Med Schools Denying Biological Sex

[coffee4u]

True.

But there is no evidence of abuse leading to being transgendered

AN honest person woudl acknowledge that if an 8 year old is on puberty blockers it is because of a condition called precocious puberty and this has nothing to do with being transgendered.

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ignored or maybe parents just started smacking their kid around and the children were happy to start lying so mom and dad would stop hurting them.

Again it is not me saying this. The 8 year old on blockers is what the transgenders person in the video was saying. I think they know more about it than you.

 

[DamianWarS]

I certainly hope not cause it defys logic and science. It also isn't proper English. Thee and Thou was still reference to "you". They still used he, and she. Utilyzing they and them for he/she is illogical.

But a denial if reality is what we are being asked to do. And in the case of the OP it's also a denial of science.

there was a time when saying "you" instead of "thee/thou" was also grammatically incorrect but language has evolved. my point is "he/she" may drop in the English language in favour of "they" just as "thee/thou" has in favour of "you". "thee/thou" is the singular second person and "you" is the plural second person. today the plural second-person covers them both (which is "you"). "he/she" is the third person singular and "they" is the third person plural so considering what happened with "thee/thou/you" the same thing may happen with "he/she/they". and as I stated "they" is already been in use before the gender issue for "he/she" when gender is unknown. some just default to "he" but that isn't that popular anymore and saying "it" tends to be offensive. it also is not a logic/science thing it is a language thing. I'm not saying male/female, man/woman, boy/girl, etc... will disappear I'm saying the discriminatory pronouns for gender may fall out of practice in favour of the indiscriminate. Certainly, we can see a context for that already playing out. I speak a different language and in that language there is no "he/she/it" pronouns. There's only one that refers to everyone. there still is male/female but using pronouns you don't refer to gender in this language and the medical system seems to get along fine with this. So it's not that impossible to consider.

 

[Quartermaine]

And beating people, abusing them for having an illness is wrong.

Yes it is. But LGBT youth aren't beaten because of any illness, being LGBT isn't a disease, they are abused because they are different. Of course abuse won't change an LGBT kid but if they are abused long enough and horrifically enough then maybe they will start lying and start pretending to be something they aren't.

You can't beat an illness out of someone. I can't make my father in law not be bi-polar by abusing him. He needs medicine. Some people also need psychological therapy.

Yes people who abuse children because they are LGBT need a lot of help

 

[Quartermaine]

Right it says that they were not better afterwards. So it doesn't really helpm.

its says their quality of life improves. So yes it does help.

 

[muichimotsu]

Again, there seems to be a disconnect between the stance of 'the government can't tell me what to do with my own body and medical issues' when it comes to vaccines, and 'the government has to make certain procedures illegal' when it comes to this kind of surgery.

Almost like some groups apparently don't see the cognitive dissonance of moralizing about their pet issues and not being consistent on their "government stay out of private affairs"

 

[Quartermaine]

Closing your eyes to the health risks does not make them less real.

you said that transsexuals take hormones that are foreign to their bodies...but that just isnt' true

 

[Quartermaine]

Again it is not me saying this. The 8 year old on blockers is what the transgenders person in the video was saying. I think they know more about it than you.

you said it right here:

An 8 year old being put on blockers does not understand the consequences.

 

[coffee4u]

you said it right here:

I now have no idea what you are on about.

An 8 year old does not understand long term consequences.
The person in the video said this is happening and once on this train they rarely get off.
They are against it, which you would know if you actually listened to these transgender people calling for a sense of reason.

 

[muichimotsu]

I now have no idea what you are on about.

An 8 year old does not understand long term consequences.
The person in the video said this is happening and once on this train they rarely get off.
They are against it, which you would know if you actually listened to these transgender people calling for a sense of reason.

So one person gets hormone blockers at 8 years old, bad things happen, and suddenly every 8 year old on hormone blockers has no legitimate medical reason, even though at least one entirely unrelated to gender identity has been brought up?

"Reason" is relative, especially when dealing with cognitive bias that colors a perspective that isn't as simple as ,"you care about children and deny any medical care for them or you're abusing them if you provide hormones with medical consultation," with no nuance in between

 

[Nithavela]

Again they were not treated for labour in a timely manner like a regular woman would have been, this is why that baby died.

