Catholic House Democrats prepare to send bishops 'statement of principles' on Communion vote

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Catholic House Democrats prepare to send bishops 'statement of principles' on Communion vote

"WASHINGTON — A group of Catholic Democrats in the House of Representatives is preparing a "statement of principles" to be released after a vote June 17 by the American Catholic bishops on a proposal to draft a document on the Eucharist that taps into ongoing debate regarding Communion and politicians who back abortion rights.

A representative for U.S. Rep. Rosa DeLauro, a Connecticut Democrat, confirmed the document exists and is forthcoming but did not offer details as to its content or signers."

Do Catholic Democrats not let their faith affect their politics at all? One wonders what the point of being a Catholic politician is if they only undermine Catholicism in their chosen profession.

 

[Freth]

I'm not Catholic, obviously, but I don't think it's up to us to deny Jesus to anyone. The Catholics have a different view on this, I know, but we are not called to turn people away from Him.

 

[civilwarbuff]

I am not Catholic either but if the Catholic faith is strongly pro-life as they claim and Communion is, as they believe, the very essence of the Blood and Body of Christ, why should any pro-abortion Catholic be allowed to take Communion? Personally I equate that with denying the Resurrection while still claiming to be Christian......IMHO that is.......

 

[civilwarbuff]

@Ignatius the Kiwi might I suggest this be moved to the Christian Only forum?

 

[GodsGrace101]

I'm not Catholic, obviously, but I don't think it's up to us to deny Jesus to anyone. The Catholics have a different view on this, I know, but we are not called to turn people away from Him.

What view do you think catholics have on communion?

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

@Ignatius the Kiwi might I suggest this be moved to the Christian Only forum?

Wait a minute, this is in the Christian only forum isn't it?

 

[Marc Munday]

Catholic House Democrats prepare to send bishops 'statement of principles' on Communion vote

"WASHINGTON — A group of Catholic Democrats in the House of Representatives is preparing a "statement of principles" to be released after a vote June 17 by the American Catholic bishops on a proposal to draft a document on the Eucharist that taps into ongoing debate regarding Communion and politicians who back abortion rights.

A representative for U.S. Rep. Rosa DeLauro, a Connecticut Democrat, confirmed the document exists and is forthcoming but did not offer details as to its content or signers."

Do Catholic Democrats not let their faith affect their politics at all? One wonders what the point of being a Catholic politician is if they only undermine Catholicism in their chosen profession.

Are you looking for an opinion of a man as it would be yes most the time but from Gods view it would be no as Jesus Christ's very own disciple Judas who betrayed himself never stopped him dipping the bread with him and eating and drinking. God uses these deceitful people to fulfill a purpose.

 

[Freth]

What view do you think catholics have on communion?

This explains it better than I can.

Wikipedia: According to the Catholic Church doctrine receiving the Eucharist in a state of mortal sin is a sacrilege and only those who are in a state of sanctifying grace - the absence of mortal sin (which deprives one of sanctifying grace)- can receive it.​

Also see the Catholic website for more details on their view of the subject.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Catholic House Democrats prepare to send bishops 'statement of principles' on Communion vote

"WASHINGTON — A group of Catholic Democrats in the House of Representatives is preparing a "statement of principles" to be released after a vote June 17 by the American Catholic bishops on a proposal to draft a document on the Eucharist that taps into ongoing debate regarding Communion and politicians who back abortion rights.

A representative for U.S. Rep. Rosa DeLauro, a Connecticut Democrat, confirmed the document exists and is forthcoming but did not offer details as to its content or signers."

Do Catholic Democrats not let their faith affect their politics at all? One wonders what the point of being a Catholic politician is if they only undermine Catholicism in their chosen profession.

I'm considering voting no...

Because what if Catholic politicians are 'standing down' on abortion, because they realize that's the only way to get a foot in and get at least some Catholic/Christian principles into the political arena.

...What if they're waiting for a more opportune time to act on abortion, while keeping their true opinions secret?

If that were the case, it might be wise.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Wait a minute, this is in the Christian only forum isn't it?

Yep, you're right.....my bad.......

 

[Oompa Loompa]

I'm not Catholic, obviously, but I don't think it's up to us to deny Jesus to anyone. The Catholics have a different view on this, I know, but we are not called to turn people away from Him.

They cannot deny Jesus to anyone, but the church does have the right to deny church membership to those who not only deliberately and unapologetically live in mortal sin, but condone others in doing the same.

