Washington Post: Vaccine mandates will backfire. People will resist even more.

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In recent weeks, calls for vaccine mandates have increasingly been heard: In a column headlined “Stop pleading with anti-vaxxers and start mandating vaccinations,” The Washington Post’s Max Boot implored President Biden to “stop making reasonable appeals to those who will not listen to reason.” Former Health and Human Services secretary Kathleen Sebelius lamented that “we’re going to tiptoe around mandates,” and she’s “kind of over that.” A coalition of medical professional organizations, including the American Medical Association, has asked for “all health care and long-term care employers to require their employees to be vaccinated against COVID-19.



Meanwhile, there’s a top-down push to get reluctant citizens vaccinated: The White House and the Department of Education partnered with colleges and universities on a “Covid-19 College Vaccine Challenge.” On Monday, the Department of Veterans Affairs became the first federal agency to mandate vaccinations for more than 100,000 of its employees. On Thursday, Biden announced that civilian federal workers must be vaccinated or submit to regular coronavirus testing.


But if this rhetoric and these efforts lead to a de facto national vaccine mandate, it will backfire: Americans from all walks of life resist being told what to put into their bodies, and many will resent any politician or institution that makes them get vaccinated, creating a crisis of legitimacy for any government, university or business that forces constituents, students or employees to get vaccinated. Indeed, the president of the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association has already said, “There will be a lot of pushback” from members of his organization against the federal employee mandate.

There’s been a lot of hand-wringing about partisan vaccine resistance — according to a recent Economist/YouGov poll, 29 percent of Republicans say they won’t get vaccinated, compared to 4 percent of Democrats — but that doesn’t tell the whole story. In mid-June, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation, when parents of children ages 12 and older (the youngest group authorized for vaccination) were asked by Kaiser Family if they would get their children vaccinated, 18 percent said they would wait and see, 10 percent said they would if required and 25 percent said “definitely not.” As FiveThirtyEight’s Geoffrey Skelley explains, “Unvaccinated Americans tend to be younger” and “more likely to be a person of color. The situation we’re in is not just because of politics but also because of access to the vaccine and broader skepticism of the health care system.”

I got a breakthrough covid infection. The worst part is the conflicting advice.
As Maya Goldenberg, author of “Vaccine Hesitancy: Public Trust, Expertise, and the War on Science” argues in a recent blog post, many of the vaccine-hesitant are well-educated, work in the health-care industry and have questions about how effective the vaccines are at stopping transmission, whether they’re safe to take during pregnancy or if they impact fertility.



Not only won’t mandates resolve many citizens’ concerns on these issues, they could lead many to feel that their concerns are being overlooked.

Furthermore, researchers have found that in some cases, vaccine resistance can be an expression of what the New York Times described as an ingrained “moral preference for liberty and individual rights.” Take NFL player Cole Beasley, who defiantly tweeted:

And the more that government flexes its political muscles to urge or enforce vaccine compliance, the greater incentive there is for populist politicians to push back, reinforcing the idea that the fight over vaccines is a fight about individual liberty: Earlier this month, not long after Biden floated the idea of a door-to-door vaccination outreach effort, Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.) rallied the crowd at the Conservative Political Action Conference, saying: “Don’t come knocking on my door with your ‘Fauci ouchie.’ You leave us the hell alone” — referencing Anthony S. Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, who has become, since last year, the public face of the nation’s vaccine response.


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Like I've stated previously, I got the Pfizer vaccine about a month or so ago and I've been fine

But...

It's the democrat party that is really pushing it hard, so it makes me feel like there is some nefarious reason why they want people getting the vaccine and are willing to have teams go door to door to proselytize on behalf of the vaccine. I wouldn't be surprised if it affected fertility or something. I mean, it wouldn't matter to me because I'm never going to be having kids anyway, but Bill Gates said in one of his speeches that we can "reduce overpopulation with vaccination" whatever the heck that is supposed to mean, because I thought that the point of vaccines was to inoculate people against diseases, rather than "shrink the world population".

You have to realize the way that the democrat party and the elite political class functions in order to really be able to see what I'm saying: they never tell the truth about anything. They tell whatever lies they have to in order to get people to do what they want, whether it's "Saddam Hussein has Nuclear Weapons" or "Russia hacked the election". They're so fundamentally out of touch with what the average person wants, that they do whatever benefits the elite class and then use their sycophants in the media to spin it as if they're doing something great for the American people.

Honestly, with how hard the democrat party is pushing vaccinations, I kind of wish that I wouldn't have gotten it now.
 
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They want to provoke their opponents into action so they can vilify us further and "justify" our genocide.

Yeah I've thought about that before, it seems like the most likely option when I really think about it.
 
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Yeah I've thought about that before, it seems like the most likely option when I really think about it.

I become more convinced of it every day.

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I become more convinced of it every day.

Keep in mind that I suffer from paranoia and delusions due to my condition, but the more I see the news, the more likely it seems that this is the direction that the country is moving in and the way they'll deny it is by saying "We only targeted Christians and Conservatives, so it's not actually a genocide because those are things that people choose to be. After all, we're facing climate change and fascism as existential threats and something needed to be done".

