God's unconditional promises to the ancient nation of Israel

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Here are just some pf the places where God EXPLICITLY and UNCONDITIONALLY promised the ancient nation of Israel that He would bring them back to their ancient homeland, and would bless them there.

Two things need to be noticed about these promises. One is that they involve absolutely ALL of that ancient nation, and that the promised return is promised to take place AFTER the Lord returns, not BEFORE He returns.

“For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God. I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. I will call for the grain and multiply it, and bring no famine upon you." ' " (Ezekiel 36:24-29)

This was not just implied a time or two, but was repeatedly and unconditionally promised, in plain, clear words, as we see in the following passages.

“ ‘I will gather the remnant of My flock out of all countries where I have driven them, and bring them back to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase. I will set up shepherds over them who will feed them; and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, nor shall they be lacking,’ says the LORD. ‘Behold, the days are coming,’ says the LORD, ‘That I will raise to David a Branch of righteousness; A King shall reign and prosper, And execute judgment and righteousness in the earth. In His days Judah will be saved, And Israel will dwell safely; Now this is His name by which He will be called: THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
“ ‘Therefore, behold, the days are coming,’ says the LORD, ‘that they shall no longer say, “As the LORD lives who brought up the children of Israel from the land of Egypt,” but, “As the LORD lives who brought up and led the descendants of the house of Israel from the north country and from all the countries where I had driven them.” And they shall dwell in their own land.’ ” (Jeremiah 23:3-8)

“ ‘I will cause the captives of Judah and the captives of Israel to return, and will rebuild those places as at the first. I will cleanse them from all their iniquity by which they have sinned against Me, and I will pardon all their iniquities by which they have sinned and by which they have transgressed against Me. Then it shall be to Me a name of joy, a praise, and an honor before all nations of the earth, who shall hear all the good that I do to them; they shall fear and tremble for all the goodness and all the prosperity that I provide for it.’
“Thus says the LORD: ‘Again there shall be heard in this place--of which you say, “It is desolate, without man and without beast”--in the cities of Judah, in the streets of Jerusalem that are desolate, without man and without inhabitant and without beast, the voice of joy and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom and the voice of the bride, the voice of those who will say: “Praise the LORD of hosts, For the LORD is good, For His mercy endures forever” -- and of those who will bring the sacrifice of praise into the house of the LORD. For I will cause the captives of the land to return as at the first,' says the LORD.
“Thus says the LORD of hosts: ‘In this place which is desolate, without man and without beast, and in all its cities, there shall again be a dwelling place of shepherds causing their flocks to lie down. In the cities of the mountains, in the cities of the lowland, in the cities of the South, in the land of Benjamin, in the places around Jerusalem, and in the cities of Judah, the flocks shall again pass under the hands of him who counts them,’ says the LORD.” (Jeremiah 33:7-13)

“But I will bring back Israel to his home, And he shall feed on Carmel and Bashan; His soul shall be satisfied on Mount Ephraim and Gilead. In those days and in that time," says the LORD, "The iniquity of Israel shall be sought, but there shall be none; And the sins of Judah, but they shall not be found; For I will pardon those whom I preserve.” (Jeremiah 50:19-20)

“ ‘For thus says the Lord GOD: ‘Indeed I Myself will search for My sheep and seek them out. As a shepherd seeks out his flock on the day he is among his scattered sheep, so will I seek out My sheep and deliver them from all the places where they were scattered on a cloudy and dark day. And I will bring them out from the peoples and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land; I will feed them on the mountains of Israel, in the valleys and in all the inhabited places of the country. I will feed them in good pasture, and their fold shall be on the high mountains of Israel. There they shall lie down in a good fold and feed in rich pasture on the mountains of Israel. I will feed My flock, and I will make them lie down,’ says the Lord GOD. ‘I will seek what was lost and bring back what was driven away, bind up the broken and strengthen what was sick; but I will destroy the fat and the strong, and feed them in judgment.’ ” (Ezekiel 34:11-16)

“Indeed, what have you to do with Me, O Tyre and Sidon, and all the coasts of Philistia? Will you retaliate against Me? But if you retaliate against Me, Swiftly and speedily I will return your retaliation upon your own head; Because you have taken My silver and My gold, And have carried into your temples My prized possessions. Also the people of Judah and the people of Jerusalem You have sold to the Greeks, That you may remove them far from their borders.
“Behold, I will raise them Out of the place to which you have sold them, And will return your retaliation upon your own head.” (Joel 3:4-7)

“ ‘I will bring back the captives of My people Israel; They shall build the waste cities and inhabit them; They shall plant vineyards and drink wine from them; They shall also make gardens and eat fruit from them. I will plant them in their land, And no longer shall they be pulled up From the land I have given them,’ Says the LORD your God.” (Amos 9:14-15)

Many imagine that this promise of a restoration of Israel to her ancient homeland was fulfilled in the return from Babylon. But that return did not include the ancient sub-kingdom of “Ephraim,” which, even to this day, has never returned. The return from Babylon was only the ancient sub-kingdom of Judah, and only a very small part of that. For “Altogether the whole assembly was forty-two thousand three hundred and sixty, besides their male and female servants, of whom there were seven thousand three hundred and thirty-seven; and they had two hundred and forty-five men and women singers.” (Nehemiah 7:66-67) That is a total of only forty-nine thousand nine hundred and ninety two persons. By comparison, 2 Chronicles 17:12-19 informs us that, in the days of Jehoshaphat, the army of Judah was one million, one hundred and sixty thousand men, to say nothing of those that were not in the army. Compare this very small return with the return that God had promised:

“And you, son of man, prophesy to the mountains of Israel, and say, ‘O mountains of Israel, hear the word of the LORD! Thus says the Lord GOD: “Because the enemy has said of you, 'Aha! The ancient heights have become our possession,” ’ therefore prophesy, and say, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “Because they made you desolate and swallowed you up on every side, so that you became the possession of the rest of the nations, and you are taken up by the lips of talkers and slandered by the people”--therefore, O mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord GOD! Thus says the Lord GOD to the mountains, the hills, the rivers, the valleys, the desolate wastes, and the cities that have been forsaken, which became plunder and mockery to the rest of the nations all around--therefore thus says the Lord GOD: ‘Surely I have spoken in My burning jealousy against the rest of the nations and against all Edom, who gave My land to themselves as a possession, with whole-hearted joy and spiteful minds, in order to plunder its open country.’ ” Therefore prophesy concerning the land of Israel, and say to the mountains, the hills, the rivers, and the valleys, “Thus says the Lord GOD: ‘Behold, I have spoken in My jealousy and My fury, because you have borne the shame of the nations.’ Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: ‘I have raised My hand in an oath that surely the nations that are around you shall bear their own shame.
“But you, O mountains of Israel, you shall shoot forth your branches and yield your fruit to My people Israel, for they are about to come. For indeed I am for you, and I will turn to you, and you shall be tilled and sown. I will multiply men upon you, all the hiuse of Israel, all of it; and the cities shall be inhabited and the ruins rebuilt.” ’ ” (Ezekiel 36:1-10)

Here, we need to notice the words, “all the house of Israel, all of it.” In the Hebrew text, the word “כֹּל,” “kol” in our alphabet, is doubled, stressing that the meaning is absolutely all of “the house of Israel.” Yet the return from Babylon was only a very small part of “the house of Judah.”

We also need to notice that the promised return was to “the mountains of Israel,” along with “the hills, the rivers, the valleys, the desolate wastes, and the cities that have been forsaken, which became plunder and mockery to the rest of the nations all around.” (Ezekiel 36:4) And eleven chapters later, God went so far as to define the future borders of that land.

“Thus says the Lord GOD: ‘These are the borders by which you shall divide the land as an inheritance among the twelve tribes of Israel. Joseph shall have two portions. You shall inherit it equally with one another; for I raised My hand in an oath to give it to your fathers, and this land shall fall to you as your inheritance. This shall be the border of the land on the north: from the Great Sea, by the road to Hethlon, as one goes to Zedad, Hamath, Berothah, Sibraim (which is between the border of Damascus and the border of Hamath), to Hazar Hatticon (which is on the border of Hauran). Thus the boundary shall be from the Sea to Hazar Enan, the border of Damascus; and as for the north, northward, it is the border of Hamath. This is the north side. On the east side you shall mark out the border from between Hauran and Damascus, and between Gilead and the land of Israel, along the Jordan, and along the eastern side of the sea. This is the east side. The south side, toward the South, shall be from Tamar to the waters of Meribah by Kadesh, along the brook to the Great Sea. This is the south side, toward the South. The west side shall be the Great Sea, from the southern boundary until one comes to a point opposite Hamath. This is the west side.’ ” (Ezekiel 47:13-20)

This is nothing less than the definition of a specific plot of real estate, first by description (chapter 36) and then by precisely specifying its borders. (chapter 47) Some people demand why we are so interested in a mere plot of real estate on the other side of the world. And the answer, of course, is, because God is so interested in it. We can hardly overstress the fact that God has explicitly promised this specific plot of real estate to a particular “nation.” And that promise is unconditional.

But in spite of all these explicitly stated scriptures, there are many who imagine that this is only symbolic language. That when the prophetic scriptures say “Israel,” they mean “the church,” and when they speak of “the land,” they mean “heaven.” Major sources of this erroneous notion that we have not yet examined are the scripture that says “Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, ‘In you all the nations shall be blessed.’ So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.” (Galatians 3:7-9) And another that says, “For the promise that he would be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise made of no effect, because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression. Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all.” (Romans 4:13-16)

Many reason that, since these scriptures plainly call those who share “the faith of Abraham,” his “sons,” then , when the prophetic scriptures say “Israel,” they mean “the church.” But the Bible does not say that being a child of Abraham by faith makes a person an Israelite. The concept of being “an Israelite by faith” is not taught anywhere in the Bible. This indeed, seems like a reasonable conclusion. But all such reasoning about the scriptures is dangerous. And this notion, which is nothing but mere human reasoning, leads to a seriously false conclusion, that “the church” is “spiritual Israel,” (a term found nowhere in the entire Bible) and thus, that the promises made to the ancient “nation” of “Israel” actually belong to “the church.” This, as we have seen, is seriously wrong, because it makes God out to be a liar. God did not make these promises to His people generally, but to a specific ancient “nation.” And He promised to give that ancient “nation” a specific plot of real estate.
 
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But this notion is not only wrong because the Bible never says that “Israel” means “the church.” It is also wrong because the ancient promises were not only made to the “nation” of “Israel.” But there were numerous unconditional promises also made to each of the two sub-nations of “Ephraim” and “Judah,” and to each of “the twelve tribes of Israel” by name, as well as to the descendants of numerous specific Israelites. And no scripture even hints at an idea that any of these other names means “the church.”

So let us examine some of the unconditioal promises made to “Ephraim” and “Judah.”

“It shall come to pass in that day
That the LORD shall set His hand again the second time
To recover the remnant of His people who are left,
From Assyria and Egypt,
From Pathros and Cush,
From Elam and Shinar,
From Hamath and the islands of the sea.
He will set up a banner for the nations,
And will assemble the outcasts of Israel,
And gather together the dispersed of Judah
From the four corners of the earth.
Also the envy of Ephraim shall depart,
And the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off;
Ephraim shall not envy Judah,
And Judah shall not harass Ephraim.
But they shall fly down upon the shoulder of the Philistines toward the west;
Together they shall plunder the people of the East;
They shall lay their hand on Edom and Moab;
And the people of Ammon shall obey them.” (Isaiah 11:11-14)

“Again the word of the LORD came to me, saying, ‘As for you, son of man, take a stick for yourself and write on it: “For Judah and for the children of Israel, his companions.” Then take another stick and write on it, “For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel, his companions.” Then join them one to another for yourself into one stick, and they will become one in your hand.
“ ‘And when the children of your people speak to you, saying, “Will you not show us what you mean by these?”-- say to them, “Thus says the Lord GOD: ‘Surely I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel, his companions; and I will join them with it, with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they will be one in My hand.’ ” And the sticks on which you write will be in your hand before their eyes. Then say to them, “Thus says the Lord GOD: ‘Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.” ’ ” (Ezekiel 37:15-23)

“Return to the stronghold,
You prisoners of hope.
Even today I declare
That I will restore double to you.
For I have bent Judah, My bow,
Fitted the bow with Ephraim,
And raised up your sons, O Zion,
Against your sons, O Greece,
And made you like the sword of a mighty man.” (Zechariah 9:12-13)

All three of these passages explicitly makes unconditional promises to both “Ephraim” and “Judah.” And together, the following two passages from Ezekiel 48 make unconditional promises to each of “the twelve tribes of Israel.”