 

[pdudgeon]

Ok, a couple of points here;
1.Jesus knew beforehand who would betray Him.
2. Satan did not enter Judas until After he had received the body and blood.
3. It was after satan had entered Judas that Jesus directed him to go and betray Him.
4. So when Judas received the body and blood, he received worthily, as a follower of the Lord.
So just as our priests know that we are human, and thus subject to temptation, they receive us. And they know that after receiving, we could once again be subject to temptation. But that does not stop them from offering us the body and blood.
It is our own obstainance in willingly, publicly persevering in sin that is the stopping point.

 

[civilwarbuff]

4. So when Judas received the body and blood, he received worthily, as a follower of the Lord.

While the other points can be debated this one can't be right. Judas had already plotted and agreed to betray Jesus.....Matthew 26 14-16.

Matthew 26:14-16

 

[pdudgeon]

I'm considering voting no...

Because what if Catholic politicians are 'standing down' on abortion, because they realize that's the only way to get a foot in and get at least some Catholic/Christian principles into the political arena.

...What if they're waiting for a more opportune time to act on abortion, while keeping their true opinions secret?

If that were the case, it might be wise.

Are you talking about them being "wolves in sheep's clothing", saying that they are against abortion when in reality they support it? Or just the opposite?
Either way is deception, and a mortal sin. So either way, they could not rightly receive.
That predicament also points back to the purpose of baptism and cleansing from one's old sinfull life: enter dirty, come out clean.
Even after baptism as we participate in the Affairs of the World, we are bound to have some of it's dirt and corruption brush off onto us.
Recognizing that fact, we are aware of our state, are urged by what we are taught to change and renew our original intentions: to be clean once more before The Lord.
So we come before Him either as hobbled lambs, or as wolves in sheep's clothing.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

I'm considering voting no...

Because what if Catholic politicians are 'standing down' on abortion, because they realize that's the only way to get a foot in and get at least some Catholic/Christian principles into the political arena.

...What if they're waiting for a more opportune time to act on abortion, while keeping their true opinions secret?

If that were the case, it might be wise.

I might believe that, if Catholic politicians ever spoke out against abortion in the moral sense. Only pro-life Democrats who are Catholic do that and they are not in positions of power within the party. So they never do speak against abortion and when confronted on how they reconcile it with their Catholic faith, they punt the issue and say it's a private matter and they support a woman's conscience to abort her unborn baby. I've never seen Nancy Pelosi say abortion is immoral, I think at most she's said abortion is a tragedy. Why she considers it a tragedy who knows.

They are surprisingly libertarian on this issue, an issue which their religion teaches is a grave moral sin.

The sense by which they regard the issue is never from the religious perspective but the liberal or privacy side of the debate. So I don't think Catholic Democrats are waiting for their chance to limit abortion, they do the opposite and advance efforts on behalf of the progressive left to expand abortion. Joe Biden wants to do away with the Hyde amendment and let tax dollars directly fund abortion.

 

[pdudgeon]

So the act of a Priest refusing a person the body and blood is not an act of judgement, but one of mercy.
Essentially by refusing the Eucharist, the Priest is gently reminding the person that they have been invited to a wedding supper, but they are not yet washed and clothed in such a manner as to honor the bride and the groom.
That refusal is an act of mercy, and should be seen as such.
For the potential communicant to choose instead to receive a private, spiritual communion between them and God is to be preferred, until the time when full repentance and restoration can be achieved.

 

[iarwain]

What view do you think catholics have on communion?

From what I understand, if you disagree with Church doctrine, you cannot be offered Communion, because you are then not "in communion" with the church. To quote from the below article (emphasis mine):

"Similarly, Catholics who don’t follow the Church’s laws on divorce and remarriage, or who obstinately reject Church teaching, such as the inherent evil of abortion, shouldn’t come forward to receive Communion because they’re no longer in communion."

Who Can Receive Holy Communion in the Catholic Church - dummies

 

[tulc]

Wait a minute, this is in the Christian only forum isn't it?

I agree though, that this might be better in the Catholic only forum if for no other reason then I'm not sure how noncatholics opinions about the Catholic church and communion wont just lead to some serious arguing which, while those who know me know I don't have a lot of trouble with arguing about things, I'm not sure this wont eventually become a fight over Catholics vrs Protestants. And that's never very pretty.
tulc(just a thought)

 

[pdudgeon]

While the other points can be debated this one can't be right. Judas had already plotted and agreed to betray Jesus.....Matthew 26 14-16.

Matthew 26:14-16

Yes, he had that thought. But the telling point here is that he did come to the Supper. So at that point he may have had thoughts about the matter, but he did not do the deed until after he received, and after satan entered him.
A sin is not sin until it is committed.

 

[pdudgeon]

Until that point of commitment, the act is only a temptation, and can still be resisted and turned away from.