff wre made of this same material that is everwhere around us, energy, so when life was created, it had to start with a will sort of, something that pushed and made a consciousness happen, if there wasn`t a will doing it, how could it have happen? Exactly, I think this magical material we call energy is way more complex than we know, first it created suns and planets, then life itself, souls in a body, I made the point some time ago that god doesn`t exist because there`s no way you can make anything in nature and then hide yourself as a maker 100 %, there`s always gonna be a signature sort of that`s you, so in my opinion then there`s no god, but the problem still exists, how can life have been created, there must have been something pushing it, something that knew how to for example, take organic material and break it down and then put it together to make a body with a soul, so I think this energy which are all around us is more complex than we think and have a finger in it all, which brings me to the next point, I think there`s no way to live forever because the cells in your soul get`s older and deteriorate over time and loses it`s connection to eachothers, the normal opinion sort of is that the body ages, but I personally think it`s the other way around, that the soul ages, which again makes it impossible to live forever because even if you took all the cells in the soul and replaced it, it wouldn`t be you anymore, what`s your though on the subject?

Energy tends to move to be less and less useful on its own.
This scientifically proves that God exists if you see anything useful or orderly anywhere.
Your thoughts had to appear for some reason, right?

 

[Tolworth John]

so in my opinion then there`s no god

So why is there anything at all?

Why is there space, time, energy, matter, laws that control how all these interact etc etc?

You want a simple explanation.
In the begining God created space, energy, matter, time and the laws that controll how they interact.
God organised stars, planets, orbits etc and on earth he created life, plant, bird and animal life.
He also created man.

Your problem is too explain how space, energy, matter, time and laws came into being?

 

[tas8831]

We all know we have souls

I don't know that.

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

We all know we have souls,

We absolutely DO NOT know this. There is no evidence of a "soul." Everything about our experience as humans seems to be inextricably tied to the brain.

but if it`s just created by nature itself, how can we really feel anything and experience anything? I mean, if it just were a shell that ar programmed to certain things, we still wouldn`t feel real or experience pain for example, so how can we be real like that? I think, eveything in the universe consists of pure energy, right, and planets and stuff wre made of this same material that is everwhere around us, energy, so when life was created, it had to start with a will sort of, something that pushed and made a consciousness happen, if there wasn`t a will doing it, how could it have happen?

Consciousness seems to be an emergent property of the brain. The mind is what the brain does. There is no evidence of a mind or consciousness without a brain.

Exactly, I think this magical material we call energy is way more complex than we know, first it created suns and planets, then life itself, souls in a body, I made the point some time ago that god doesn`t exist because there`s no way you can make anything in nature and then hide yourself as a maker 100 %, there`s always gonna be a signature sort of that`s you, so in my opinion then there`s no god, but the problem still exists, how can life have been created, there must have been something pushing it, something that knew how to for example, take organic material and break it down and then put it together to make a body with a soul, so I think this energy which are all around us is more complex than we think and have a finger in it all, which brings me to the next point, I think there`s no way to live forever because the cells in your soul get`s older and deteriorate over time and loses it`s connection to eachothers, the normal opinion sort of is that the body ages, but I personally think it`s the other way around, that the soul ages, which again makes it impossible to live forever because even if you took all the cells in the soul and replaced it, it wouldn`t be you anymore, what`s your though on the subject?

Cells in the soul? Hmmm. Evidence needed. A lot of it.

 

[NxNW]

We all know we have souls

We do?

 

[jacknife]

We all know we have souls, but if it`s just created by nature itself, how can we really feel anything and experience anything? I mean, if it just were a shell that ar programmed to certain things, we still wouldn`t feel real or experience pain for example, so how can we be real like that? I think, eveything in the universe consists of pure energy, right, and planets and stuff wre made of this same material that is everwhere around us, energy, so when life was created, it had to start with a will sort of, something that pushed and made a consciousness happen, if there wasn`t a will doing it, how could it have happen? Exactly, I think this magical material we call energy is way more complex than we know, first it created suns and planets, then life itself, souls in a body, I made the point some time ago that god doesn`t exist because there`s no way you can make anything in nature and then hide yourself as a maker 100 %, there`s always gonna be a signature sort of that`s you, so in my opinion then there`s no god, but the problem still exists, how can life have been created, there must have been something pushing it, something that knew how to for example, take organic material and break it down and then put it together to make a body with a soul, so I think this energy which are all around us is more complex than we think and have a finger in it all, which brings me to the next point, I think there`s no way to live forever because the cells in your soul get`s older and deteriorate over time and loses it`s connection to eachothers, the normal opinion sort of is that the body ages, but I personally think it`s the other way around, that the soul ages, which again makes it impossible to live forever because even if you took all the cells in the soul and replaced it, it wouldn`t be you anymore, what`s your though on the subject?

