Hebrews 8 shows us that Christ gave the TEN Commandments - Christ's Commandments

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Gal 3: 19, Eph 2:15, Jn 15: 9-14 to name a few that tell us we are not under the laws given only to Israel and ended at Calvary.

John 15 does not say that about the Sabbath.
Gal 3 does not say God's commandments were ended at the cross.
Eph 2 only speaks of the separation between Jews and gentiles and in Is 56:6 gentiles are specifically singled out for Sabbath keeping as in "All mankind" in Mark 2:27 and Is 66:23
Ex 20:11 points directly at Gen 2:1-3 for the Sabbath made for mankind



Bible scholars in almost all Christian denominations agree with us that ALL TEN are written on the heart and mind under the New Covenant from Eden to this very day.

"Baptist Confession of Faith" sectn 19
"Westminster Confession of Faith" sectn 19
C.H. Spurgeon
Matthew Henry
Jamieson, Fausset, Brown
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism
R.C Sproul
"D.L. Moody"
"Dies Domini"

Ends with this statement--

Bible scholars in almost all Christian denominations on BOTH sides of the Sabbath topic - agree with us that ALL TEN are written on the heart and mind under the New Covenant from Eden to this very day.

"Baptist Confession of Faith" sectn 19
"Westminster Confession of Faith" sectn 19
C.H. Spurgeon
Matthew Henry
Jamieson, Fausset, Brown
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism
R.C Sproul
"D.L. Moody"
"Dies Domini"



Okay, then pray tell us what Jesus really did say? I would be interested in your supposedly superior knowledge on the verses.

How "odd" that Bob S apparently considers me to be the instructor for Bible scholars in almost all Christian denominations on BOTH sides of the Sabbath topic

"Baptist Confession of Faith" sectn 19
"Westminster Confession of Faith" sectn 19
C.H. Spurgeon
Matthew Henry
Jamieson, Fausset, Brown
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism
R.C Sproul
"D.L. Moody"
"Dies Domini"

It looks more like Bob S is making the claim that those scholars that point to the flaws in his suggestions get all their information "from me'.

John14:15 "if you love Me KEEP My Commandments"
Heb 8:6-12 Christ is the one speaking His Ten Commandments at Sinai
Where "honor your father and mother is the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2
 
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I believe I specifically referred you to Eph 2:15 where it says: 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, So much for your telling us that Eph 2 only.

"only.." what?

Only speaks to ceremonies separating Jews from gentiles or where you thinking that "do not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7 says it is not a sin when gentiles do that - just a sin when Jews do it and now it is not a sin at all?

Jesus quotes ONLY from the "LAW of Moses" when He says "keep the commandments" in Matt 19.
Paul quotes ONLY from the "Law of Moses" when he says Christians are to obey the commandments in Rom 13.


No wonder "Bible scholars in almost all Christian denominations - on BOTH sides of the Sabbath topic -- agree with us that ALL TEN are written on the heart and mind under the New Covenant from Eden to this very day."
 
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There are several scriptures that says the ten commandments are the words of the covenant.


And the NEW Covenant says God's LAW (known to Jeremiah) is written on the heart Jer 31:31-34.

No wonder "Bible scholars in almost all Christian denominations - on BOTH sides of the Sabbath topic -- agree with us that ALL TEN are written on the heart and mind under the New Covenant from Eden to this very day."
 
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in Is 56:6 gentiles are specifically singled out for Sabbath keeping

Yes, under the old covenant,

AND under the NEW Covenant as Jeremiah points out in Jer 31:31-34 where that same moral Law of God known to Jeremiah and his readers is "written on heart and mind".

Paul says this includes the TEN having "honor your father and mother - as the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2
 
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First of all, allow me to remind you that it does not say "mankind".

Yes it does. Mark 2:27 the Sabbath was made for mankind
Matt 4 - mankind shall not live by bread alone

In 66 it says we will weekly walk amongst the dead

no it doesn't
 
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The fact that Isa 56 is a prophecy about Gentile joining Israel as proselytes before the cross

It is a flat out command to gentiles AND a prophecy about the future. Both are in Is 56 and neither gives us the green light to ignore it.


2 Blessed is a man who does this,
And a son of man who takes hold of it;
Who keeps from profaning the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

That is not "the man who will in the future do this". But "the man who does".

Details matter even when inconvenient.


3 Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord say,
“The Lord will certainly separate me from His people.”
Nor let the eunuch say, “Behold, I am a dry tree.”
4 For this is what the Lord says:
“To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold firmly to My covenant,

"who keep" present tense.

who exist - present tense.



