Purpose of the sabbath

[LoveGodsWord]

You have told us what the end of the verse below does not mean.
Please tell us what it does mean.

Col 2:17 which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body is of the Christ;


Are you claiming Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob all kept a Sabbath day, even though the word "Sabbath" is never found in the scriptures along with their names?
Yes. Abraham kept the commandments God gave him, but the word "Sabbath" is not one of them.


Deuteronomy 5:3 proves the ten commandments were not given at an earlier time.


You claim Jesus kept the Sabbath day of rest, even though He also worked on the Sabbath day.
The High Priests did work on the Sabbath day, so He did not break the Sabbath.
As you have pointed out, He is the Lord of the Sabbath.
Based on 1 Peter 2:4-10, we are priests in the New Covenant. Therefore, I can work on the Sabbath day, and I do when I teach a Bible class to those in my church body.


Can you explain why you and Paul do not agree in Galatians 4:24-31, when Paul clearly told the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage"?


Can you explain the word "obsolete" in Hebrews 8:13.


Why are we not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18, but we are come instead to the New Covenant of Mount Zion in Hebrews 12:22-24? Is this passage clearly contrasting the two covenants?


If I asked you to check my mailbox while I am on vacation from one Sabbath to another Sabbath, what would that mean to you?

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Already answered in a detailed scripture response in post # 240 linked. You did not read it did you. Now please tell me from the post you are quoting from here that you also did not address; How can God's 4th commandment be a "shadow law of things to come" (Colossians 2:17) when God's "seventh day" Sabbath points backwards to creation (Exodus 20:10; Genesis 2:1-3) and not forward to things to come or the body of Christ because it was made before sin, and before shadow laws were needed in Gods' plan of salvation and before the need for Gods' plan of salvation when mankind did not need saving (see post # 253 linked)? I also asked you what you think made up the old covenant and what you think the new covenant is. I am still waiting for a reply.

 

[BNR32FAN]

27Then Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made to meet the needs of people, and not people to meet the requirements of the Sabbath. 28So the Son of Man is Lord, even over the Sabbath!”

I think the Sabbath may have been instituted so that employers could not work their employees 7 days a week.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I think the Sabbath may have been instituted so that employers could not work their employees 7 days a week.

No, it is a memorial of creation and a celebration of God as the creator of heaven and earth. Read the scriptures (Exodus 20:8-11 pointing backwards to Genesis 2:1-3). "Remember (memorial because God knew we would forget it) the Sabbath day to keep it holy" - Exodus 20:10. It is God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken according to Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and James 2:10-11.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I think the Sabbath may have been instituted so that employers could not work their employees 7 days a week.

We do not need to guess why it was instituted, God not only spoke it, He wrote it down so there should be no confusion.

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Isaiah 58: “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,
14 Then you shall delight yourself in the Lord;
And I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth,
And feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father.
The mouth of the Lord has spoken.”

 

[BABerean2]

Already answered in a detailed scripture response in post # 240 linked. You did not read it did you.

I cannot find anything in your link about the end of Colossians 2:17.

Col 2:17 which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body is of the Christ;


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[BNR32FAN]

No, it is a memorial of creation and a celebration of God as the creator of heaven and earth. Read the scriptures (Exodus 20:8-11 pointing backwards to Genesis 2:1-3). "Remember (memorial because God knew we would forget it) the Sabbath day to keep it holy" - Exodus 20:10. It is God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken according to Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and James 2:10-11.

This would mean that the Sabbath was made for God not fit man.

 

[BNR32FAN]

We do not need to guess why it was instituted, God not only spoke it, He wrote it down so there should be no confusion.

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Isaiah 58: “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,
14 Then you shall delight yourself in the Lord;
And I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth,
And feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father.
The mouth of the Lord has spoken.”

I don’t see how any of this contradicts what I said.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I don’t see how any of this contradicts what I said.

The commandment is to keep the Sabbath Holy. “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy In doing that we cease from our work. Keeping it holy is the precedence and ceasing from work allows us to keep God's Sabbath day holy. The Sabbath is about communion with our Savior on the day He sanctified and blessed.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

No, You are ignoring the questions, the facts to fit your predetermine conclusion.

Something you might not of thought of was they were pagans that converted to Judaism and then Christianity. Because the verses up to and including verse 8 are speaking to those who were in bondage to the elements of the world, under the Law, under it's tutorage. The word "we" in verses 3 and 5 and "ye" and "thou" in verses 6 and 7 respectively dictate this and there is no way around that.

Gal 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Gal 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
Gal 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

Not ignoring anything. Bondage is sin. I asked you what you thought 4:8 meant...the Jewish God or the pagan gods...it is clearly pagan gods because he says God (not gods) in the same sentence.

 

[BABerean2]

We do not need to guess why it was instituted, God not only spoke it, He wrote it down so there should be no confusion.

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Isaiah 58: “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,
14 Then you shall delight yourself in the Lord;
And I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth,
And feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father.
The mouth of the Lord has spoken.”

Heb 12:18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, (Mount Sinai)
Heb 12:19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
Heb 12:20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
Heb 12:21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake
Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.


Do you understand the contrast between the two covenants in the passage above?

Are you still at Mount Sinai?

Do you think your relationship with God is based on some percentage of yours works? Did you see the "blood" in verse 24 above? Are you under the blood or are you under Mount Sinai?