“Now these are the names of the tribes: From the northern border along the road to Hethlon at the entrance of Hamath, to Hazar Enan, the border of Damascus northward, in the direction of Hamath, there shall be one section for Dan from its east to its west side; by the border of Dan, from the east side to the west, one section for Asher; by the border of Asher, from the east side to the west, one section for Naphtali; by the border of Naphtali, from the east side to the west, one section for Manasseh; by the border of Manasseh, from the east side to the west, one section for Ephraim; by the border of Ephraim, from the east side to the west, one section for Reuben; by the border of Reuben, from the east side to the west, one section for Judah.” (Ezekiel 48:1-7)

“ ‘As for the rest of the tribes, from the east side to the west, Benjamin shall have one section; by the border of Benjamin, from the east side to the west, Simeon shall have one section; by the border of Simeon, from the east side to the west, Issachar shall have one section; by the border of Issachar, from the east side to the west, Zebulun shall have one section; by the border of Zebulun, from the east side to the west, Gad shall have one section; by the border of Gad, on the south side, toward the South, the border shall be from Tamar to the waters of Meribah by Kadesh, along the brook to the Great Sea. This is the land which you shall divide by lot as an inheritance among the tribes of Israel, and these are their portions,’ says the Lord GOD.” (Ezekiel 48:23-29)

The usage of the area between these sections is defined in Ezekiel 48:8-22.
 
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But now we need to look at when the Lord says He will bring them back to the land.
The main places we find this are:

“ ‘For behold, the LORD will come with fire And with His chariots, like a whirlwind, To render His anger with fury, And His rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire and by His sword The LORD will judge all flesh; And the slain of the LORD shall be many.
“ ‘Those who sanctify themselves and purify themselves, To go to the gardens After an idol in the midst, Eating swine's flesh and the abomination and the mouse, Shall be consumed together,’ says the LORD.
“ ‘For I know their works and their thoughts. It shall be that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come and see My glory. I will set a sign among them; and those among them who escape I will send to the nations: to Tarshish and Pul and Lud, who draw the bow, and Tubal and Javan, to the coastlands afar off who have not heard My fame nor seen My glory. And they shall declare My glory among the Gentiles. Then they shall bring all your brethren for an offering to the LORD out of all nations, on horses and in chariots and in litters, on mules and on camels, to My holy mountain Jerusalem,’ says the LORD, ‘as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD.’ ” (Isaiah 66:15-20)

Here the Lord describes the great battle of “Armageddon” without naming it, and then says that He “will send” “those among them who escape” “to the nations,” and that the nations will respond by sending “all your brethren” back “to My holy mountain Jerusalem.” So this prophecy clearly shows that the promised return of all Israel will be after the Lord comes in power and glory to judge the world, not before He comes. But we are told more than that.

“ ‘Therefore behold, the days are coming,’ says the LORD, ‘that it shall no more be said, “The “LORD lives who brought up the children of Israel from the land of Egypt,” but, “The LORD lives who brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north and from all the lands where He had driven them.” For I will bring them back into their land which I gave to their fathers.
“ ‘Behold, I will send for many fishermen,’ says the LORD, ‘and they shall fish them; and afterward I will send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain and every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks. For My eyes are on all their ways; they are not hidden from My face, nor is their iniquity hidden from My eyes. And first I will repay double for their iniquity and their sin, because they have defiled My land; they have filled My inheritance with the carcasses of their detestable and abominable idols.’ ” (Jeremiah 16:14-18)

So the Lord will not only bring them back generally, but He will send “fishermen” and “hunters” to seek out the residue of them from wherever they might be hidden. It would appear that these are angelic seekers, for we also read that “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.” (Matthew 24:29-31)

But many of the children of Israel are rebels. These will be purged “from among” those returning to the land at this time. We notice the timing of the follwing prophecy in the fact that God pleads with them “face to face,” just as He did with their “fathers” “in the wilderness of the land of Egypt.” He could not “plead” with them “face to face” unless He was physically present on the earth. So this detail shows that this purging will take place after the Lord returns, not before. Yet it takes place as they are returning. So this prophecy again shows the timing of their return.

“ ‘As I live,’ says the Lord GOD, ‘surely with a mighty hand, with an outstretched arm, and with fury poured out, I will rule over you. I will bring you out from the peoples and gather you out of the countries where you are scattered, with a mighty hand, with an outstretched arm, and with fury poured out. And I will bring you into the wilderness of the peoples, and there I will plead My case with you face to face. Just as I pleaded My case with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so I will plead My case with you,’ says the Lord GOD.
“ ‘I will make you pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant; I will purge the rebels from among you, and those who transgress against Me; I will bring them out of the country where they dwell, but they shall not enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the LORD.’ ” (Ezekiel 20:33-38)

We are not told what fraction of the people will be removed in this purging. But those that will be left are called a remnant, saying, “I will surely assemble all of you, O Jacob, I will surely gather the remnant of Israel; I will put them together like sheep of the fold, Like a flock in the midst of their pasture; They shall make a loud noise because of so many people.” (Micah 2:12)