So you the problem was not that the pregnancy or birth gender of the this person was not the issue, but the error of judgement of the nurse was. Good.

 

[Skreeper]

Right it says that they were not better afterwards. So it doesn't really helpm.

Stop lying. SRS helps, there is more than enough data out there that shows that.

What doesn't help is people like you spreading misinformation. Stop it.

 

[Quartermaine]

I now have no idea what you are on about.

An 8 year old does not understand long term consequences.
The person in the video said this is happening and once on this train they rarely get off.
They are against it, which you would know if you actually listened to these transgender people calling for a sense of reason.

it isn't happening. If an 8 year old goes on puberty blockers they are on them for only one reason - they have entered into puberty and the process needs to be stalled until their bodies are mature enough to actually go through puberty.

 

[coffee4u]

it isn't happening. If an 8 year old goes on puberty blockers they are on them for only one reason - they have entered into puberty and the process needs to be stalled until their bodies are mature enough to actually go through puberty.

Wrong again, why don't you actually listen to them.
It isn't because they have started puberty its to ensure that they don't start puberty.

 

[muichimotsu]

Wrong again, why don't you actually listen to them.
It isn't because they have started puberty its to ensure that they don't start puberty.

Because cherry picked anecdotes means everyone else must agree with that rather than it being a bad example to reflect on present standards, which don't advocate that remotely.

 

[Quartermaine]

Wrong again, why don't you actually listen to them.

realize that your video is from an outfit run by the Russian state and if you check wikipedia has a long history of presenting false information based on the wants of the government there

It isn't because they have started puberty its to ensure that they don't start puberty.

if an 8 ear old is getting a puberty blocker it for precocious puberty.

 

[FireDragon76]

So the facts are sex reassigmement doesn't really help. They still struggle mentally with it. That's because it is a mental issue not a physical one.

Why do you assume just because something is "mental", it has no physical basis?

Gender dysphoria and transsexualism likely have complex etiologies, and transgender people themselves are complex and full human beings. The fact that transition doesn't solve all a persons problems doesn't prove that transitioning isn't beneficial.

These people are suffering and you encourage them to take drugs, undergo surgeries to transform their bodies and take hormone therapy which only adds to the problem. Because they don't really help in the long run.

The alternatives you propose don't seem to help, either. "Pray away the gay/trans" is full of stories of alienation and self-hatred.

 

[rjs330]

I was mostly just pointing out that it's, "What does that have to do with the price of tea in china." there is a mechanism for who someone would be born male, but think they were woman due to their brain being wired more towards female, where as unless reincarnation is real...and not so sure about the dragon part, there is no mechanism for someone to actually be a dragon or goat trapped in a human body. they are superficially similar, but very different.

And yet their brains are telling them to be happy or satisfied they want to be a dragon or tiger or whatever. In the particular case thier brains are telling them in order to be happy or satisfied they want to be a male or female, even when they are not biologically that sex. It's a brain thing and when the brain is involved in the denial of reality it needs to be delt with psychologically.

 

[Belk]

And yet their brains are telling them to be happy or satisfied they want to be a dragon or tiger or whatever. In the particular case thier brains are telling them in order to be happy or satisfied they want to be a male or female, even when they are not biologically that sex. It's a brain thing and when the brain is involved in the denial of reality it needs to be delt with psychologically.

My understanding is that all the professional organizations of psychology disagree with you on this. Why should we not listen to the experts but to those who have some religious views on the subject?

 

[rjs330]

Again, there seems to be a disconnect between the stance of 'the government can't tell me what to do with my own body and medical issues' when it comes to vaccines, and 'the government has to make certain procedures illegal' when it comes to this kind of surgery.

I don't think so, cause no one is saying an adult cannot do this. Freedom indicates adults get to make decisions even if we think they are damaging to them. Non-adults are a different matter entirely.

 

[rjs330]

Yes it is. But LGBT youth aren't beaten because of any illness, being LGBT isn't a disease, they are abused because they are different. Of course abuse won't change an LGBT kid but if they are abused long enough and horrifically enough then maybe they will start lying and start pretending to be something they aren't.

Yes people who abuse children because they are LGBT need a lot of help

You certainly won't get any argument from me on abusing people for any reason, be it mental illness, having ADHD, freckles or being a stepchild.