6 “Also the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord,
To attend to His service and to love the name of the Lord,
To be His servants, every one who keeps the Sabbath so as not to profane it,
And holds firmly to My covenant;


No wonder GENTILES who are not "brethren" (not Jews, not able to participate in Passover) but rather are "god fearers" (i.e. believing gentiles) in Acts 13 ask for MORE Gospel preaching on "the NEXT Sabbath".
 
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It is a flat out command to gentiles AND a prophecy about the future. Both are in Is 56 and neither gives us the green light to ignore it.


2 Blessed is a man who does this,
And a son of man who takes hold of it;
Who keeps from profaning the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

That is not "the man who will in the future do this". But "the man who does".

Details matter even when inconvenient.


3 Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord say,
“The Lord will certainly separate me from His people.”
Nor let the eunuch say, “Behold, I am a dry tree.”
4 For this is what the Lord says:
“To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold firmly to My covenant,

"who keep" present tense.

who exist - present tense.



6 “Also the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord,
To attend to His service and to love the name of the Lord,
To be His servants, every one who keeps the Sabbath so as not to profane it,
And holds firmly to My covenant;


No wonder GENTILES who are not "brethren" (not Jews, not able to participate in Passover) but rather are "god fearers" (i.e. believing gentiles) in Acts 13 ask for MORE Gospel preaching on "the NEXT Sabbath".
Speaking about details that matters, why did you leave out Isa 56:1?
Isa 56:1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.

Bob, it appears that you're hiding 2 major pieces to Isaiah's prophecy.
#1 The first coming of Jesus Christ is the salvation God said that was near to come. True or false?

#2 You're also hiding that God's righteousness revealed is "righteousness by faith". True or False?

It should be clear to most that you have no choice but to ignore facts to support your so-called Sabbath truths.
I'll give you one thing, you're consistent in what you do.
 
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Speaking about details that matters, why did you leave out Isa 56:1?
Isa 56:1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.

Bob, it appears that you're hiding 2 major pieces to Isaiah's prophecy.
#1 The first coming of Jesus Christ is the salvation God said that was near to come. True or false?

#2 You're also hiding that God's righteousness revealed is "righteousness by faith". True or False?

It should be clear to most that you have no choice but to ignore facts to support your so-called Sabbath truths.
I'll give you one thing, you're consistent in what you do.
Do you show faith in God when you obey God's holy laws or disobey?
Righteousness means doing what is morally right, which would include keeping the commandments of God that is our moral duty how to love God and our duty how to morally treat our neighbor.
 
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Righteousness means doing what is morally right, which would include keeping the commandments of God


You have not kept the commandments of God.

Only one human has ever kept the commandments of God, and He was God's Son.

If your relationship with God is based on what you do, instead of what He did at Calvary, you are doomed.


Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified?
Gal 3:2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?


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You have never kept the commandments of God.

Only one human has ever kept the commandments of God, and He was God's Son.

If your relationship with God is based on what you do, instead of what He did at Calvary, you are doomed.


Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified?
Gal 3:2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?


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You should speak for yourself and not others on what I do or not do. Only God knows what we all do. We can't hide anything from Him. If you have faith in Jesus you are going to want to obey and not disobey. Jesus gives us the Holy Spirit to help us obey John 14:15-18, Acts 5:32 what is not possible on our own is possible through God.
 
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You should speak for yourself and not others on what I do or not do. Only God knows what we all do. We can't hide anything from Him. If you have faith in Jesus you are going to want to obey and not disobey. Jesus gives us the Holy Spirit to help us obey John 14:15-18, Acts 5:32 what is not possible on our own is possible through God.


Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,


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Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,


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Yes, but that does not mean you have to be in a perpetual state of sin. You can overcome sin if you want to with the help of the Holy Spirit given to those who want to obey God's commandments. John 14:15-18, Acts 5:32

PS- there are other scriptures in the bible aside from Paul's writings which the disciples of his time had a hard time understanding. Even Paul tells us what matters is keeping God's commandments 1 Cor 7:19
 
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You have not kept the commandments of God.

Only one human has ever kept the commandments of God, and He was God's Son.

If your relationship with God is based on what you do, instead of what He did at Calvary, you are doomed.

Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified?
Gal 3:2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

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How do people who look to commandment keeping for salvation define "keep" His commandments? Sinless, perfect obedience to all of His commandments 100% of the time? Nobody but Jesus Christ has accomplished that. The Greek word for "keep" is "tereo" which means to guard, observe, watch over. If we are trusting in our best efforts to obey all of God's commandments as the means of obtaining salvation instead of trusting in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation (Romans 3:20-28; 4:5-6; 5:1) then we certainly are doomed. (Romans 3:23; 6:23; Galatians 2:16; 3:1-2, 10; Philippians 3:9)

Salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works is a "different" gospel. (Galatians 1:6-9)
 
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How do people who look to commandment keeping for salvation define "keep" His commandments? Sinless, perfect obedience to all of His commandments 100% of the time? Nobody but Jesus Christ has accomplished that. The Greek word for "keep" is "tereo" which means to guard, observe, watch over. If we are trusting in our best efforts to obey all of God's commandments as the means of obtaining salvation instead of trusting in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation (Romans 3:20-28; 4:5-6; 5:1) then we certainly are doomed. (Romans 3:23; 6:23; Galatians 2:16; 3:1-2, 10; Philippians 3:9)

Salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works is a "different" gospel. (Galatians 1:6-9)
Despite how many time you have been corrected on what SDA think regarding our Salvation you keep repeating the same thing over and over again.

We are saved by God's grace, His free gift to give or not give, though our faith. When you have faith in God do believe what He says or disbelieve? When you believe do you follow God's Word or do your own thing?

Jesus said IF you love Me keep My commandments John 14:15, John 15:10, 1 John 5:3 and God tells us who He has mercy to, right in His holy law Exodus 20:6 and it is for those who keep His commandments. Do you believe God here?

That's why according to scriptures God's saints have both the faith in Jesus and keep the commandments of God. Revelations 14:12, Revelations 12:17 That's why James says its not the hearers of the Word but the doers. Because those who hear Gods word and don't do His word deceive themselves.

James 1:22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.

Something to consider praying about. Our time on this earth is drawing near and Jesus is coming back soon.


Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
 
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Do you show faith in God when you obey God's holy laws or disobey?
Righteousness means doing what is morally right, which would include keeping the commandments of God that is our moral duty how to love God and our duty how to morally treat our neighbor.
That's your comment on the discussion???
I disagree with you. All the law included the ceremonial laws were required for righteousness. That means morality has nothing to do with it.
Righteousness is doing whatever God requires or commands.

Under the Old covenant, righteousness was doing all what the law says.
Deu 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

Under the New covenant righteousness is by faith, without the law.
Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Notice that both the law and the prophets bare witness that righteousness would be without the law. This is a reference to Jeremiah 31:31-34, that the new covenant would not be like the one made out of Egypt.
 
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Yes, but that does not mean you have to be in a perpetual state of sin. You can overcome sin if you want to with the help of the Holy Spirit given to those who want to obey God's commandments. John 14:15-18, Acts 5:32

PS- there are other scriptures in the bible aside from Paul's writings which the disciples of his time had a hard time understanding. Even Paul tells us what matters is keeping God's commandments 1 Cor 7:19

There will be a constant battle between the Spirit inside every believer, and their flesh, until the day they die.

Paul had to correct Peter in the Book of Galatians, because Peter had perverted the Gospel.

Why would anyone take the following out of context?

1Co 7:18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.


What matters is the Gospel, as revealed below by Paul.

Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified?
Gal 3:2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?




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There will be a constant battle between the Spirit inside every believer, and their flesh, until the day they die.

Paul had to correct Peter in the Book of Galatians, because Peter had perverted the Gospel.

Why would anyone take the following out of context?

1Co 7:18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.


What matters is the Gospel, as revealed below by Paul.

Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified?
Gal 3:2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?


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What else does Paul say about faith?

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.
 
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That's your comment on the discussion???
I disagree with you. All the law included the ceremonial laws were required for righteousness. That means morality has nothing to do with it.
Righteousness is doing whatever God requires or commands.

Under the Old covenant, righteousness was doing all what the law says.
Deu 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

Under the New covenant righteousness is by faith, without the law.
Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Notice that both the law and the prophets bare witness that righteousness would be without the law. This is a reference to Jeremiah 31:31-34, that the new covenant would not be like the one made out of Egypt.

Maybe you missed this in the New Covenant....


Jer 31:31 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Does not sound like the new covenant is without God's laws, quite the opposite.

What is righteousness?
A simple Webster’s definition of righteousness is “morally good: following religious or moral laws”, caused by something that you believe is morally right or fair”

I would not recommend doing away with the laws of God. This is what Jesus says about lawlessness.


Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
 
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What else does Paul say about faith?

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.


Once again, one verse taken out of its context does not reveal the whole picture.


Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.
Rom 3:29 Or is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also,
Rom 3:30 since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.


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