Was the Crucifixion really on a Friday?

[cfposter]

It's not. The day called "Friday" is the sixth day of the week. The seven day week has no basis in a solar calendar. The seven day week has its origins in the ancient lunar calendars of the Ancient Near East. Our solar calendar's use of the weekly seven day cycle is a left-over from those ancient lunar calendars.



False. Saturday is the name given to the seventh day of the seven day weekly cycle, the same weekly cycle used in the lunar calendar used by Judaism. The seventh day of the week always falls on the seventh day of the week, and the Sabbath is the seventh day of the week.



The very concept of the week, a cycle of seven days, is based upon the lunar phases. It doesn't matter if you use the Gregorian Calendar or the Jewish Calendar, the days of the week are the same.

As I am typing this, it is the second day of the week, Monday. Right now, in the same timezone, it is also the second day of the week on the Jewish calendar. Because it's the same week.

There's no such thing as a "solar week". Searching for "solar week" on Google results in fun weeks of the year set aside for teaching fun sun science facts. So could you explain where you're getting this idea of a "solar week" from?

-CryptoLutheran

I think you need to look up the origin of the modern names of the days of the week. There is NO WAY, the ancient Jews, used those names in their calendar.

 

[cfposter]

Here is some truth:

Philo Judaeus, was a Hellenistic Jewish philosopher who lived in Alexandria,

Philo - Wikipedia


More scripture please.

Are you saying because he was a Hellenistic Jew, that he is less credible?

 

[cfposter]

For those that don't believe the Bible mentioned the FULL moon as the instrument of appointing the times, look at the following verse and see that is specifically shows that the FEAST day is on the FULL moon. That can't happen consistently following a solar calendar.

Psa 81:3 Blow up the trumpet in the new moon, in the time appointed, on our solemn feast day.

The word "appointed" above means "FULL MOON".

כּסה / כּסא
kese' / keseh
BDB Definition:
1) full moon
Part of Speech: noun masculine

 

[cfposter]

Tiberius 16th year was in 29/30 AD.
Africanus says that would be the 2nd year of the 202nd Olympiad.

Do the math:

29 - (201 * 4) - 2 + 1 = -776 BC

Let me explain the math.
29 is 29 AD
201 is what I use in place of 202 since Olympiads start at 1 and not 0
-2 is because it is the second year of the 202nd Olympiad
+1 is because there is no year 0

The answer is 776 for 776 BC which is the known year for when the Olympiads started.

Africanus went on to say there was an eclipse in the 4 year of the 202nd Olympiad like no other, which put that time during the Crucifixion. 29 + 2 = 31 AD - meaning the Crucifixion was in 32 AD.

 

[Davy]

Everyone who has studied the topic of the Crucifixion has heard that Christ was crucified on a Friday. I'm not disputing that as I don't have enough information to dispute it.

However, the often accepted date is Friday April 3rd of 33 AD (Juilian).

The problem with that date is that Friday of April 3rd is NOT the 14th day of the month per true reckoning of the Lunar month.

That day would actually be the 15th day of the Month if that Lunar month is regarded as the first month of the year.

Although many calendars will reference that Friday (Apr 3rd , 33AD) as the 14th of Nissan, it is in error.

Consider the following:

A Biblical Jewish day began when Night came and ended with the Evening hours completed. So we have:

Night - Morning - Day - Evening

Now they observed the days per a Lunar Calendar. The moon has its morning (beginning) when the sun has set. This means the sign of the moon that rises with the oncoming Night is the indicator of the beginning of the RESPECTIVE Day of the Month.

The first SLIVER of Light that the month incurred BEGAN the night of 3/20/33. That was the commencement of the 2nd Day of the Month and the 1st day of the week. Now consider that the Passover is actually on the 14th day of the Month and you will find that the 14th day actually begins the night of 4/1.

This means if Passover occurred that month - it would have been on the Day of 4/2 which is a Thursday and not a Friday crucifixion.

This is WHY KNOWING when a Day begins and ends is very important to getting it right.

Your assumption is correct, Lord Jesus was crucified at the exact time required for the passover sacrifice, at evening on the preparation day (Wednesday evening prior to sunset).

Matt 27:59-62
59 And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,

60 And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed.

61 And there was Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary, sitting over against the sepulchre.

62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
KJV

Then His body was in the tomb for literally 3 days and 3 nights. Then He rose sometime early Sunday morning before dawn.

The day/night reckoning has to be according to the Hebrew reckoning. The night began at sunset to dawn, and the day period from dawn to sunset.

 

[cfposter]

Your assumption is correct, Lord Jesus was crucified at the exact time required for the passover sacrifice, at evening on the preparation day (Wednesday evening prior to sunset).

