Believe in Jesus and you will be saved

[Jesus is YHWH]

Isaiah 41:22 "Let them bring forth and show us what will happen; Let them show the former things, what they were, That we may consider them, And know the latter end of them; Or declare to us things to come. NKJV]

Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done, Saying, 'My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,' NKJV

If one knows how a thing began then we know how it will end.

Genesis 2: 17 God told Adam not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil or he would surely die. Genesis 3:17 Adam believed Eve and ate the forbidden fruit.

Sin and death began when Adam did not believe God.

Genesis 15:6 Abraham was accounted righteous when he believed God.

Isaiah 28: 16 Whoever believes in the cornerstone will not be put to shame.

The OT message was believe God and be saved. When one believes God they have repented of the original sin.

1 Peter 1: 20-21 through Jesus we believe in God.

1John 5:10 he who believes in the Son has the witness in himself. He who does not believe has called God a liar.

Salvation is guaranteed as long as one believes in Jesus. When we believe, trusting in His completed work, we come in as a child trusting the Father. By realizing that Jesus has done all that is needed for salvation we are giving Him all the praise, glory and honor that is due Him. If we claim that we need to do anything other than believe, we are taking some of Jesus' glory.

To bring God glory and honor we will repent of all sin. That shows God and the world that we love Him more than the world or worldly pleasures. The pleasures of the flesh are far far less than the pleasures of being a loved child of God. To love God with all one's heart, mind ,soul and strength is what He deserves. No work is done for salvation. Any work done is to bring Him glory, honor and praise.

Is Jesus God ?

 

[Clare73]

This means to keep the two, not to ignore the others.

Straw man. . .

You can't ignore the others and keep the two.

 

[Clare73]

Most people don't distinguish between keeping the 2, and trying your best to keep the 2.

They assume these 2 are equivalent.

No assumption. . .the NT teaches that obeying Jesus' two commands (Matthew 22:37-41)
is keeping the Decalogue (Romans 13:8-10).

No assumption here. . .only unbelief of Romans 13:8-10.

 

[Clare73]

James expressed His faith by his works, so
his works were what his faith in the person and work of Jesus Christ looked like.

Please specificy how James' works looked like faith in the NT person and work of Jesus Christ as distinct from OT faith in God.

 

[Clare73]

My 1st reply to your post was about this position you placed in a post:
""sanctification leads to holiness"".
I shared 2 bible dictionary definitions in 2 separate posts that disagree with your repeated position/teaching: ""sanctification leads to holiness"".
I'll make another attempt to clarify. The word HOLY is [like salvation] a position.
That's done 100% by the Lord & isn't earned of worked for.

And that puts you denying the authoritative NT teaching I presented and which you refuse to address.

Non-responsive.

Sanctification and holiness mean the same thing.
The process of holiness leads to actual holiness, just as
the process of sanctification leads to actual sanctification, and
the process of sanctification leads to actual holiness,
a process we are everywhere commanded in the NT to engage, and
which process leads to holiness according to Romans 6:19, 22; 2 Corinthians 7:1.

". . .be holy in all you do; for it is written: 'Be holy, because I am holy--Lev 11:44-45.' "
(1 Peter 1:15-16)

". . .called to be holy" (1 Corinthians 1:2)

. . .slaves to sin which leads to death. . .slaves to obedience which leads to righteousness."
(Romans 6:16)

"Just as you used to offer parts of your body in slavery to impurity, so now
offer your body in slavery to righteousness leading to holiness." (Romans 6:19)

Now that you have. . .become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness.
(Romans 6:22)

". . .let us purify ourselves from everthing that contaminates body and spirit,
perfecting (completing) holiness out of reverence for God. (2 Corinthians 7:1)

"Live as children of light (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth)"
(Ephesians 5:9)

"It is God's will that you be sanctified. . ." (1 Thessalonians 4:3)

"May God himself. . .sanctify you through and through." (1 Thessalonians 5:23)

". . .pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness." (1 Timothy 6:11)

". . .pursue righteusness, faith, love and peace. . ." (2 Timothy 2:22)

". . .all Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for. . .training in righteousness." (2 Timothy 3:16)

"God disciplines us for our good that we may share in his holiness. . . discipline produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it." (Hebrews 12:10-11)

"die to sin and live for righteousness" (1 Peter 2:24)

"everyone who does what is right has been born of him." (1 John 2:29)

"he who does what is right is righteous. . .he does what is sinful is of the devil," (1 John 3:7)

"Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means!" (Romans 6:1)

"Do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desire." (Romans 6:12)

"Do not offer the parts of your body to sin. . .Offer them to God as instruments of righteousness." (Romans 6:13)

"Without holiness, no one will see the Lord." (Hebrews 12:14)

 

[BrotherJJ]

And that puts you denying the authoritative NT teaching I presented and which you refuse to address.

