Hi there,
So this is basically the problem of the faith, when it comes to "Evolution" - that is, this is what people with faith object to, when they say "I would rather just be in Heaven (with God), than 'evolve' - that is, in a way that prevents me from being with God." What exactly is enough? What would I want to delay enjoyment of Heaven, for? Is there something? Is there something that would justify all the joys of Heaven, being put on hold?
The point is not to stray outside of science, just to assert how ever scientifically, that there is a limit that anything, will reach, when it comes to the Will of God - that the will of God is never "perdition" as opposed to enjoying life in Heaven with Him. I know that it may sound like the same thing to you, the Bible warns that people without faith think that God's restraint is evidence of perdition (from memory, letters), but the point I am trying to make is that you are not given time to evolve, as if there is no end, there will be an end, after which it will not matter how much you "want" to 'evolve' you will just never receive from God the faith to evolve further, than you already have.
The point being, that there are many promises made by people - prophets, scientists, leaders, and so on - this side of Heaven and we need to be cautious, which of them are genuine. A good test (as to whether they are genuine) is to suggest that the thing promised, might have a place in Heaven. In Evolution's sense, it might help to suggest that part of the proposed "adaptation" be a "heavenly adaptation" - something God given, or God justified, in principle. By doing this, we can see, in what way it is thought to related to the rest of Heaven, where there are many faiths and many reasons to enjoy the presence of God - and which God zealously defends, because He cannot deny faith (in the sense that Jesus cannot deny Himself - sort of thing).
It is not for misery, that I ask this, I really want to believe that my Evolution is the right solution to the world's problems, in as much as I can see it working to that effect. It's just that to date I have not been told anything that is strictly Heavenly about "Evolution", as opposed to "more needless adaptation" which is Hell. Part of the problem is that as a people, the members of the world, we have not been shown "this is good Evolution" or "this is bad Evolution" and it really is to science's shame that it has not developed a capacity to test this as far as faith is concerned - perhaps my OP here will prove a change in that, Idk - if people had condescended to be a little more faithful, as regards Evolution, perhaps by now we would have a standard, of the expectations of good Evolution, on the growth of the world's Health and Safety.
But there is a danger here, and it is with some pain that I put it forth, that if there was a universal way to interpret Evolution, it might not continue to function as the ruse, it so effectively becomes in the way of putting distance between those who want to know what they know and those who assume it (that they know), even when they are not producing a specific fruit of good or bad. In the faith we call this being "lukewarm" and the consequence is that Jesus stops having faith in you, whether you call yourself a Christian or not! It's not as if I am making up there is a boogey man in Evolution - if my Christianity can become irrelevant, so can your Evolution! The problem is for every effective ruse, there is an equal and opposite expectation that you will fall into your own trap, which is a snare. And if there is anything I have wanted to avoid the most: it's trapping people.
What we are told, in terms of scripture, is that in the end, we should not assume that our faith will change how we are treated, but that we should say "We are unprofitable servants, we have done what was our duty to do" (from memory, the gospels). In other words, we should really conduct ourselves, as if "Evolution" is 'over' - that the whole thing that was expected of us, was to bring it to an end (a recognizable end, I would argue). If we did that - assume Evolution was over - what would that change? Would we lose anything? I argue that our lives would be more fulfilled, that we would take greater advantage of Heaven - the light and ease, that it brought. Which is why I have posted this...
But I know no way of learning is powerful, without consensus, so I put it to you: is your experience of Heaven any different to anyone else's because of Evolution? If you get to Heaven and there is "more to be evolved" are you unable to say "we are unprofitable servants, we have done what was our duty to do"? I understand that we all have to live by faith, how much greater it would be, if we understood where we stood, when we said we believed in Evolution, which Evolution we believed it to be? I think there is more to be mastered, if there is time at all, than if we begin to say "the master is delaying his coming" and we begin to get drunk and beat our fellow servants - Jesus warns that the master will come at time the servant is not ready and cut him in two (from memory, the gospels). Let the Holy Spirit point this out to you, it is not simply "I" who say this, but God.
I don't know that you realise how happy it would make me, to reach a point where we see this, in each other - our Evolution at work, through mastery. Life on the hunt, is a great life - if it is for something sustainable - I for one would like to see men work together, on bringing in the outlier of their nation, the one whose hope needs the most attention. The trouble is working for something, to give that one with less hope. There is no change of mind, which satisfies the mind of God that work is done - something has to be said, until the Evolution of Evolution has been heard and understood to remove the incomplete, for the sake of the complete! That is the Evolution I want to know! Even if it turns out that everything I have done to understand Evolution is for nothing, if I knew that the incomplete had to make way for the complete - I would rejoice!
Maybe, that is the point I have been trying to make, perhaps not: thank you at least for listening to me. In time we may all be blessed (if the Devil does not get the upper hand after all!).