Matt 27:59-62
59 And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,

60 And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed.

61 And there was Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary, sitting over against the sepulchre.

62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
KJV

Then His body was in the tomb for literally 3 days and 3 nights. Then He rose sometime early Sunday morning before dawn.

The day/night reckoning has to be according to the Hebrew reckoning. The night began at sunset to dawn, and the day period from dawn to sunset.

Here is the problem with that... If He was in the Tomb for 3 days and 3 nights then how can He be crucified on the Preparation Day for the Feast of Unleavened Bread and still be raised on the Day of First Fruits? Prep day is the 14th, Feast is 15th and Firstfruits is the 16th.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

(Wednesday evening prior to sunset).

The eyewitnesses on the road to Emmaus prove that scenario impossible...

 

[Davy]

Here is the problem with that... If He was in the Tomb for 3 days and 3 nights then how can He be crucified on the Preparation Day for the Feast of Unleavened Bread and still be raised on the Day of First Fruits? Prep day is the 14th, Feast is 15th and Firstfruits is the 16th.

There's no problem. Everything happened according to the events in God's Word, even the time of Lord Jesus' sacrifice as a replacement for the passover lamb.

Ex 12:6
6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
KJV

14th Nissan, at evening, the passover lamb was to be killed, and the Israelites were to spread its blood on their doorposts and eat it that night (after sunset). So like you said, the preparation day is the 14th of Nissan. At sunset on the preparation day, the 15th of Nissan would begin.

1 Cor 5:7
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
KJV

 

[Der Alte]

I think you need to look up the origin of the modern names of the days of the week. There is NO WAY, the ancient Jews, used those names in their calendar.

This is true but deceptive. It is evident that in Israel at the time of Jesus the week days did have names, one name is mentioned, "parasceue" which in Greek means "preparation." In Hebrew the names of the weekdays are
Rishon-Sunday
Sheni-Monday
Shlishi-Tuesday
Revi’i-Wednesday
Chamishi-Thursday
Shishi-Friday
Shabbat-Saturday
Greek
the Lord’s day” or Κυριακή and the rest of the days simply by numbering, counting from Sunday as the first day:
Δευτέρα (The Second) – Monday,
Τρίτη (The Third) – Tuesday,
Τετάρτη (The Fourth) – Wednesday,
Πέμπτη (The Fifth) – Thursday,
Παρασκευή (The Day of Preparation)
Saturday – Σάββατο (Sabbath)

 

[Davy]

The eyewitnesses on the road to Emmaus prove that scenario impossible...

The early Church of Rome have their traditions, along with those Churches that follow them. But God's Word stands as its own proof.

 

[cfposter]

There's no problem. Everything happened according to the events in God's Word, even the time of Lord Jesus' sacrifice as a replacement for the passover lamb.

Ex 12:6
6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
KJV

14th Nissan, at evening, the passover lamb was to be killed, and the Israelites were to spread its blood on their doorposts and eat it that night (after sunset). So like you said, the preparation day is the 14th of Nissan. At sunset on the preparation day, the 15th of Nissan would begin.

1 Cor 5:7
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
KJV

Still don't see how that is 3 days and 3 nights. Of course I don't believe it is 3 days and 3 nights since I believe in the Spiritual understanding of the Sign of Jonah.

 

[cfposter]

This is true but deceptive. It is evident that in Israel at the time of Jesus the week days did have names, one name is mentioned, "parasceue" which in Greek means "preparation." In Hebrew the names of the weekdays are
Rishon-Sunday
Sheni-Monday
Shlishi-Tuesday
Revi’i-Wednesday
Chamishi-Thursday
Shishi-Friday
Shabbat-Saturday
Greek
the Lord’s day” or Κυριακή and the rest of the days simply by numbering, counting from Sunday as the first day:
Δευτέρα (The Second) – Monday,
Τρίτη (The Third) – Tuesday,
Τετάρτη (The Fourth) – Wednesday,
Πέμπτη (The Fifth) – Thursday,
Παρασκευή (The Day of Preparation)
Saturday – Σάββατο (Sabbath)

And the DECEPTIVE part is? (Smelling another Ad hominem here).

 

[Davy]

Still don't see how that is 3 days and 3 nights. Of course I don't believe it is 3 days and 3 nights since I believe in the Spiritual understanding of the Sign of Jonah.

Jesus said three days and three nights, and that is how it was, but per the Hebrew reckoning, not the secular calendar reckoning. All one has to do is count back from Sunday when He rose, but using the Hebrew reckoning, which is from sunset to sunset for a 24 hour period. The night watch per God's Word was broken down into 3 watches, so there's one Biblical proof that a night period is not a day period.


