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I'm sure people reading this thread know about the Rand Paul vs. Anthony Fauci dust ups vs. "Gain of Function" research at the Wuhan lab, but that sort of criticism by Rand Paul and others is the backdrop of the story where new documents have been found that back up Paul's claim against Fauci.


Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist at Rutgers University, said the documents – obtained via a Freedom of Information Act request — made it clear that Fauci had been “untruthful” about gain-of-function research.

“The documents make it clear that assertions by the NIH Director, Francis Collins, and the NIAID Director, Anthony Fauci, that the NIH did not support gain-of-function research or potential pandemic pathogen enhancement at WIV are untruthful,” he tweeted.

“The materials show that the 2014 and 2019 NIH grants to EcoHealth with subcontracts to WIV funded gain-of-function research as defined in federal policies in effect in 2014-2017 and potential pandemic pathogen enhancement as defined in federal policies in effect in 2017-present.”



Wuhan lab documents show Fauci 'untruthful' about research: critics


Rand Paul says new Wuhan documents show Fauci lied
 

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Rand Paul is an ophthalmologist. He has absolutely no business commenting on COVID-19 or any other virus. He is currently a US Senator and is not practicing medicine.

Dr. Anthony Fauci is an American physician-scientist and immunologist serving as the Director of the National Institute of Allegry and Infectious Diseases (NIAID). He is a world-class authority on COVID-19.

Why does anyone in their right mind believe Rand Paul over Dr. Anthony Fauci? Would you want an automobile mechanic piloting your next flight in a jet airliner?
 
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Rand Paul is an ophthalmologist. He has absolutely no business commenting on COVID-19 or any other virus. He is currently a US Senator and is not practicing medicine.

Dr. Anthony Fauci is an American physician-scientist and immunologist serving as the Director of the National Institute of Allegry and Infectious Diseases (NIAID). He is a world-class authority on COVID-19.

Why does anyone in their right mind believe Rand Paul over Dr. Anthony Fauci? Would you want an automobile mechanic piloting your next flight in a jet airliner?

Rand is still a doctor. He still went through the same base education as any other doctor. He is in a much better position to criticize what's occurring with regard to Covid than anyone else in politics.
 
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Rand is still a doctor. He still went through the same base education as any other doctor. He is in a much better position to criticize what's occurring with regard to Covid than anyone else in politics.

So what? He is an ophthalmologist. He has no legitimacy regarding infectious diseases, especially since he went to medical school decades ago.

There are currently 17 physicians members of the 117th Congress including 4 senators and 13 representatives. He is the most outspoken, professing knowledge that is way outside his specialty. Do you want an eye doctor to remove your appendix?
 
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I also think it should be noted Fauci's track record of truthfulness and making up policies as much based on where he thinks the socio-political winds are blowing than in "what the science says".
But there is a potential "Fox guarding the hen house" type conflict of interest.
By the way, in reading stuff months back on Fauci I was reminded that Fauci in the 80s was instrumental in spreading the idea in the early 80s that AIDS might be spread through casual contact.

Fauci Was Duplicitous on the AIDS Epidemic Too – AIER


That a really good article and very relevant for anyone living in the US affected by Dr. Fauci because his early work on AIDS basically foreshadowed Covid.

"It’s a familiar pattern to anyone who has closely followed the infectious disease bureaucrat’s public commentary since Covid-19 burst into the national news cycle last January. It usually starts with Anthony Fauci fielding a question about a disease from the press, at which point he offers up a highly speculative answer that nonetheless appears to carry the gravity of his own authority.

Fauci usually caveats his remarks with a stream of noncommittal auxiliary verbs – the disease “could,” “might,” or “may” behave as his latest prognostication asserts. But the press runs with a bold headline anyway, declaring that Fauci has spoken and his word is final…at least until it is not. That’s when Fauci modifies his prior position without even the slightest scrutiny from an adoring press corps, and proceeds as if his newer pronouncement has been his position all along. The flip-flop is then complete and broadcast by the same press as the new gospel, even if it directly contradicts the fair doctor’s own advice given only weeks or days prior."
 
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Rand Paul is an ophthalmologist. He has absolutely no business commenting on COVID-19 or any other virus. He is currently a US Senator and is not practicing medicine.

Dr. Anthony Fauci is an American physician-scientist and immunologist serving as the Director of the National Institute of Allegry and Infectious Diseases (NIAID). He is a world-class authority on COVID-19.