(selah).
So this is basically the problem of the faith, when it comes to "Evolution" - that is, this is what people with faith object to, when they say "I would rather just be in Heaven (with God), than 'evolve' - that is, in a way that prevents me from being with God." What exactly is enough? What would I want to delay enjoyment of Heaven, for? Is there something? Is there something that would justify all the joys of Heaven, being put on hold?
The point is not to stray outside of science, just to assert how ever scientifically, that there is a limit that anything, will reach, when it comes to the Will of God - that the will of God is never "perdition" as opposed to enjoying life in Heaven with Him. I know that it may sound like the same thing to you, the Bible warns that people without faith think that God's restraint is evidence of perdition (from memory, letters), but the point I am trying to make is that you are not given time to evolve, as if there is no end, there will be an end, after which it will not matter how much you "want" to 'evolve' you will just never receive from God the faith to evolve further, than you already have.
The point being, that there are many promises made by people - prophets, scientists, leaders, and so on - this side of Heaven and we need to be cautious, which of them are genuine. A good test (as to whether they are genuine) is to suggest that the thing promised, might have a place in Heaven. In Evolution's sense, it might help to suggest that part of the proposed "adaptation" be a "heavenly adaptation" - something God given, or God justified, in principle. By doing this, we can see, in what way it is thought to related to the rest of Heaven, where there are many faiths and many reasons to enjoy the presence of God - and which God zealously defends, because He cannot deny faith (in the sense that Jesus cannot deny Himself - sort of thing).
It is not for misery, that I ask this, I really want to believe that my Evolution is the right solution to the world's problems, in as much as I can see it working to that effect. It's just that to date I have not been told anything that is strictly Heavenly about "Evolution", as opposed to "more needless adaptation" which is Hell. Part of the problem is that as a people, the members of the world, we have not been shown "this is good Evolution" or "this is bad Evolution" and it really is to science's shame that it has not developed a capacity to test this as far as faith is concerned - perhaps my OP here will prove a change in that, Idk - if people had condescended to be a little more faithful, as regards Evolution, perhaps by now we would have a standard, of the expectations of good Evolution, on the growth of the world's Health and Safety.
But there is a danger here, and it is with some pain that I put it forth, that if there was a universal way to interpret Evolution, it might not continue to function as the ruse, it so effectively becomes in the way of putting distance between those who want to know what they know and those who assume it (that they know), even when they are not producing a specific fruit of good or bad. In the faith we call this being "lukewarm" and the consequence is that Jesus stops having faith in you, whether you call yourself a Christian or not! It's not as if I am making up there is a boogey man in Evolution - if my Christianity can become irrelevant, so can your Evolution! The problem is for every effective ruse, there is an equal and opposite expectation that you will fall into your own trap, which is a snare. And if there is anything I have wanted to avoid the most: it's trapping people.
What we are told, in terms of scripture, is that in the end, we should not assume that our faith will change how we are treated, but that we should say "We are unprofitable servants, we have done what was our duty to do" (from memory, the gospels). In other words, we should really conduct ourselves, as if "Evolution" is 'over' - that the whole thing that was expected of us, was to bring it to an end (a recognizable end, I would argue). If we did that - assume Evolution was over - what would that change? Would we lose anything? I argue that our lives would be more fulfilled, that we would take greater advantage of Heaven - the light and ease, that it brought. Which is why I have posted this...
But I know no way of learning is powerful, without consensus, so I put it to you: is your experience of Heaven any different to anyone else's because of Evolution? If you get to Heaven and there is "more to be evolved" are you unable to say "we are unprofitable servants, we have done what was our duty to do"? I understand that we all have to live by faith, how much greater it would be, if we understood where we stood, when we said we believed in Evolution, which Evolution we believed it to be? I think there is more to be mastered, if there is time at all, than if we begin to say "the master is delaying his coming" and we begin to get drunk and beat our fellow servants - Jesus warns that the master will come at time the servant is not ready and cut him in two (from memory, the gospels). Let the Holy Spirit point this out to you, it is not simply "I" who say this, but God.
I don't know that you realise how happy it would make me, to reach a point where we see this, in each other - our Evolution at work, through mastery. Life on the hunt, is a great life - if it is for something sustainable - I for one would like to see men work together, on bringing in the outlier of their nation, the one whose hope needs the most attention. The trouble is working for something, to give that one with less hope. There is no change of mind, which satisfies the mind of God that work is done - something has to be said, until the Evolution of Evolution has been heard and understood to remove the incomplete, for the sake of the complete! That is the Evolution I want to know! Even if it turns out that everything I have done to understand Evolution is for nothing, if I knew that the incomplete had to make way for the complete - I would rejoice!
Maybe, that is the point I have been trying to make, perhaps not: thank you at least for listening to me. In time we may all be blessed (if the Devil does not get the upper hand after all!).
(selah).
