Royal Caribbean's Launch Of Its New Megaship Just Got Sidelined By COVID Cases

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Royal Caribbean's Launch Of Its New Megaship Just Got Sidelined By COVID Cases
Royal Caribbean's new megaship, Odyssey of the Seas, was supposed to hail the company's return to business as near-usual this summer. But the ship's launch is now delayed after eight crew members tested positive for the coronavirus. Its first scheduled trips are now canceled.

The Odyssey of the Seas had been slated to make its debut sail with paying passengers on July 3 — more than a year after the pandemic hobbled the cruise ship industry. Its first voyage is now delayed for four weeks, until July 31. By then, summer will be nearly halfway over.
 

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Get a covid sniffing dog out on the docks to sniff everyone as they board when they come available.

Alternatively, they could require vaccination before boarding and of all staff.
 
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Alternatively, they could require vaccination before boarding and of all staff.
That will be less effective than a dog that can tell who has it as vaccinated people can be infected and spread it to other vaccinated people.
 
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Look at breakthrough cases for a start, I'm not going to waste time researching an argument that will be summarily dismissed as you did with my dog sniffer one just now.
yes but your argument is grounded in a false reality.
 
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Look at breakthrough cases for a start, I'm not going to waste time researching an argument that will be summarily dismissed as you did with my dog sniffer one just now.

1. Vaccinated people are unlikely to get infected, so if exposed to an infected person on board, the number of additionally infected people will be much less (by about 10-fold), reducing the size of the outbreak.

2. Vaccinated people who do get infected have on average less virus that they can transmit. This reduces the impact an vaccinated infected person has on others relative to a non-vaccinated infected person.

3. Vaccinated passengers and crew are less likely to bring the disease onboard in the first place, reducing the likelihood and scope of an outbreak.

Concern that a safety measure is not 100% effective and responding by dismissing it isn't reasonable. This is like saying that since railings don't prevent all falls from the balcony, we should remove them and instead get a parrot that says "Man overboard!" if there is a fall.
 
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....Concern that a safety measure is not 100% effective and responding by dismissing it isn't reasonable. This is like saying that since railings don't prevent all falls from the balcony, we should remove them and instead get a parrot that says "Man overboard!" if there is a fall.
Can you guarantee the parrot will function 100% of the time?
 
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1. Vaccinated people are unlikely to get infected, so if exposed to an infected person on board, the number of additionally infected people will be much less (by about 10-fold), reducing the size of the outbreak.

2. Vaccinated people who do get infected have on average less virus that they can transmit. This reduces the impact an vaccinated infected person has on others relative to a non-vaccinated infected person.

3. Vaccinated passengers and crew are less likely to bring the disease onboard in the first place, reducing the likelihood and scope of an outbreak.

Concern that a safety measure is not 100% effective and responding by dismissing it isn't reasonable. This is like saying that since railings don't prevent all falls from the balcony, we should remove them and instead get a parrot that says "Man overboard!" if there is a fall.
Lots of guessing here words like less likely and not 100% leaves upon a possibility that they will have another outbreak even with vaccinated people and an outbreak where most folks are not symptomatic is worse that with symptoms as it can go on unabated. You will end up having to test people that aren't supposed to be infected to find out who are infected and would like to just have a dog take a sniff of everyone and point them out to keep vaccinated asymptomatic people OFF the boat to begin with.
 
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Lots of guessing here words like less likely and not 100% leaves upon a possibility that they will have another outbreak even with vaccinated people and an outbreak where most folks are not symptomatic is worse that with symptoms as it can go on unabated. You will end up having to test people that aren't supposed to be infected to find out who are infected and would like to just have a dog take a sniff of everyone and point them out to keep vaccinated asymptomatic people OFF the boat to begin with.

I'm not saying pre-boarding testing wouldn't be useful (and it probably should be done). We have a well established and quick technology for that called PCR. It's been part of our collective consciousness for 15 months now. I'm not sure why your bringing in a non-scalable and questionable canine method instead.

No matter how you test boarding persons, exposed people who have not yet developed enough virus to test positive could still get on board and vaccination is *still* the best way to be sure.
 
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I'm not saying pre-boarding testing wouldn't be useful (and it probably should be done). We have a well established and quick technology for that called PCR. It's been part of our collective consciousness for 15 months now. I'm not sure why your bringing in a non-scalable and questionable canine method instead.

No matter how you test boarding persons, exposed people who have not yet developed enough virus to test positive could still get on board and vaccination is *still* the best way to be sure.
The detection dogs test is more sensitive than real-time PCR in screening for SARS-CoV-2 | Communications Biology
 
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