It would appear that this purging will be by death, for the Lord says “I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. In that day there shall bea great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning at Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo. And the land shall mourn, every family by itself: the family of the house of David by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Levi by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of Shimei by itself, and their wives by themselves; all the families that remain, every family by itself, and their wives by themselves.” (Zechariah 12:10-14)

Again, we read, “it shall come to pass that he who is left in Zion and remains in Jerusalem will be called holy--everyone who is recorded among the living in Jerusalem. When the Lord has washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and purged the blood of Jerusalem from her midst, by the spirit of judgment and by the spirit of burning.” (Isaiah 4:3-4)

The following clauses from these two prophecies show that they are speaking of those who have survived to this time:
“all the families that remain”
“He who is left in Zion and remains in Jerusalem”
“everyone who is recorded among the living in Jerusalem”

And this purging (by death) is not ONLY for those returning at this time. For we are told, concerning “the time of Jacob’s trouble:” (Jeremiah 30:7)

“ ‘And it shall come to pass in all the land,’
Says the LORD,
‘That two-thirds in it shall be cut off and die,
But one-third shall be left in it:
I will bring the one-third through the fire,
Will refine them as silver is refined,
And test them as gold is tested.
They will call on My name,
And I will answer them.
I will say, 'This is My people';
And each one will say, 'The LORD is my God.’ ” (Zechariah 13:8-9)

This purging by death is what shows that there is no contradiction between the scriptures that so explicitly say, for instance, that “all the house of Israel, all of it,” will again inhabit the “mountains of Israel,” along with “the hills, the rivers, the valleys, the desolate wastes, and the cities that have been forsaken,” as we saw in Ezekiel 36:1-10, with the other scriptures that say things like:

“For though your people,
O Israel, be as the sand of the sea,
A remnant of them will return.” (Isaiah 10:22)

So, although only a “remnant” of “Israel” will survive these judgmental purges, we are plainly told that absolutely all of them that do survive will not only be settled in their ancient homeland, but also restored to a true and living faith in their God.
 
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What I have posted here is NOT, as has been FALSELY alleged, "personal interpretation of prophetic riddles," but what God has REPEATEDLY and EXPLICITLY promised, in PLAIN, CLEAR, words. and these promises are UNCONDITIONAL.

For He said of His promises made to DAVID:

“If his sons forsake My law
And do not walk in My judgments,
If they break My statutes
And do not keep My commandments,
Then I will punish their transgression with the rod,
And their iniquity with stripes.
Nevertheless My lovingkindness I will not utterly take from him,
Nor allow My faithfulness to fail.” (Psalm 89:30-33)

So when you deny that God will ACTUALLY keep these promIses, you are calling God a LIAR. and what is GOD's answer to that accusation?

"God is not a man, that He should lie,
Nor a son of man, that He should repent.
Has He said, and will He not do?
Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?" (Numbers 23:19)
 
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People like to think the whole Bible was written to them, so when they realized that, after Abraham, God was only talking to gentiles in Romans to Philemon, it is understandable they want to include themselves in the nation Israel.
 
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Many reason that, since these scriptures plainly call those who share “the faith of Abraham,” his “sons,” then , when the prophetic scriptures say “Israel,” they mean “the church.” But the Bible does not say that being a child of Abraham by faith makes a person an Israelite. The concept of being “an Israelite by faith” is not taught anywhere in the Bible.

Ruth was a Moabite, who was grafted into Israel through faith.
She married Boaz, who was the son of Rahab and grafted into Israel by faith.

What does the Olive Tree represent in Romans 11?
The answer is found in the "remnant" of Romans 11:5.

Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?




Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.


Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
Jas 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of
your faith worketh patience.



Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.

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Ruth was a Moabite, who was grafted into Israel through faith.
She married Boaz, who was the son of Rahab and grafted into Israel by faith.

What does the Olive Tree represent in Romans 11?
The answer is found in the "remnant" of Romans 11:5.

Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?




Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.


Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
Jas 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of
your faith worketh patience.



Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.

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So - your private interpretation of the meanings of a few scriptures negates God's explicit statements made in many scriptures? Who should we believe. You - or God?
 
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Here are just some pf the places where God EXPLICITLY and UNCONDITIONALLY promised the ancient nation of Israel that He would bring them back to their ancient homeland, and would bless them there.
Two things need to be noticed about these promises. One is that they involve absolutely ALL of that ancient nation, and that the promised return is promised to take place AFTER the Lord returns, not BEFORE He returns.
"After the Lord returns" is your personal interpretation of prophecy, it is not in the land promise made personally to each Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
“For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God. I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. I will call for the grain and multiply it, and bring no famine upon you." ' " (Ezekiel 36:24-29)
Fulfilled in the return from exile under Ezra.
This was not just implied a time or two, but was repeatedly and unconditionally promised, in plain, clear words, as we see in the following passages.

“ ‘I will gather the remnant of My flock out of all countries where I have driven them, and bring them back to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase. I will set up shepherds over them who will feed them; and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, nor shall they be lacking,’ says the LORD. ‘Behold, the days are coming,’ says the LORD, ‘That I will raise to David a Branch of righteousness; A King shall reign and prosper, And execute judgment and righteousness in the earth. In His days Judah will be saved, And Israel will dwell safely; Now this is His name by which He will be called: THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
“ ‘Therefore, behold, the days are coming,’ says the LORD, ‘that they shall no longer say, “As the LORD lives who brought up the children of Israel from the land of Egypt,” but, “As the LORD lives who brought up and led the descendants of the house of Israel from the north country and from all the countries where I had driven them.” And they shall dwell in their own land.’ ” (Jeremiah 23:3-8)