I did speak to what you said.

I'll make another attempt to clarify. The word HOLY is [like salvation] a position.
That's done 100% by the Lord & isn't earned of worked for.

Others reading this exchange can make their own decision as to which is accurate.

The Temple had HOLY vessels, utensils, a holy place & the holy of holies.

QUESTION: What act of good works or will did the vessels, utensils of sanctuaries do to be called holy?

ANSWER: None! They were purified by being anointed with oil (the oil was a foreshadow of the Holy Spirit) this anointing with oil set apart/sanctified/made holy the vessels & utensils.

Ex 40:9 And thou shalt take the anointing oil, and anoint the tabernacle, and all that is therein, and shalt hallow it, and all the vessels thereof: and it shall be holy.

When a believer places their faith in Jesus sin atoning sacrifice & resurrection. Christ baptizes/anoints the believer with His Holy Spirit.

At this moment of the Christ's Holy Spirit Anointing the believer is: Saved/justified=declared righteous/sanctified & holy all in ONE anointing.

It's a God given position Paul refers to many times as "in Christ".

We are now saved/justified = judicially declared righteous by a sovereign God. Sanctified = separated/set apart, for a HOLY purpose/work.

We are not holy because of any work we do. We are holy because Jesus bought/took our sin & all it's due judgments.

Jesus anoints us with His Holy Spirit (a gift Acts 2:38 & 10:45), forgiving ALL our sins, freely imputing us with the gift of righteousness (Rom:4:6, 22 & 5:17), the gift of eternal life (Rom 6:23). Gifts are given & not earned/worked for.

Deut 7:
6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

8 But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
(MY NOTE: The were called HOLY because the LORD loved, choose & set them apart/sanctified them, for a purpose/work. Also see Deut 14:2)

All praise, glory & honor belong to our great God & Savior, Jesus.

 

[Clare73]

I did speak to what you said.

Don't see the following texts specifically addressed anywhere:

Sanctification and holiness mean the same thing.
The process of holiness leads to actual holiness, just as
the process of sanctification leads to actual sanctification, and
the process of sanctification leads to actual holiness,
a process we are everywhere commanded in the NT to engage, and
which process leads to holiness according to Romans 6:19, 22; 2 Corinthians 7:1.

". . .be holy in all you do; for it is written: 'Be holy, because I am holy--Lev 11:44-45.' "
(1 Peter 1:15-16)

". . .called to be holy" (1 Corinthians 1:2)

. . .slaves to sin which leads to death. . .slaves to obedience which leads to righteousness."
(Romans 6:16)

"Just as you used to offer parts of your body in slavery to impurity, so now
offer your body in slavery to righteousness leading to holiness." (Romans 6:19)

Now that you have. . .become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness.
(Romans 6:22)

". . .let us purify ourselves from everthing that contaminates body and spirit,
perfecting (completing) holiness out of reverence for God. (2 Corinthians 7:1)

"Live as children of light (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth)"
(Ephesians 5:9)

"It is God's will that you be sanctified. . ." (1 Thessalonians 4:3)

"May God himself. . .sanctify you through and through." (1 Thessalonians 5:23)

". . .pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness." (1 Timothy 6:11)

". . .pursue righteusness, faith, love and peace. . ." (2 Timothy 2:22)

". . .all Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for. . .training in righteousness." (2 Timothy 3:16)

"God disciplines us for our good that we may share in his holiness. . . discipline produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it." (Hebrews 12:10-11)

"die to sin and live for righteousness" (1 Peter 2:24)

"everyone who does what is right has been born of him." (1 John 2:29)

"he who does what is right is righteous. . .he does what is sinful is of the devil," (1 John 3:7)

"Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means!" (Romans 6:1)

"Do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desire." (Romans 6:12)

"Do not offer the parts of your body to sin. . .Offer them to God as instruments of righteousness." (Romans 6:13)

"Without holiness, no one will see the Lord." (Hebrews 12:14)

 

[Soyeong]

Please specificy how James' works looked like faith in the NT person and work of Jesus Christ as distinct from OT faith in God.

Jesus is God, so faith in him is not distinct from faith in God in the OT. They looked in faith to the promised Redeemer in the same way that we do.

 

[Clare73]

Jesus is God, so faith in him is not distinct from faith in God in the OT.

But is NT saving faith in Jesus as Messiah distinct from OT faith in God?

They looked in faith to the promised Redeemer in the same way that we do.

And now that the Messiah/Redeemer has come, is the faith in God of Orthodox Jews who obey the law and reject Jesus Christ saving faith?

