Was the Crucifixion really on a Friday?

[cfposter]

See this.

Six Days Before the Passover (John 12:1) - Appendix to the Companion Bible

I saw your link. Problem is that they still have Jesus out and about after the 10th day. That can't happen. Jesus is to be apprehended and separated from the sheep from the 10th until He is crucified.

 

[Davy]

I saw your link. Problem is that they still have Jesus out and about after the 10th day. That can't happen. Jesus is to be apprehended and separated from the sheep from the 10th until He is crucified.

I find the summary very accurate according to Scripture.

Maybe the problem is with your theory? Many make the mistake not only with forgetting the Hebrew reckoning for a day has to be used, and also forget that as required per the Old Testament the first day of the feast was to be a 'high day', a Sabbath other than the normal weekly sabbath. Thus that week there were 2 sabbaths, the high sabbath on the 15th Nisan and then the normal weekly sabbath starting Friday evening at sunset to Saturday sunset.

 

[cfposter]

Watched the video and saw it wasn't worth continuing.

The guy says that we claim that the New Moon is the Sabbath right around the 2:10 mark. That is simply not true. He doesn't even know the concept of the Lunar week. The Sabbath is the 8th, 15th, 22nd and 29th. The New moon is separate.

 

[cfposter]

I find the summary very accurate according to Scripture.

Maybe the problem is with your theory?

My theory. Well let me ask you, if Jesus is the Passover Lamb, then when is the Passover lamb supposed to be TAKEN from the SHEEP and then KEPT?

Exo 12:3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:
Exo 12:4 And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb.
Exo 12:5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
Exo 12:6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

In the verses above, to take it from the sheep, doesn't mean to just select it. The work means to take it from the sheep so that it is no longer with those sheep. Then it is to be kept up. This means it is confined apart from the sheep.

Too many have lessened the burden that Christ actually endured (I'm sure we all have) but even more so but not understanding these events.

As for 6 days before they arrived in Bethany, Understand that the 7th day before would be on the 7th day of the Month or 6th day of the week which was the Triumphal entry. That night they would have gone into Bethany which would now be the 8th day of the month. On the morrow of that day Jesus "cleanses" the Temple (still 8th day of Month and a Sabbath Day). Then the next day is the Nineth day when the Olivet Prophecies occur and then when the night comes after that it is the 10th day when Jesus is apprehened at night and then on the morrow (still the 10th), he is given the verdict to be Crucified. He is not released from custody but confined until the Crucifixion on the 14th.

 

[Davy]

Watched the video and saw it wasn't worth continuing.

The guy says that we claim that the New Moon is the Sabbath right around the 2:10 mark. That is simply not true. He doesn't even know the concept of the Lunar week. The Sabbath is the 8th, 15th, 22nd and 29th. The New moon is separate.

If the 10th Nisan was a sabbath (Friday sunset to Saturday sunset), and was six days before the passover like John 12 shows, then...

10th (Friday sunset to Saturday sunset)
11th (Saturday sunset to Sunday sunset)
12th (Sunday sunset to Monday sunset)
13th (Monday sunset to Tuesday sunset)
14th (Tuesday sunset to Wednesday sunset) - the Preparation Day - the Crucifixion at evening.
15th (Wednesday sunset to Thursday sunset) - the High Day, a High Sabbath per the feast.
16th (Thursday sunset to Friday sunset)
17th (Friday sunset to Saturday sunset) - normal weekly sabbath.
18th (Saturday sunset to Sunday sunset) - 1st day of the week, sometime after sunset Saturday Jesus rose.

 

[Davy]

My theory. Well let me ask you, if Jesus is the Passover Lamb, then when is the Passover lamb supposed to be TAKEN from the SHEEP and then KEPT?

Exo 12:3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:
Exo 12:4 And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb.
Exo 12:5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
Exo 12:6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

In the verses above, to take it from the sheep, doesn't mean to just select it. The work means to take it from the sheep so that it is no longer with those sheep. Then it is to be kept up. This means it is confined apart from the sheep.

Too many have lessened the burden that Christ actually endured (I'm sure we all have) but even more so but not understanding these events.