“ ‘I will cause the captives of Judah and the captives of Israel to return, and will rebuild those places as at the first. I will cleanse them from all their iniquity by which they have sinned against Me, and I will pardon all their iniquities by which they have sinned and by which they have transgressed against Me. Then it shall be to Me a name of joy, a praise, and an honor before all nations of the earth, who shall hear all the good that I do to them; they shall fear and tremble for all the goodness and all the prosperity that I provide for it.’
“Thus says the LORD: ‘Again there shall be heard in this place--of which you say, “It is desolate, without man and without beast”--in the cities of Judah, in the streets of Jerusalem that are desolate, without man and without inhabitant and without beast, the voice of joy and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom and the voice of the bride, the voice of those who will say: “Praise the LORD of hosts, For the LORD is good, For His mercy endures forever” -- and of those who will bring the sacrifice of praise into the house of the LORD. For I will cause the captives of the land to return as at the first,' says the LORD.
“Thus says the LORD of hosts: ‘In this place which is desolate, without man and without beast, and in all its cities, there shall again be a dwelling place of shepherds causing their flocks to lie down. In the cities of the mountains, in the cities of the lowland, in the cities of the South, in the land of Benjamin, in the places around Jerusalem, and in the cities of Judah, the flocks shall again pass under the hands of him who counts them,’ says the LORD.” (Jeremiah 33:7-13)

“But I will bring back Israel to his home, And he shall feed on Carmel and Bashan; His soul shall be satisfied on Mount Ephraim and Gilead. In those days and in that time," says the LORD, "The iniquity of Israel shall be sought, but there shall be none; And the sins of Judah, but they shall not be found; For I will pardon those whom I preserve.” (Jeremiah 50:19-20)

“ ‘For thus says the Lord GOD: ‘Indeed I Myself will search for My sheep and seek them out. As a shepherd seeks out his flock on the day he is among his scattered sheep, so will I seek out My sheep and deliver them from all the places where they were scattered on a cloudy and dark day. And I will bring them out from the peoples and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land; I will feed them on the mountains of Israel, in the valleys and in all the inhabited places of the country. I will feed them in good pasture, and their fold shall be on the high mountains of Israel. There they shall lie down in a good fold and feed in rich pasture on the mountains of Israel. I will feed My flock, and I will make them lie down,’ says the Lord GOD. ‘I will seek what was lost and bring back what was driven away, bind up the broken and strengthen what was sick; but I will destroy the fat and the strong, and feed them in judgment.’ ” (Ezekiel 34:11-16)

“ ‘I will bring back the captives of My people Israel; They shall build the waste cities and inhabit them; They shall plant vineyards and drink wine from them; They shall also make gardens and eat fruit from them. I will plant them in their land, And no longer shall they be pulled up From the land I have given them,’ Says the LORD your God.” (Amos 9:14-15)
Many imagine that this promise of a restoration of Israel to her ancient homeland was fulfilled in the return from Babylon. But that return did not include the ancient sub-kingdom of “Ephraim,” which, even to this day, has never returned. The return from Babylon was only the ancient sub-kingdom of Judah, and only a very small part of that.
Ephraim refers to the ten northern tribes, and is also referred to as Israel.
There is no prophecy that any particular group will return, nor that any particular number will return. The prophecy is all in terms of Israel and Judah and, therefore, is fulfilled if only a remnant of each returns, which they did. . .just as the promises to Israel in Romans 11:1-6 are fulfilled in a remnant (Romans 11:25).
God fulfilling his prophecie to Israel in a remnant is not a new thing.
For “Altogether the whole assembly was forty-two thousand three hundred and sixty, besides their male and female servants, of whom there were seven thousand three hundred and thirty-seven; and they had two hundred and forty-five men and women singers.” (Nehemiah 7:66-67) That is a total of only forty-nine thousand nine hundred and ninety two persons. By comparison, 2 Chronicles 17:12-19 informs us that, in the days of Jehoshaphat, the army of Judah was one million, one hundred and sixty thousand men, to say nothing of those that were not in the army. Compare this very small return with the return that God had promised:

“And you, son of man, prophesy to the mountains of Israel, and say, ‘O mountains of Israel, hear the word of the LORD! Thus says the Lord GOD: “Because the enemy has said of you, 'Aha! The ancient heights have become our possession,” ’ therefore prophesy, and say, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “Because they made you desolate and swallowed you up on every side, so that you became the possession of the rest of the nations, and you are taken up by the lips of talkers and slandered by the people”--therefore, O mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord GOD! Thus says the Lord GOD to the mountains, the hills, the rivers, the valleys, the desolate wastes, and the cities that have been forsaken, which became plunder and mockery to the rest of the nations all around--therefore thus says the Lord GOD: ‘Surely I have spoken in My burning jealousy against the rest of the nations and against all Edom, who gave My land to themselves as a possession, with whole-hearted joy and spiteful minds, in order to plunder its open country.’ ” Therefore prophesy concerning the land of Israel, and say to the mountains, the hills, the rivers, and the valleys, “Thus says the Lord GOD: ‘Behold, I have spoken in My jealousy and My fury, because you have borne the shame of the nations.’ Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: ‘I have raised My hand in an oath that surely the nations that are around you shall bear their own shame.
“But you, O mountains of Israel, you shall shoot forth your branches and yield your fruit to My people Israel, for they are about to come. For indeed I am for you, and I will turn to you, and you shall be tilled and sown. I will multiply men upon you, all the hiuse of Israel, all of it; and the cities shall be inhabited and the ruins rebuilt.” ’ ” (Ezekiel 36:1-10)
Here, we need to notice the words, “all the house of Israel, all of it.” In the Hebrew text, the word “כֹּל,” “kol” in our alphabet, is doubled, stressing that the meaning is absolutely all of “the house of Israel.” Yet the return from Babylon was only a very small part of “the house of Judah.”
In that case, it cannot be literal for either Israel or Judah, for "all the house" was no longer living, many generations having already died of each.
And not being literal, the prophecy is fulfilled if only a remnant returns, which again is not a new thing.
We also need to notice that the promised return was to “the mountains of Israel,” along with “the hills, the rivers, the valleys, the desolate wastes, and the cities that have been forsaken, which became plunder and mockery to the rest of the nations all around.” (Ezekiel 36:4)
Two things:
the promise was that the mountains shall produce fruit, not that they shall be inhabited, and
we have no way of knowing if those mountains were inhabited or not, nor the duration of such.
And eleven chapters later, God went so far as to define the future borders of that land.

