Pfizer vaccine receives FDA approval.

[RestoreTheJoy]

Because he's much less likely to spread it he's vaccinated, which makes quite a lot of sense. Why did you leave out that part?

Not true. Can spread it either way.
High viral loads suggest an increased risk of transmission and raised concern that, unlike with other variants, vaccinated people infected with Delta can transmit the virus. This finding is concerning and was a pivotal discovery leading to CDC’s updated mask recommendation. The masking recommendation was updated to ensure the vaccinated public would not unknowingly transmit virus to others, including their unvaccinated or immunocompromised loved ones. CDC Newsroom

 

[KCfromNC]

Prohibitions and forced mandates to do something (or be somewhere) are what autocrats do, which should concern anyone with a passing knowledge of history.

They're also what civilized societies to in order for people to to participate. For example, there are forced mandates for wearing pants in public, and prohibitions from driving 100 MPH in the opposite lanes in school zones, and neither of those have led to fascism.

Pulling out this sort of nonsense rhetoric about any sort of rules being totalitarianism when people need some sort of excuse to handwave away their fear of a vaccine or wearing a mask is pretty transparent.

 

[KCfromNC]

The difference between rational people and irrational people is that rational people operate from internal, not external control.

Which explains why no rational person is in favor of rules requiring others to wash their hands after using the restroom before serving them food. Oh wait, no, that's not true at all. There are good public health reasons for various mandates and restrictions on what other people do.

If people aren't interested in being part of society and taking advantage of all the benefits provided by cooperating, they're free to go off in the woods and live in a cave. If they want to be a part of the rest of us, time to start acting like it.

 

[KCfromNC]

Not true. Can spread it either way.
High viral loads suggest an increased risk of transmission and raised concern that, unlike with other variants, vaccinated people infected with Delta can transmit the virus. This finding is concerning and was a pivotal discovery leading to CDC’s updated mask recommendation. The masking recommendation was updated to ensure the vaccinated public would not unknowingly transmit virus to others, including their unvaccinated or immunocompromised loved ones. CDC Newsroom

None of what you've posted here actually addresses the facts from the post you responded to.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

They're also what civilized societies to in order for people to to participate. For example, there are forced mandates for wearing pants in public, and prohibitions from driving 100 MPH in the opposite lanes in school zones, and neither of those have led to fascism.

Pulling out this sort of nonsense rhetoric about any sort of rules being totalitarianism when people need some sort of excuse to handwave away their fear of a vaccine or wearing a mask is pretty transparent.

No, no, no. Not even remotely the same. This has been addressed already.

Clothing is for sanitary and protective reasons and is NOT an invasive medical experiment. Driving a reasonable rate of speed is so all can traverse the road at the same time. Also not an invasive medical experiment on humans with unknown consequences.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

Which explains why no rational person is in favor of rules requiring others to wash their hands after using the restroom before serving them food. Oh wait, no, that's not true at all. There are good public health reasons for various mandates and restrictions on what other people do.

If people aren't interested in being part of society and taking advantage of all the benefits provided by cooperating, they're free to go off in the woods and live in a cave. If they want to be a part of the rest of us, time to start acting like it.

Again, not invasive medical experiment with unknown future consequences. Not to mention over 100 million (estimated) already had Covid and are immune.

 

[sfs]

Not true. Can spread it either way.

Yes, true. Vaccinated people are a lot less likely to become infected than unvaccinated people, have high viral loads for a shorter period, are more likely to be asymptomatic and therefore to have lower viral loads, and probably have a smaller fraction of infectious virus. All of which means that vaccinated people are indeed less likely to transmit SARS-CoV-2 -- including the delta variant -- than unvaccinated people. Yes, they can spread it, but they do so less often.

 

[sfs]

Again, not invasive medical experiment with unknown future consequences.

Vaccination (outside of clinical trials) is not an experiment. It's a public health measure.

 

[sfs]

Again, not invasive medical experiment with unknown future consequences.

Anything could have future consequences. Putting vitamin D in soy milk might cause people to grow a third eye in 30 years. mRNA vaccines might cause unknown effects in decades. Both are immensely unlikely, but anything is possible. We don't normally base policy on immensely unlikely possibilities that we have no reason at all to expect.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Not to mention over 100 million (estimated) already had Covid and are immune.

I got COVID twice. When do I become immune?

 

[Bradskii]

But I will find no fault, if you would rather continue as you are.

This pious attitude cuts no ice with me. That you can risk your own health because you think that God might find it in Himself to help you (while ignoring the hundreds of thousands of others) - I could care less. But your attitude is a danger to others. Not excluding your family.

 

[RaymondG]

This pious attitude cuts no ice with me. That you can risk your own health because you think that God might find it in Himself to help you (while ignoring the hundreds of thousands of others) - I could care less. But your attitude is a danger to others. Not excluding your family.

I find no fault in anything you have said or believe.....Thanks for the conversation.

 

[RaymondG]

I got COVID twice. When do I become immune?

You have had it twice? Did it affect you less the second time? And was either times after getting the vaccine?

 

[TLK Valentine]

You have had it twice? Did it affect you less the second time? And was either times after getting the vaccine?

The second time was indeed much milder than the first, and lasted less than half as long, and yes, the second time was after being vaccinated.

My doctor couldn't confirm it, but I'm convinced the second time had to be Delta.

 

[Bradskii]

You: I don't know what people are like around where you live. But people in these parts are queing to get a jab. And if a business stuck a card in their window saying 'Not vaccinated now, not vaccinated ever' then pretty soon there'd be another sign stuck over the first saying 'Property for lease'.

Reality:
About a third of the population would avoid the business from such a sign saying the owner wasn't vaccinated (though no one would actually do this, or very few)...

Well, I still don't know what people are like around where you live. But around here, anyone who was admittedly dumb enough to put a sign in his window saying he was not going to get vaccinated would, I assure you, go out of business.

Actually, having just checked where you're from, I do have a reasonable idea as to how a large proportion of the people in your part of the world are like. I think our, tragically large, death rate from covid is 986 as from this morning. I think yours is a reflection of how some of you guys view this pandemic.

 

[Bradskii]

I find no fault in anything you have said or believe.....Thanks for the conversation.

Then if I am not wrong in that you are a danger to others and to your family, then perhaps you will reconsider your position on whether people should be vaccinated. If not for their own safety, but for the safety of their families and loved ones.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

Again, not invasive medical experiment with unknown future consequences.

Vaccines don't have long-term future consequences beyond their short term effects. After a few days the vaccine has left your body. The enhanced immune response that your body creates to fight the virus remains long afterwards, which is how all vaccines work.

The "long term consequences" scare is because some medications have had long term consequences, but those are typically taken frequently over long periods.

Short answer - no, you're not getting DNA-enhanced superpowers from mRNA shots.

 

[RaymondG]

The second time was indeed much milder than the first, and lasted less than half as long, and yes, the second time was after being vaccinated.

My doctor couldn't confirm it, but I'm convinced the second time had to be Delta.

Glad you came through both times. You are blessed to have made it through something twice.....that many were not able to make it through once.

If it was delta, it is a good sign that it was mild.....news seem to say it may be worse.

Do you mind sharing which vaccine you took?

 

[RaymondG]

Then if I am not wrong in that you are a danger to others and to your family, then perhaps you will reconsider your position on whether people should be vaccinated. If not for their own safety, but for the safety of their families and loved ones.

I've never said people shouldn't get vaccinated.....maybe you are responding to the wrong person.

 

[Desk trauma]

I don’t love a good imply and deny.