As for 6 days before they arrived in Bethany, Understand that the 7th day before would be on the 7th day of the Month or 6th day of the week which was the Triumphal entry. That night they would have gone into Bethany which would now be the 8th day of the month. On the morrow of that day Jesus "cleanses" the Temple (still 8th day of Month and a Sabbath Day). Then the next day is the Nineth day when the Olivet Prophecies occur and then when the night comes after that it is the 10th day when Jesus is apprehened at night and then on the morrow (still the 10th), he is given the verdict to be Crucified. He is not released from custody but confined until the Crucifixion on the 14th.

On the Preparation Day is when the passover lamb is to be killed per that, and that is what relates to Lord Jesus' crucifixion as the Passover Lamb substitute. He was crucified at evening on the preparation day, and they rushed to bury His body just prior to sunset, because beginning at sunset would begin the first day of the feast, the 15th Nisan. Thus Jesus was crucified on the 14th Nisan at evening, which is per the Scripture passover requirement.

 

[cfposter]

On the Preparation Day is when the passover lamb is to be killed per that, and that is what relates to Lord Jesus' crucifixion as the Passover Lamb substitute. He was crucified at evening on the preparation day, and they rushed to bury His body just prior to sunset, because beginning at sunset would begin the first day of the feast, the 15th Nisan. Thus Jesus was crucified on the 14th Nisan at evening, which is per the Scripture passover requirement.

I'm in agreement with that. However, you need to understand the selection of the Lamb and confinement were also prophetic of when Jesus would be apprehended and confined. I think you need to understand that nowhere in your Bible does it say that Jesus will be in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights.

 

[cfposter]

If the 10th Nisan was a sabbath (Friday sunset to Saturday sunset), and was six days before the passover like John 12 shows, then...

10th (Friday sunset to Saturday sunset)
11th (Saturday sunset to Sunday sunset)
12th (Sunday sunset to Monday sunset)
13th (Monday sunset to Tuesday sunset)
14th (Tuesday sunset to Wednesday sunset) - the Preparation Day - the Crucifixion at evening.
15th (Wednesday sunset to Thursday sunset) - the High Day, a High Sabbath per the feast.
16th (Thursday sunset to Friday sunset)
17th (Friday sunset to Saturday sunset) - normal weekly sabbath.
18th (Saturday sunset to Sunday sunset) - 1st day of the week, sometime after sunset Saturday Jesus rose.

Here is the breakdown:
First know that a day begins at sundown and not evening - so rather nightfall. And that the week is based on the Lunar Calendar, day 2 of the month is actually the first day of the week since the first day of the month is a New Moon.

6th day of week (7th of Month) - Triumphal entry
7th day of week (8th of Month - Sabbath day ) - Jesus Cleanses the Temple
1st day of the week (9th of Month) - Olivet prophecy - last supper readied
2nd day of the week (10th of month - preparation of the Passover) -
-NIGHT - Jesus eats Last Supper - Jesus apprehended in Garden.
-DAY - Barrabas and Jesus presented together and Jews select Jesus to be Crucified.
3rd - 5th day (11 - 13 of Month) - Jesus confined carrying the burden of all men as the Scapegoat (Sign of Jonah's days and 3 nights).
6th day (14 of month - Preparation Day) - Jesus led into wilderness to be crucified and crucified and dies in the evening.
7th day (15th of month - Feast of Unleavened Bread) - Jesus is in the tomb
1st day (16th of month - Jesus is Risen and this is the Feast of Firstfruits).

 

[Davy]

I'm in agreement with that.

Okay.

However, you need to understand the selection of the Lamb and confinement were also prophetic of when Jesus would be apprehended and confined.

Not okay.

Wasn't it enough for Lord Jesus to die on the cross to become our Passover sacrificed for us, like Apostle Paul said? I think it was. So why add those other requirements for the lamb in Egypt being pent up? Isn't His crucifixion on the required time enough for us to believe?

I think you need to understand that nowhere in your Bible does it say that Jesus will be in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights.

Matt 12:40
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
KJV

You obviously need to do more reading in The New Testament Scriptures, like that above, especially before you make wild statements like you did about those three days and three nights.

 

[cfposter]

Okay.



Not okay.

Wasn't it enough for Lord Jesus to die on the cross to become our Passover sacrificed for us, like Apostle Paul said? I think it was. So why add those other requirements for the lamb in Egypt being pent up? Isn't His crucifixion on the required time enough for us to believe?