“Thus says the Lord GOD: ‘These are the borders by which you shall divide the land as an inheritance among the twelve tribes of Israel. Joseph shall have two portions. You shall inherit it equally with one another; for I raised My hand in an oath to give it to your fathers, and this land shall fall to you as your inheritance. This shall be the border of the land on the north: from the Great Sea, by the road to Hethlon, as one goes to Zedad, Hamath, Berothah, Sibraim (which is between the border of Damascus and the border of Hamath), to Hazar Hatticon (which is on the border of Hauran). Thus the boundary shall be from the Sea to Hazar Enan, the border of Damascus; and as for the north, northward, it is the border of Hamath. This is the north side. On the east side you shall mark out the border from between Hauran and Damascus, and between Gilead and the land of Israel, along the Jordan, and along the eastern side of the sea. This is the east side. The south side, toward the South, shall be from Tamar to the waters of Meribah by Kadesh, along the brook to the Great Sea. This is the south side, toward the South. The west side shall be the Great Sea, from the southern boundary until one comes to a point opposite Hamath. This is the west side.’ ” (Ezekiel 47:13-20)

This is nothing less than the definition of a specific plot of real estate, first by description (chapter 36) and then by precisely specifying its borders. (chapter 47) Some people demand why we are so interested in a mere plot of real estate on the other side of the world. And the answer, of course, is, because God is so interested in it.
We can hardly overstress the fact that God has explicitly promised this specific plot of real estate to a particular “nation.” And that promise is unconditional.
Nor can we overstress the fact that God had explicitly promised basically this same plot of real estate personally to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob--each individually, and none of them possessed a foot of ground there (Acts 7:5), because, as we learn in Hebrews 11:13-16, the promise was not of physical land, but of spiritual land in the heavenly country, the heavenly city; i.e., the explicit promise was not literal.

And as the understanding is incorrect that the land promised to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the land promise of Genesis was literal, so the understanding is incorrect that the prophecy of Ezekiel is literal.
But in spite of all these explicitly stated scriptures,
"Explicit" is not the same as "literal." The land promise made to the patriarchs personally was most "explict," but it was not "literal."
And it is the same here.
there are many who imagine that this is only symbolic language. That when the prophetic scriptures say “Israel,” they mean “the church,” and when they speak of “the land,” they mean “heaven.”
You should familiarize yourself with Hebrews 11:13-16 where, the land promise made personally each to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Genesis 17:8, Genesis 26:3, 28:4, Genesis 35:12) to specific land--of which they never possessed a foot of ground (Acts 7:5), was fulfilled in the heavenly land, heavenly city.
Major sources of this erroneous notion that we have not yet examined are the scripture that says “Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, ‘In you all the nations shall be blessed.’ So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.” (Galatians 3:7-9) And another that says, “For the promise that he would be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise made of no effect, because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression. Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all.” (Romans 4:13-16)
Many reason that, since these scriptures plainly call those who share “the faith of Abraham,” his “sons,” then , when the prophetic scriptures say “Israel,” they mean “the church.” But the Bible does not say that being a child of Abraham by faith makes a person an Israelite.
The concept of being “an Israelite by faith” is not taught anywhere in the Bible.

This indeed, seems like a reasonable conclusion. But all such reasoning about the scriptures is dangerous. And this notion, which is nothing but mere human reasoning, leads to a seriously false conclusion, that “the church” is “spiritual Israel,” (a term found nowhere in the entire Bible)
Oh, but it is. . .in NT teaching, where

the new creation, which is the church, is "the Israel of God" (Galatians 6:15-16),
those who obey God's commands are Jews inwardly by heart circumcision (Romans 2:25-29),
those in Christ are Abraham's seed (Galatians 3:29), all of which through Isaac is Israel, and
the Israel and Judah with whom the New Covenant is made is the NT church (Hebrews 8:8).

The NT presents a Fulfillment Theology.
leads to a seriously false conclusion, that “the church” is “spiritual Israel,” (a term found nowhere in the entire Bible)
"Israel of God" is close enough (Galatians 6:16).
thus, that the promises made to the ancient “nation” of “Israel” actually belong to “the church.
Prophecy is subject to more than one interpretation.
This, as we have seen, is seriously wrong, because it makes God out to be a liar. God did not make these promises to His people generally, but to a specific ancient “nation.” And He promised to give that ancient “nation” a specific plot of real estate.
And that promise was fufilled under Solomon (1 Kings 4:21, 1 Kings 4:24-25).

We have no Biblical warrant for a second "fulfilling."
 
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[QUOTE="BABerean2,

Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.

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And this is what I see in 2 Cor 3:6 .

The KJV translates it as servants of a new testament .
The Greek word DIATHEKE , and there are many words that fit better , here , like Will , Covenant , Compact , and the best word is ARRANGEMENT .

I have yet to see where Paul says that the B O C is under a NEW COVENANT as Heb 8:8 says that the New Covenant will be made with Israel and with Judah .

Verse 11 -14 says that Israel is being ABOLISHED .

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So - your private interpretation of the meanings of a few scriptures negates God's explicit statements made in many scriptures? Who should we believe. You - or God?

God or John Nelson Darby?

God or Lewis Sperry Chafer ?

God or John Walvoord?

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Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?

(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)



The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?


1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants?


2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?


3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?


4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?


5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?


6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?


7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?


8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)


9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9)



10. Watch the YouTube video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.



Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.

Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:



“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”

Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.


Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”

Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.


John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…


"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”

John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25

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Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)

What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?

Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?

Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?

Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13?

Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?

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People like to think the whole Bible was written to them, so when they realized that, after Abraham, God was only talking to gentiles in Romans to Philemon, it is understandable they want to include themselves in the nation Israel.
Projecting?
 
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[QUOTE="BABerean2,

Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.

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And this is what I see in 2 Cor 3:6 .

The KJV translates it as servants of a new testament .
The Greek word DIATHEKE , and there are many words that fit better , here , like Will , Covenant , Compact , and the best word is ARRANGEMENT .