Why does anyone in their right mind believe Rand Paul over Dr. Anthony Fauci? Would you want an automobile mechanic piloting your next flight in a jet airliner?
Appeal to authority fallacy
 
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I'm sure people reading this thread know about the Rand Paul vs. Anthony Fauci dust ups vs. "Gain of Function" research at the Wuhan lab, but that sort of criticism by Rand Paul and others is the backdrop of the story where new documents have been found that back up Paul's claim against Fauci.


Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist at Rutgers University, said the documents – obtained via a Freedom of Information Act request — made it clear that Fauci had been “untruthful” about gain-of-function research.

“The documents make it clear that assertions by the NIH Director, Francis Collins, and the NIAID Director, Anthony Fauci, that the NIH did not support gain-of-function research or potential pandemic pathogen enhancement at WIV are untruthful,” he tweeted.

“The materials show that the 2014 and 2019 NIH grants to EcoHealth with subcontracts to WIV funded gain-of-function research as defined in federal policies in effect in 2014-2017 and potential pandemic pathogen enhancement as defined in federal policies in effect in 2017-present.”



Wuhan lab documents show Fauci 'untruthful' about research: critics


Rand Paul says new Wuhan documents show Fauci lied
I have to consider the source as trustworthy as a nigerian prince.
 
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Why does anyone in their right mind believe Rand Paul over Dr. Anthony Fauci?

Dr. Paul's assertions regarding gain of function are being supported by a number of different sources. I don't care if he was a monkey trainer, or even a bar tender before becoming a Senator, if the accusations are supported, his position is worth looking into.
 
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Eventually, it will come out that this was an accidental lab leak of a half-finished bio-weapon.
It was and is fully finished as covid 19 is really an enhanced version of the typical flu. This makes it dangerous because it will mutate itself constantly making any previous vaccine useless, so do not bother getting vaccinated
 
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It was and is fully finished as covid 19 is really an enhanced version of the typical flu. This makes it dangerous because it will mutate itself constantly making any previous vaccine useless, so do not bother getting vaccinated

No, it is not. Two different types of viruses cause two different types of diseases.
 
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By the way, in reading stuff months back on Fauci I was reminded that Fauci in the 80s was instrumental in spreading the idea in the early 80s that AIDS might be spread through casual contact.
And it might have been. We spent the 80's LEARNING about the causes and effects of AIDS.

I don't understand why some people think that doctors should know everything about a medical crisis the minute it begins ...
 
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If Fauci was funding gain of function research, it would certainly explain how Fauci knew, way back in 2017, that 'there will be a surprise outbreak'.
Anyone with an ounce of medical intuition knew/knows that future pandemics lie out there beyond the horizon.

Why ??? Becuase they've happened before ... the world has a solid history of various plagues impacting the human race from time to time ... Black Plague, the Spanish Flu, Cholera, Polio, Smallpox, etc.

Also ... because medical practitioners know that there are medical pathogens out there nature ... which are just a step away from becoming a threat to the human race ...
 
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26 out of the 27 Lancet scientists who trashed theory that Covid leaked from a Chinese lab have links to Wuhan researchers

Of the 27 scientists who wrote a letter in The Lancet medical journal dismissing the possibility that Covid-19 originated from a Wuhan lab, 26 have links to its Chinese researchers, their colleagues or its benefactors, a new investigation has revealed.

On March 7 last year, the influential journal published the letter in which the 27 scientists said they 'strongly condemned conspiracy theories' surrounding the origins of the coronavirus pandemic that has impacted all corners of the world.

All debate into whether Covid-19 had man-made origins or leaked from the lab in Wuhan - the Chinese city that was ground-zero for the virus - was effectively shut down by the letter.


Signatories include Dr Peter Daszak, the British president of EcoHealth Alliance, which funnelled money into controversial research at a Wuhan Institute of Virology, and UK Government scientific adviser Sir Jeremy Farrar.

Only one - Dr Ronald Corley, a microbiology expert from Boston University - has been found to have no links back to funders or researchers at the Wuhan institute.
 
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Fact the Chinese referred to covid as the flu initially. Not debatable this is fact

Gain of function research means making an non infectious disease to humans infectious to humans. They however refuse to speculate on the gene splicing likely because the CDC was involved. However unlike me you know all the facts

LOL

They did not refer to it as the flu. The Chinese have more experience with coronavirus outbreaks than we do. It followed a familiar pattern.
 
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They did not refer to it as the flu. The Chinese have more experience with coronavirus outbreaks than we do. It followed a familiar pattern.

I wonder if there is confusion because their was a slang/joke nickname of Covid as "The Wu Flu" that was used especially in the early days.
 
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