Matt 12:40
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
KJV

You obviously need to do more reading in The New Testament Scriptures, like that above, especially before you make wild statements like you did about those three days and three nights.

The verse you mentioned is a great test verse to see who looks at it from the earthly and those that look at it from the Heavenly.

Should a man be literally born again as well:

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

The events leading up to Christ's crucifixion is what is recorded in Bible Scripture. Witnesses against those events are not.

This is one of best scholarly summaries of those days I've found:

Six Days Before the Passover (John 12:1) - Appendix to the Companion Bible

You don't get it do you. The scripture relating the eyewitness account on the road to Emmaus IS IN scripture....that are there for a reason...and it proves a Wednesday crucifixion impossible

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

The verse you mentioned is a great test verse to see who looks at it from the earthly and those that look at it from the Heavenly.

Should a man be literally born again as well:

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

You likely do not understand that either

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I saw your link. Problem is that they still have Jesus out and about after the 10th day. That can't happen. Jesus is to be apprehended and separated from the sheep from the 10th until He is crucified.

No, He was inspected for flaws by the Rabbis just as the lambs were for 4 days...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Watched the video and saw it wasn't worth continuing.

The guy says that we claim that the New Moon is the Sabbath right around the 2:10 mark. That is simply not true. He doesn't even know the concept of the Lunar week. The Sabbath is the 8th, 15th, 22nd and 29th. The New moon is separate.

I see, so you think you know more than a leading Orthodox Jewish Rabbi regarding Judaism...I know no Jews that believe in the lunar Sabbath theory myth...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

My theory. Well let me ask you, if Jesus is the Passover Lamb, then when is the Passover lamb supposed to be TAKEN from the SHEEP and then KEPT?

Exo 12:3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:
Exo 12:4 And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb.
Exo 12:5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
Exo 12:6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

In the verses above, to take it from the sheep, doesn't mean to just select it. The work means to take it from the sheep so that it is no longer with those sheep. Then it is to be kept up. This means it is confined apart from the sheep.

Too many have lessened the burden that Christ actually endured (I'm sure we all have) but even more so but not understanding these events.

As for 6 days before they arrived in Bethany, Understand that the 7th day before would be on the 7th day of the Month or 6th day of the week which was the Triumphal entry. That night they would have gone into Bethany which would now be the 8th day of the month. On the morrow of that day Jesus "cleanses" the Temple (still 8th day of Month and a Sabbath Day). Then the next day is the Nineth day when the Olivet Prophecies occur and then when the night comes after that it is the 10th day when Jesus is apprehened at night and then on the morrow (still the 10th), he is given the verdict to be Crucified. He is not released from custody but confined until the Crucifixion on the 14th.

It NEVER says that lamb is "imprisoned". You are to CARE for it and it is to be inspected for defects. Yeshua stayed in Jerusalem and was inspected...He was selected by the people when He rode in to Jerusalem...you are spinning bubbe-meises...

 

[cfposter]

You don't get it do you. The scripture relating the eyewitness account on the road to Emmaus IS IN scripture....that are there for a reason...and it proves a Wednesday crucifixion impossible

I agree that is a good point since they confirm that was the 3rd day since those events occurred and we know that is the 1st day of the week.

 

[ViaCrucis]

I was able to read the first link. It's wrong but I was able to at least get to it.

Okay, now defend that position.

Why is it wrong?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[cfposter]

No, He was inspected for flaws by the Rabbis just as the lambs were for 4 days...

No that is not what the text says. The lamb is to be TAKEN from the sheep or the goats and KEPT. Nothing in the verse says to be inspected.

 

[Der Alte]

It NEVER says that lamb is "imprisoned". You are to CARE for it and it is to be inspected for defects. Yeshua stayed in Jerusalem and was inspected...He was selected by the people when He rode in to Jerusalem...you are spinning bubbe-meises...

"Bubbe-meises!" Glaubs du das?

 

[cfposter]

I see, so you think you know more than a leading Orthodox Jewish Rabbi regarding Judaism...I know no Jews that believe in the lunar Sabbath theory myth...

I pointed out he was WRONG and that is about those that are Christians and when we believe the Sabbath's took place according to the Lunar Calendar. And since I already quoted previously that Philo was a Rabbi that taught the phases of the moon establishs the Sabbaths, I would surely appeal to him than some modern Rabbi regarding Judaism in the first century AD.