I have yet to see where Paul says that the B O C is under a NEW COVENANT as Heb 8:8 says that the New Covenant will be made with Israel and with Judah .

Verse 11 -14 says that Israel is being ABOLISHED .

dan p[/QUOTE]

(KJV+) WhoG3739 alsoG2532 hath made us ableG2427 G2248 ministersG1249 of the newG2537 testament;G1242 notG3756 of the letter,G1121 butG235 of the spirit:G4151 forG1063 theG3588 letterG1121 killeth,G615 butG1161 theG3588 spiritG4151 giveth life.G2227


G1242
διαθήκη
diathēkē
dee-ath-ay'-kay
From G1303; properly a disposition, that is, (specifically) a contract (especially a devisory will): - covenant, testament.
Total KJV occurrences: 33



What does the word "now" mean in the passage below?

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.


The NKJV consistently translates the Greek word diatheke as "covenant".

Jer_31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—

Mat_26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mar_14:24 And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.

Luk_22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

1Co_11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."

2Co_3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Heb_8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—

Heb_8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Heb_9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Heb_12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.


The 1599 Geneva Bible consistently translates the Greek word diatheke as "Testament", even where Jeremiah 31:31-34 is quoted word for word.

Heb 8:6 But nowe our hie Priest hath obteined a more excellent office, in as much as he is the Mediatour of a better Testament, which is established vpon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first Testament had bene vnblameable, no place should haue bene sought for the second.
Heb 8:8 For in rebuking them he saith, Beholde, the dayes will come, saith the Lorde, when I shall make with the house of Israel, & with the house of Iuda a newe Testament:
Heb 8:9 Not like the Testament that I made with their fathers, in the day that I tooke them by the hand, to leade them out of the land of Egypt: for they continued not in my Testament, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the Testament that I will make with the house of Israel, After those dayes, saith the Lord, I will put my Lawes in their minde, and in their heart I will write them, and I wil be their God, and they shalbe my people,
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teache euery man his neighbour and euery man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall knowe me, from the least of them to the greatest of them.
Heb 8:12 For I will bee mercifull to their vnrighteousnes, and I wil remember their sinnes and their iniquities no more.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith a new Testament, he hath abrogate the olde: nowe that which is disanulled and waxed olde, is ready to vanish away.

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"After the Lord returns" is your personal interpretation of prophecy, it is not in the land promise made personally to each Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.Fulfilled in the return from exile under Ezra.
Ephraim refers to the ten northern tribes, and is also referred to as Israel.
There is no prophecy that any particular group will return, nor that any particular number will return. The prophecy is all in terms of Israel and Judah and, therefore, is fulfilled if only a remnant of each returns, which they did. . .just as the promises to Israel in Romans 11:1-6 are fulfilled in a remnant (Romans 11:25).
God fulfilling his prophecie to Israel in a remnant is not a new thing.

In that case, it cannot be literal for either Israel or Judah, for "all the house" was no longer living, many generations having already died of each.
And not being literal, the prophecy is fulfilled if only a remnant returns, which again is not a new thing.
Two things:
the promise was that the mountains shall produce fruit, not that they shall be inhabited, and
we have no way of knowing if those mountains were inhabited or not, nor the duration of such.
Nor can we overstress the fact that God had explicitly promised basically this same plot of real estate personally to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob--each individually, and none of them possessed a foot of ground there (Acts 7:5), because, as we learn in Hebrews 11:13-16, the promise was not of physical land, but of spiritual land in the heavenly country, the heavenly city; i.e., the explicit promise was not literal.

And as the understanding is incorrect that the land promised to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the land promise of Genesis was literal, so the understanding is incorrect that the prophecy of Ezekiel is literal.
"Explicit" is not the same as "literal." The land promise made to the patriarchs personally was most "explict," but it was not "literal."
And it is the same here.
You should familiarize yourself with Hebrews 11:13-16 where, the land promise made personally each to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Genesis 17:8, Genesis 26:3, 28:4, Genesis 35:12) to specific land--of which they never possessed a foot of ground (Acts 7:5), was fulfilled in the heavenly land, heavenly city.
Oh, but it is. . .in NT teaching, where

the new creation which is the church is "the Israel of God" (Galatians 6:15-16),
those who obey God's commands are Jews inwardly by heart circumcision (Romans 2:25-29),
those in Christ are Abraham's seed (Galatians 3:29), all of which through Isaac is Israel, &
the Israel and Judah with whom the New Covenant is made is the NT church (Hebrews 8:8).

The NT presents a Fulfillment Theology.

"Israel of God" is close enough (Galatians 6:16).
Prophecy is subject to more than one interpretation.
And that promise was fufilled under Solomon (1 Kings 4:21, 1 Kings 4:24-25).

We have no Biblical warrant for a second "fulfilling."
You are pretending that simply believing what these prophecies EXPLICITLY say IN PLAIN WORDS, is "interpreting" them. And then, you are using YOUR INTERPRETATIONS of the meanings of other scriptures that never, even once, actually SAY what you claim they MEAN, as a lame excuse to deny the express statements of the scriptures I have quoted,
 
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And this is what I see in 2 Cor 3:6 .

The KJV translates it as servants of a new testament .
The Greek word DIATHEKE , and there are many words that fit better , here , like Will , Covenant , Compact , and the best word is ARRANGEMENT .

I have yet to see where Paul says that the B O C is under a NEW COVENANT as Heb 8:8 says that the New Covenant will be made with Israel and with Judah .

Verse 11 -14 says that Israel is being ABOLISHED .

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You are using your interpretation of the meaning of verse 13 as a lame excuse to deny what verses 8-12 explicitly say, in plain words.
 
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God or John Nelson Darby?

God or Lewis Sperry Chafer ?

God or John Walvoord?

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Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?

(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)



The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?


1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants?


2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?


3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?


4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?


5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?


6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?


7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?


8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)


9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9)



10. Watch the YouTube video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.



Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.

Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:



“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”

Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.


Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”

Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.


John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…


"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”

John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25

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Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)

What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?

Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?

Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?

Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13?

Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?

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You cannot quote EVEN ONE scripture that actually SAYS what you are claiming these sriptures MEAN. So - yes it is GOD that I believe, not the wrested teachings of mere mortals.
 
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You are pretending that simply believing what these prophecies EXPLICITLY say IN PLAIN WORDS, is "interpreting" them. And then, you are using YOUR INTERPRETATIONS of the meanings of other scriptures that never, even once, actually SAY what you claim they MEAN, as a lame excuse to deny the express statements of the scriptures I have quoted,
The same as God's words to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob regarding his land promise to them personally were quite EXPLICITLY stated IN PLAIN WORDS, and yet they were not literal, as the NT teaches in Hebrews 11:13-16, where the promise was to the heavenly land and heavenly city, not to earthly land as EXPLICITLY stated IN PLAIN WORDS in Genesis.

And you are interpreting literally the promise of the same land in Ezekiel, which promise of that land has already been fulfilled under Solomon (1 Kings 4:21, 1 Kings 4:24-25).

Explicit promises do not mean literal promises, as you assume, and as is demonstrated in the explicit promise to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob, which Hebrews 11:13-16 reveals was not literal.
 
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You cannot quote EVEN ONE scripture that actually SAYS what you are claiming these sriptures MEAN. So - yes it is GOD that I believe, not the wrested teachings of mere mortals.

I do not expect anyone to believe me, or believe you.

I am looking for the unbiased witnesses on this forum who can read the truth, which is plainly written in the Word of God.

Since you have claimed in the past to be the greatest living apologist for John Nelson Darby, you are not an unbiased witness.


Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.

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You are using your interpretation of the meaning of verse 13 as a lame excuse to deny what verses 11-12 explicitly ay, in plain words.
(KJV+) WhoG3739 alsoG2532 hath made us ableG2427 G2248 ministersG1249 of the newG2537 testament;G1242 notG3756 of the letter,G1121 butG235 of the spirit:G4151 forG1063 theG3588 letterG1121 killeth,G615 butG1161 theG3588 spiritG4151 giveth life.G2227


G1242
διαθήκη
diathēkē
dee-ath-ay'-kay
From G1303; properly a disposition, that is, (specifically) a contract (especially a devisory will): - covenant, testament.
Total KJV occurrences: 33



What does the word "now" mean in the passage below?

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.


The NKJV consistently translates the Greek word diatheke as "covenant".

Jer_31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—

Mat_26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mar_14:24 And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.

Luk_22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

1Co_11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."

2Co_3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Heb_8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—

Heb_8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Heb_9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Heb_12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.


The 1599 Geneva Bible consistently translates the Greek word diatheke as "Testament", even where Jeremiah 31:31-34 is quoted word for word.

Heb 8:6 But nowe our hie Priest hath obteined a more excellent office, in as much as he is the Mediatour of a better Testament, which is established vpon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first Testament had bene vnblameable, no place should haue bene sought for the second.
Heb 8:8 For in rebuking them he saith, Beholde, the dayes will come, saith the Lorde, when I shall make with the house of Israel, & with the house of Iuda a newe Testament:
Heb 8:9 Not like the Testament that I made with their fathers, in the day that I tooke them by the hand, to leade them out of the land of Egypt: for they continued not in my Testament, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the Testament that I will make with the house of Israel, After those dayes, saith the Lord, I will put my Lawes in their minde, and in their heart I will write them, and I wil be their God, and they shalbe my people,
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teache euery man his neighbour and euery man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall knowe me, from the least of them to the greatest of them.
Heb 8:12 For I will bee mercifull to their vnrighteousnes, and I wil remember their sinnes and their iniquities no more.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith a new Testament, he hath abrogate the olde: nowe that which is disanulled and waxed olde, is ready to vanish away.

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And the Greek word NOW / NYNI Means at this m0ment and is an adverb and a also a DEMONSTRATIVE ADVERB which means , or things that have being previously mentioned , BUT , , and Now means NOW .

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I do not expect anyone to believe me, or believe you.

I am looking for the unbiased witnesses on this forum who can read the truth, which is plainly written in the Word of God.

Since you have claimed in the past to be the greatest living apologist for John Nelson Darby, you are not an unbiased witness.


Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.

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I most certainly did NOT claim to be the greatest living apologist the J. N. Darby. What I said was that I honestly believed that I knew the doctrine of J. N. Darby better than any other living person.

But my doctrine is not based on what Darby taught. Unlike others, I do not get my doctrine from what mere mortals thought, but from what God said.

It is utter nonsense to argue truth on the basis of human opinions. The only thing that counts is what God actually said.

I have repeatedly pointed out that you keep posting opinions about what scriptures mean. But the scriptures you keep quoting never, even once, actually SAY what you interpret them to MEAN.

On the other hand, I keep posting scriptures that actually SAY precisely what I am pointing out.

Thus, our debate is between what the Bible actually SAYS and what you INTERPRET parts of it to MEAN.
 
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I most certainly did NOT claim to be the greatest living apologist the J. N. Darby. What I said was that I honestly believed that I knew the doctrine of J. N. Darby better than any other living person.

But my doctrine is not based on what Darby taught. Unlike others, I do not get my doctrine from what mere mortals thought, but from what God said.

It is utter nonsense to argue truth on the basis of human opinions. The only thing that counts is what God actually said.

I have repeatedly pointed out that you keep posting opinions about what scriptures mean. But the scriptures you keep quoting never, even once, actually SAY what you interpret them to MEAN.

On the other hand, I keep posting scriptures that actually SAY precisely what I am pointing out.

Thus, our debate is between what the Bible actually SAYS and what you INTERPRET parts of it to MEAN.


Are you going to claim the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 has not been fulfilled yet.


Jer_31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—



Mat_26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mar_14:24 And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.

Luk_22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

1Co_11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."

2Co_3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Heb_8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—

Heb_8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Heb_9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Heb_12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

(NKJV)
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