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[BNR32FAN]

The commandment is to keep the Sabbath Holy. “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy In doing that we cease from our work. Keeping it holy is the precedence and ceasing from work allows us to keep God's Sabbath day holy. The Sabbath is about communion with our Savior on the day He sanctified and blessed.

But He didn’t say anything about worshipping on the Sabbath, He said remember not to work on it. The word Holy means to set apart, to consecrate, to keep sacred. It means it’s not to be treated as just any day of the week, but it doesn’t mean that we must worship. If we must worship then the Sabbath is for God not for man.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Heb 12:18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, (Mount Sinai)
Heb 12:19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
Heb 12:20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
Heb 12:21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake
Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.


Do you understand the contrast between the two covenants in the passage above?

Are you still at Mount Sinai?

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It certainly is not doing away with God's eternal commandments so we are free to murder, steal, covet, worship other gods or break God's Sabbath day. There is nothing that says that. In contrast, you left out some context:

Hebrews 10:16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,”

God placed His laws in our hearts and we obey because of our love for Him and in our minds which is through our actions.

Why would you not want to obey God? Or not tell the truth, or do no harm to our neighbors through false witness, murder and coveting. Why would you not want to use God's name in a sacred way or only worship God and not want to hallow God's holy day?

Do you see what you're arguing against here? God's holy law that God kept in the Most holy of His temple now written in our hearts and minds. Our bodies are a dwelling place for the Holy Spirit, I would not want to remove God's laws which Jesus provides us the Holy Spirit so we can keep them. John 14-15-18, Acts 5:32

 

[SabbathBlessings]

But He didn’t say anything about worshipping on the Sabbath, He said remember not to work on it. The word Holy means to set apart, to consecrate, to keep sacred. It means it’s not to be treated as just any day of the week, but it doesn’t mean that we must worship. If we must worship then the Sabbath is for God not for man.

Is that what it says? Exodus 20:8“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy

Why are you so opposed to keeping God's Sabbath holy? You can do what you wish as we all have free will, but God only blessed, sanctified and made holy the seventh day. Those words seem like they go hand in hand with worship more than a day God deemed to do all our work and labor. Exodus 20:9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, plus we will continue worshipping Jesus (like we should now) from one Sabbath to another on the New Earth Isaiah 66:23 for eternity, like God already promised. Exodus 31:16, Psalms 89:34

 

[BNR32FAN]

Is that what it says? Exodus 20:8“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy

Why are you so opposed to keeping God's Sabbath holy? You can do what you wish as we all have free will, but God only blessed, sanctified and made holy the seventh day. Those words seem like they go hand in hand with worship more than a day God deemed to do all our work and labor. Exodus 20:9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, plus we will continue worshipping Jesus (like we should now) from one Sabbath to another on the New Earth Isaiah 66:23 for eternity, like God already promised. Exodus 31:16, Psalms 89:34

Im not opposed to keeping the Sabbath holy. I don’t work on Sunday. I’m doing exactly as He commanded.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Im not opposed to keeping the Sabbath holy. I don’t work on Sunday. I’m doing exactly as He commanded.

I'm glad to hear you are not opposed to obeying one of God's commandments. I honestly look forward to every Sabbath as a way of connecting a full 24 hours with our Savior. While I worship God every day, the Sabbath is God's special time. God bless.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Actually that is not true Carl. I actually did answer all your posts including your post # 258 in the bottom section of post # 259 linked. If you read my post you would know this.

I checked again - you did NOT answer the question.

If you want some credibility I suggest you answer it.

While you are at it, answer the questions in #260

 

[BABerean2]

Do you see what you're arguing against here? God's holy law that God kept in the Most holy of His temple now written in our hearts and minds. Our bodies are a dwelling place for the Holy Spirit, I would not want to remove God's laws which Jesus provides us the Holy Spirit so we can keep them. John 14-15-18, Acts 5:32

If we could keep the commandments perfectly, why did Paul have to correct Peter in the passage below?

Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

Why did Paul correct Peter? It was because Peter had perverted the Gospel.

Anyone who thinks some percentage of their salvation is based on their own works has also perverted the Gospel in the same way.

Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?


Did you receive the Spirit through your works of the law?

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[Carl Emerson]

How can God's 4th commandment be a "shadow law of things to come" (Colossians 2:17) when God's "seventh day" Sabbath points backwards to creation (Exodus 20:10; Genesis 2:1-3) and not forward to things to come or the body of Christ

Easy - because God is outside of time. The seventh day of creation is not backwards in time, it IS

 

[Danthemailman]

Anyone who thinks some percentage of their salvation is based on their own works has also perverted the Gospel in the same way.

Sadly, there are plenty of people who believe their salvation rests on their works (at least to some degree). Salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works" is a "different" gospel. (Galatians 1:6-9)

 

[SabbathBlessings]

If we could keep the commandments perfectly, why did Paul have to correct Peter in the passage below?

Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

Why did Paul correct Peter? It was because Peter had perverted the Gospel.

Anyone who thinks some percentage of their salvation is based on their own works has also perverted the Gospel in the same way.

Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?


Did you receive the Spirit through your works of the law?

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That was a quick change. I am not opposed to keeping God's laws to saying we cannot keep God's laws. This passage is not doing away with God's laws. What is impossible to keep on our own is possible with God, for those who want to. Not saying we will not be forgiven if we stumble. But if we sin willfully after knowing the truth, there remains no more sacrifice. Hebrews 10:26