 

[d taylor]

"Word for word" translation is not neccessary to understand the Scriptures, what is necessary is "meaning for meaning" of the words to understand them, and that is not impossible.

So precisely what does saving "faith in Jesus Christ" mean--belief that he existed?

If you are not trusting/counting on his sacrifice (blood) to pay the penalty for your sin,
then your sin is not forgiven and you are not justified/saved.
So "put your money where your mouth is," demonstrate your principle and answer my question:

What other areas of the Bible do you consult to know that "God is three persons in one God?"

Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one

 

[Soyeong]

But is NT saving faith in Jesus as Messiah distinct from OT faith in God?

No. Jesus is the exact expression of God's nature (Hebrews 1:3).

And now that the Messiah/Redeemer has come, is the faith in God of Orthodox Jews who obey the law and reject Jesus Christ saving faith?

That is contradictory. OT faith in God is also faith in Jesus, who is the same God.

 

[Guojing]

No assumption. . .the NT teaches that obeying Jesus' two commands (Matthew 22:37-41)
is keeping the Decalogue (Romans 13:8-10).

No assumption here. . .only unbelief of Romans 13:8-10.

Do you keep these 2 commandments every day?

 

[Clare73]

And now that the Messiah/Redeemer has come, is the faith in God of Orthodox Jews who obey the law and reject Jesus Christ a saving faith?

That is contradictory. . .faith in God is also faith in Jesus, who is the same God.

Not according to the NT!!!

Oh, WOW!. . .just WOW!

All those Jews who had Jesus murdered also believed in God, and even murdered Jesus in the name of God. . .and they are saved?

And so Jesus words are a lie (John 3:18)?
And the words of the apostle John are a lie (John 3:36)?

So you can deny/reject Jesus Christ and still be saved?

Anathema! (curem)

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one

One God , 3 Persons- Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

 

[Clare73]

Do you keep these 2 commandments every day?

And you want to know this, why?

 

[Guojing]

And you want to know this, why?

Because no one can.

 

[Clare73]

Because no one can.

And if that's true, then that would include me, wouldn't it?

 

[Soyeong]

Not according to the NT!!!

Oh, WOW!. . .just WOW!

All those Jews who had Jesus murdered also believed in God, and even murdered Jesus in the name of God. . .and they are saved?

And so Jesus words are a lie (John 3:18)?
And the words of the apostle John are a lie (John 3:36)?

So you can deny/reject Jesus Christ and still be saved?

Anathema! (curem)

I didn't say that or deny John 3:18 or 3:36 or that people can reject Jesus Christ and still be saved. Kindly stop trying to put words in my mouth and keep you anathema to yourself.

 

[Guojing]

And if that's true, then that would include me, wouldn't it?

Yes of course, as I said, there is a difference between keeping the 2, and trying your best to keep the 2.

But if you insist that you are actually keeping the 2, so be it.

 

[BrotherJJ]

Don't see the following texts specifically addressed anywhere.

I made 1 observation which you keep refusing to address.

I'll make another attempt to clarify. The word HOLY is [like salvation] a position.
That's done 100% by the Lord & isn't earned of worked for.

Others reading this exchange can make their own decision as to which is accurate.

The Temple had HOLY vessels, utensils, a holy place & the holy of holies.

QUESTION: What act of good works or will did the vessels, utensils of sanctuaries do to be called holy?

ANSWER: None! They were purified by being anointed with oil (the oil was a foreshadow of the Holy Spirit) this anointing with oil set apart/sanctified/made holy the vessels & utensils.

Ex 40:9 And thou shalt take the anointing oil, and anoint the tabernacle, and all that is therein, and shalt hallow it, and all the vessels thereof: and it shall be holy.

When a believer places their faith in Jesus sin atoning sacrifice & resurrection. Christ baptizes/anoints the believer with His Holy Spirit.

At this moment of the Christ's Holy Spirit Anointing the believer is: Saved/justified=declared righteous/sanctified & holy all in ONE anointing.

It's a God given position Paul refers to many times as "in Christ".

We are now saved/justified = judicially declared righteous by a sovereign God. Sanctified = separated/set apart, for a HOLY purpose/work.

We are not holy because of any work we do. We are holy because Jesus bought/took our sin & all it's due judgments.

Jesus anoints us with His Holy Spirit (a gift Acts 2:38 & 10:45), forgiving ALL our sins, freely imputing us with the gift of righteousness (Rom:4:6, 22 & 5:17), the gift of eternal life (Rom 6:23). Gifts are given & not earned/worked for.

Deut 7:
6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

8 But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
(MY NOTE: The were called HOLY because the LORD loved, choose & set them apart/sanctified them, for a purpose/work. Also see Deut 14:2)

All praise, glory & honor belong to our great God & Savior, Jesus.