Pfizer vaccine still NOT fully approved by FDA

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So? As I recall, receiving a series of vaccines -- MMR, etc.

They weren't telling us that before. But they did have a system of propaganda to make us accept it:
https://debeaumont.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/VaccineToolkit_1pger.pdf

TAILOR YOUR MESSAGE FOR YOUR AUDIENCE. Americans’ perceptions about vaccines and their safety differ by political party, race, age, and geography. EXPLAIN THE BENEFITS OF GETTING VACCINATED, NOT JUST THE CONSEQUENCES OF NOT DOING IT. Say, “Getting the vaccine will keep you and your family safe,” rather than calling it “the right thing to do.” Focus on the need to return to normal and reopen the economy. TALK ABOUT THE PEOPLE BEHIND THE VACCINE. Refer to the scientists, the health and medical experts, and the researchers – not the science, health, and pharmaceutical companies. AVOID JUDGMENTAL LANGUAGE WHEN TALKING ABOUT OR TO PEOPLE WHO ARE CONCERNED. Acknowledge their concern or skepticism and offer to answer their questions. USE (AND REPEAT) THE WORD “EVERY” TO EXPLAIN THE VACCINE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. For example: “Every study, every phase, and every trial was reviewed by the FDA and a safety board.”
 
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They weren't telling us that before. But they did have a system of propaganda to make us accept it:
https://debeaumont.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/VaccineToolkit_1pger.pdf

TAILOR YOUR MESSAGE FOR YOUR AUDIENCE. Americans’ perceptions about vaccines and their safety differ by political party, race, age, and geography. EXPLAIN THE BENEFITS OF GETTING VACCINATED, NOT JUST THE CONSEQUENCES OF NOT DOING IT. Say, “Getting the vaccine will keep you and your family safe,” rather than calling it “the right thing to do.” Focus on the need to return to normal and reopen the economy. TALK ABOUT THE PEOPLE BEHIND THE VACCINE. Refer to the scientists, the health and medical experts, and the researchers – not the science, health, and pharmaceutical companies. AVOID JUDGMENTAL LANGUAGE WHEN TALKING ABOUT OR TO PEOPLE WHO ARE CONCERNED. Acknowledge their concern or skepticism and offer to answer their questions. USE (AND REPEAT) THE WORD “EVERY” TO EXPLAIN THE VACCINE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. For example: “Every study, every phase, and every trial was reviewed by the FDA and a safety board.”

Ah because the covid doesn't change.....got it.
 
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Ah because the covid doesn't change.....got it.

Admitting that it could wouldn't be as good of a propaganda campaign. Just like with any product, they come up with something and talk about how "great" it is. When it runs its course and isn't making any more money, then they come out with the:clap: NEW AND IMPROVED! :clap:version to make you come back for more.

It would be amusing if it wasn't our health and lives they were playing with.
 
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DELTA.. Less Effective......remain largely effective. Both haha from the left media man you can't make this stuff up.

Its lol sorry.. its strange if you read/search Google about "delta" variant you find those hospitals are "FULL" of mostly unvaccinated. Yet.. they never give you any numbers thats odd. I watched what real nurses have said about what they see first hand which is oddly no where here. The strange part is when you LEAVE the left media and go out side the USA. England hundreds of vaccinated hospitalized as of Aug 6th. I can talk about Israel and other countries.. another odd thing huh.

That "effective" man thats ALL over the place. So like always seems our "sources" for truth is being very selective.
I follow NJ because that’s where I live, they give numbers. In the last week 25 of 697 hospitalizations were vaccinated. 1397 of 7611 positive tests, 0 of 53 deaths. So it helps preventing infection, is much more effective with hospitalization, and very effective with deaths.
 
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They weren't telling us that before.
Who were you listening to? There was speculation from the very beginning of the pandemic that immunity -- whether from vaccines or from infection -- would wane in time.
 
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You're supposed to be tolerant of views that don't necessarily line up with your own. Society is a rainbow of opinions and viewpoints. We must be inclusive of people we don't agree with. We're all in this together. Let's all just get along.

Am I leaving out any other relevant liberal talking points?

You echo them quite well -- a pity they mean nothing.
 