As a spiritual atheist I feel like my definition of soul is way different from yours.

 

[pitabread]

We all know we have souls

We don't know this.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

We all know we have souls...

No. We don't all know that.

if it`s just created by nature itself, how can we really feel anything and experience anything? I mean, if it just were a shell that ar programmed to certain things, we still wouldn`t feel real or experience pain for example, so how can we be real like that?

Living things that have brains are learning systems, they have some basic 'programming', but mostly they learn from experience, and the 'programming' can be changed in the process.

Feelings are elaborations of simple sensing and response to the external and internal (bodily) environment. For a complex system to control itself it needs a model and/or map of itself. The brain maintains both models and maps of the body and its environment and constantly updates them. These are the primary source of feelings, which lead to emotions, and a play crucial role in the sense of self and ongoing experience - though it is not yet clear how subjective experience arises.

I think, eveything in the universe consists of pure energy, right...

There is no such thing as 'pure energy', energy is a property of stuff. By analogy, there is no such thing as 'pure financial value', it is a property of stuff that can take many forms, from physical labour to gold, from bricks & mortar to numbers in a bank account, but it's an abstract property that stuff has, not something in its own right.

...I think there`s no way to live forever because the cells in your soul get`s older and deteriorate over time and loses it`s connection to eachothers, the normal opinion sort of is that the body ages, but I personally think it`s the other way around, that the soul ages, which again makes it impossible to live forever because even if you took all the cells in the soul and replaced it, it wouldn`t be you anymore, what`s your though on the subject?

My thought is that if a soul has cells that age, then it's not what most people think of as a soul, but it's either an organ or the whole body - so why call it a soul?

Please explain what this soul you describe is, what it does, what kind of cells it is made of, and where it is in the body.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Your problem is too explain how space, energy, matter, time and laws came into being?

Your problem is to explain how God came into being and how it can make space, energy, matter, time and laws come into being.

 

[Tolworth John]

Your problem is to explain how God came into being and how it can make space, energy, matter, time and laws come into being.

As God exists outside of our universe being literally suppernatural, we only know about him what he has revealled.
One aspect is that he has always existed where he is.

Do you have a reasonable alternative?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

As God exists outside of our universe being literally suppernatural, we only know about him what he has revealled.
One aspect is that he has always existed where he is.

Do you have a reasonable alternative?

Yes, that the universe/multiverse is all that there is, has no outside, and that the foundational stuff from which the universe as we know it arose has 'always' existed (in so far as a temporal description is applicable).

Inexplicable supernatural entities are so last aeon...

 

[Mark Quayle]

Your problem is to explain how God came into being and how it can make space, energy, matter, time and laws come into being.

For God to be God, he is First Cause. He did not 'come into' being. In fact, existence itself is 'of him'.

God exists, not because he is subject to the principle we know of as "existence", but existence is what it is, because he exists.

If there is indeed space, energy, matter, time and laws, or anything else that came into being, they came into being through him.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

For God to be God, he is First Cause. He did not 'come into' being. In fact, existence itself is 'of him'.

God exists, not because he is subject to the principle we know of as "existence", but existence is what it is, because he exists.

If there is indeed space, energy, matter, time and laws, or anything else that came into being, they came into being through him.

If you can define God to simply exist without coming into being, I suggest the same for the fundamental stuff from which our universe arose - which eliminates the need for unsubstantiated claims of inexplicable supernatural entities. Simples.

 

[Mark Quayle]

If you can define God to simply exist without coming into being, I suggest the same for the fundamental stuff from which our universe arose - which eliminates the need for unsubstantiated claims of inexplicable supernatural entities. Simples.

Then you claim that it is not logical that First Cause be with intent. First cause cannot logically be mere mechanical fact, as mechanical fact is subject to principles from outside itself.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Then you claim that it is not logical that First Cause be with intent. First cause cannot logically be mere mechanical fact, as mechanical fact is subject to principles from outside itself.

If 'stuff' has always existed, a 'First Cause' is redundant.

I know theologians have wanted to find a logical reason to require a god since theology was invented, but it's really begging the question. Simply unnecessary.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Then you claim that it is not logical that First Cause be with intent. First cause cannot logically be mere mechanical fact, as mechanical fact is subject to principles from outside itself.

No, I'm not claiming that. As I just said, 'First Cause' is redundant if stuff has always been around.