See, they'll accuse us of being fascists until the cows come home, because fascist is what they actually are and the US democrat party functions by projecting it's failures and insecurities onto the opposition (with the help of a largely sycophant media, yes even Fox News is in on it too). The US is moving toward a fascist system of government and why do I say this? Because fascism is the merger of government power with corporate power and this has been slowly taking place since the 1980s, with Clinton finishing the sell-off of government power to "systems of private tyrannies" in the 1990s. THe past twenty years have been the implementation of a police state that would make the German Democratic Republic blush along with media messaging against religion and religious values, which really kicked into high gear in the 2010s (a period of time where I was pretty much asleep to what was happening culturally until Trump got into office).

The 2020s started with the "crisis" of Covid19. Whether it was released from a laboratory intentionally to give governments the excuse to clamp down on civil liberties is still up in the air, but I think that this was the most likely actuality. Factor in the process of the "great reset" from the IMF and WEF, and you've got a means of bringing in fascism-by-any-other-name in the globalized society.

If we fight back, they'll just kill us all quicker. But at least for people like me, I see dying on my feet preferable to living on my knees, but that's just because I am a big fan of St. Maximilian Kolbe and St. Sebastian is my patron saint, so I'm sure it's a lot different for people with families and children, which I luckily do not have to worry about.
 
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But the Biden administration is prepping for land seizures.

Whose land do they think that they're going to seize and how is that going to work in a country where a lot of people still own guns and wouldn't be afraid to use them?

I think a second civil war is really the only way forward at this point, and my mind is already made up as to which side I'll be providing aid to.
 
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I become more convinced of it every day.

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Agreed. Waiting for #7 to begin.
I would say that we're at 6.5 right now:
6.5 exclusion: colleges and employers actively excluding those employees and students who have not been vaccinated from eligibility to attend/ work there.
 
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Whose land do they think that they're going to seize and how is that going to work in a country where a lot of people still own guns and wouldn't be afraid to use them?

I think a second civil war is really the only way forward at this point, and my mind is already made up as to which side I'll be providing aid to.
There are too many people now to have a nation- wide civil war. The round up will have to happen first.
 
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The round up will have to happen first.

That's what the UN is for. America is going to cede it's sovereignty to the UN and then they're going to be the ones that march in and confiscate the guns and send us off for "reeducation" into "socialism" (fascism)
 
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That's what the UN is for. America is going to cede it's sovereignty to the UN and then they're going to be the ones that march in and confiscate the guns and send us off for "reeducation" into "socialism" (fascism)
Didn't see that one coming.
Good point!
 
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Didn't see that one coming.
Good point!

The powerful elites and the so-called "authorities" are going to call it "socialism", but really it's going to be fascism because of the merger of the corporate with the state that has been taking place since the 1980s. The test case was NYC in the late 70s: when the banks that loaned the city money to pay for it's programs eventually just stopped and argued that they should be the ones to exercise power over NYC and a council was formed to manage the city's finances, out of 8 people (I think) on the council, 7 of them were bankers.

The same has been happening to America since roughly 1980: Corporate heads and bankers are now more powerful than the senators and the President, and they are the ones making all of the calls. They write all the laws in their policy institutes and think tanks, and then merely "lobby" (bribe) the legislators to attach their names to said bills and pretend that they wrote them. It's the reason why normal people don't get elected to congress or the senate anymore-- it's all wealthy, connected people. Millionaires. They all go to the same universities, serve on the same board of directors at the same multinational companies before affixing either a D or an R to the front of their name and buying their way into office. I say "buying their way in" because that's what elections are: whoever puts up the most money "wins" the election, the vote totals aren't counted and don't actually matter as the media are the ones that control the public perception of the election to begin with and they can easily report that Candidate A received more votes than Candidate B, who spent less money.

So yeah, it's a fascist system that is coming down the pipe. Not a socialist one.
 
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Yup. The days when our votes mattered are gone.
The days when our Senators and our Representatives actually voted for what we sent them to Congress and the Senate for, are long gone.
Even Party affiliation has gone by the wayside.
A Republican is a Republican at home, and a Democrat in Washington.
 
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Meanwhile former President Obama is throwing himself a 60th birthday party with 450 guests and a staff of 200. When White House press secretary Jen Psaki was asked about she defended the president .


White House press secretary Jen Psaki was asked if former US President Barack Obama was “setting the wrong example” by throwing a birthday party with “hundreds of people” this week, as coronavirus cases continue to rise across the country.

Psaki responded by noting that Obama has been a “huge advocate” of individuals getting vaccinated and defended the event by confirming it falls within CDC guidance.

Reporter Peter Doocy, not satisfied with the answer, followed up by asking Psaki if Obama’s party could turn into a “superspreader” event.
 
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Meanwhile former President Obama is throwing himself a 60th birthday party with 450 guests and a staff of 200. When White House press secretary Jen Psaki was asked about she defended the president .

The defiance of their own "rules" is deafening. I don't know how anybody can look at the ruling class and think the rules they try to set for everyone have any validity when they spit on the rules themselves.
 
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