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I follow NJ because that’s where I live, they give numbers. In the last week 25 of 697 hospitalizations were unvaccinated. 1397 of 7611 positive tests, 0 of 53 deaths. So it helps preventing infection, is much more effective with hospitalization, and very effective with deaths.
Did you mean to write vaccinated rather than unvaccinated there? Because as it currently reads, you're saying that almost all hospitalizations, most positive tests, and all of the deaths were among the vaccinated.
 
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Did you mean to write vaccinated rather than unvaccinated there? Because as it currently reads, you're saying that almost all hospitalizations, most positive tests, and all of the deaths were among the vaccinated.
yes. fixed.

Realize that more than half of our people are vaccinated, so the numbers really should be adjusted. That would make the vaccine somewhat more effective than just looking at the numbers I quoted.
 
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This page gives numbers for all states: See the Data on Breakthrough Covid Hospitalizations and Deaths by State. However the NJ numbers are more useful. They are for last week. I think these are for the whole epidemic. Vaccination only started partway through. So they are really hard to interpret.

As far as I can tell, they don't have really good data, so that may be the only national data they can get.

They make an interesting observation. It appears that vaccinations are most effective when exposures are moderate. In areas with very high levels of infection, vaccination has been less helpful. But that seems to be just an impression. I'm not sure there's a well-supported model there.
 
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They make an interesting observation. It appears that vaccinations are most effective when exposures are moderate. In areas with very high levels of infection, vaccination has been less helpful. But that seems to be just an impression. I'm not sure there's a well-supported model there.
There are two basic models of vaccine escape. One is that you're either protected or you're not, depending on how your body reacted to the vaccine. The other is that vaccination reduces everyone's probability of being infected by some amount per exposure, but that if you are exposed enough times you'll probably become infected. I don't think there's good data to determine which is closer to the truth.
 
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There are two basic models of vaccine escape. One is that you're either protected or you're not, depending on how your body reacted to the vaccine. The other is that vaccination reduces everyone's probability of being infected by some amount per exposure, but that if you are exposed enough times you'll probably become infected. I don't think there's good data to determine which is closer to the truth.
In either case the usual recommendations make sense: don’t depend upon any one thing. Vaccinated people should still use masks and be careful where they go. Unless you’re in an area with lower prevalence than is true now.
 
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So the vaccine is fully approved for two doses for those over 16, and is still under EUA for third doses (for the immune-compromised) and for 12-15 year olds.
No, the Pfizer vaccine's EUA is extended for now. "Comirnaty" is the vaccine approved. Two separate letters were issued. None of the latter has been made yet but they are saying it is the Pfizer vaccine. It's all about maintaining the liability shield, which does not exist for typical adult vaccines, but only for those licensed under the children's schedule.
 
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No, the Pfizer vaccine's EUA is extended for now. "Comirnaty" is the vaccine approved.
Comirnaty is the Pfizer vaccine. What on earth are you talking about?
 
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Comirnaty is the Pfizer vaccine. What on earth are you talking about?
Read the documents. It is not in production yet. So anything anyone gets is still under the EUA, in order to maintain the liability shield. Others have addressed it as well, so read upthread.
 
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Seems RestoreTheJoy isn't playing with a full deck.
Yeah, sure...that's it. Jump to the ad hominem (I must be "mentally deficient", because you cannot respond substantively to the issue at hand).

Your comments about me are irrelevant. Address the subject matter. I'm pretty sure that ad hominems are a violation of terms here. But you do you.
 
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It's all about maintaining the liability shield, which does not exist for typical adult vaccines,
Exactly

Comirnaty is the Pfizer vaccine. What on earth are you talking about?
He's talking about how they are going to continue to get rid of the massive stock of the Pfizer vaccine that's branded "Pfizer" And this could take a very long time. And while this happens, they still have that liability shield when using those. They supposedly have an insufficient stock of the vaccine that's been "branded" Comirnaty. But that brand is the FDA approved one and those would be liable. There's a legal distinction between them. One is still liable, one is not.
 
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Exactly

He's talking about how they are going to continue to get rid of the massive stock of the Pfizer vaccine that's branded "Pfizer" And this could take a very long time. And while this happens, they still have that liability shield when using those. They supposedly have a insufficient stock of the vaccine that's been "branded" Comirnaty. But that brand is the FDA approved one and those would be liable. There's a legal distinction between them. One is still liable, one is not.
Yes, that is it exactly.
 
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