"Watches Of Night

The Jews, like the Greeks and Romans, divided the night into military watches instead of hours, each watch representing the period for which sentinels or pickets remained on duty. The proper Jewish reckoning recognized only three such watches, entitled the first or "beginning of the watches," Lam 2:19, the middle watch, Judg 7:19, and the morning watch. Ex 14:24; 1 Sam 11:11. These would last respectively from sunset to 10 P.M.; from 10 P.M. to 2 A.M.; and from 2 A.M. to sunrise. After the establishment of the Roman supremacy, the number of watches was increased to four, which were described either according to their numerical order, as in the case of the "fourth watch," Matt 14:25, or by the terms "even," "midnight," "[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]-crowing" and "morning." Mark 13:35. These terminated respectively at 9 P.M., midnight, 3 A.M. and 6 A.M."
(from Smith's Bible Dictionary, PC Study Bible formatted electronic database Copyright © 2003, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)

 

[cfposter]

Jesus said three days and three nights, and that is how it was, but per the Hebrew reckoning, not the secular calendar reckoning. All one has to do is count back from Sunday when He rose, but using the Hebrew reckoning, which is from sunset to sunset for a 24 hour period. The night watch per God's Word was broken down into 3 watches, so there's one Biblical proof that a night period is not a day period.


"Watches Of Night

The Jews, like the Greeks and Romans, divided the night into military watches instead of hours, each watch representing the period for which sentinels or pickets remained on duty. The proper Jewish reckoning recognized only three such watches, entitled the first or "beginning of the watches," Lam 2:19, the middle watch, Judg 7:19, and the morning watch. Ex 14:24; 1 Sam 11:11. These would last respectively from sunset to 10 P.M.; from 10 P.M. to 2 A.M.; and from 2 A.M. to sunrise. After the establishment of the Roman supremacy, the number of watches was increased to four, which were described either according to their numerical order, as in the case of the "fourth watch," Matt 14:25, or by the terms "even," "midnight," "[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]-crowing" and "morning." Mark 13:35. These terminated respectively at 9 P.M., midnight, 3 A.M. and 6 A.M."
(from Smith's Bible Dictionary, PC Study Bible formatted electronic database Copyright © 2003, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)

So where do you put Jesus at on the 11th, 12th and 13th of the month?

 

[ViaCrucis]

I think you need to look up the origin of the modern names of the days of the week. There is NO WAY, the ancient Jews, used those names in their calendar.

I honestly can't tell if everything I've said has gone over your head or if you are just messing with me. On the chance that you are being sincere here allow me to respond clearly:

No one has said that ancient Jews used the modern English names of the days of the week.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Der Alte]

And the DECEPTIVE part is? (Smelling another Ad hominem here).

Another person who does not know what an "ad hominem" is. I said "this," i.e. the post, "is deceptive." Ain't no "ad hom" there amigo.
I don't think anyone thinks that in ancient Israel the days of the week had the same names we have in the U.S. but the week days did have names, as I have shown. When posting it is easier and quicker to say simply e.g. "Sunday" instead of the longer "The day we call Sunday." I have had to learn the days of the week, the months etc.in two languages beside English, German when I was 12 and Korean when I was 30ish.

 

[cfposter]

Another person who does not know what an "ad hominem" is. I said "this," i.e. the post, "is deceptive." Ain't no "ad hom" there amigo.
I don't think anyone thinks that in ancient Israel the days of the week had the same names we have in the U.S. but the week days did have names, as I have shown. When posting it is easier and quicker to say simply e.g. "Sunday" instead of the longer "The day we call Sunday." I have had to learn the days of the week, the months etc.in two languages beside English, German when I was 12 and Korean when I was 30ish.

I still don't see what was stated that was deceptive. That leaves an "ad hominem".

 

[Der Alte]

I still don't see what was stated that was deceptive. That leaves an "ad hominem".

From reading your post one could get the idea that you were saying the days of the week did not have names, at all, in ancient times.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Tiberius 16th year was in 29/30 AD.
Africanus says that would be the 2nd year of the 202nd Olympiad.

Do the math:

29 - (201 * 4) - 2 + 1 = -776 BC

Let me explain the math.
29 is 29 AD
201 is what I use in place of 202 since Olympiads start at 1 and not 0
-2 is because it is the second year of the 202nd Olympiad
+1 is because there is no year 0

The answer is 776 for 776 BC which is the known year for when the Olympiads started.

Africanus went on to say there was an eclipse in the 4 year of the 202nd Olympiad like no other, which put that time during the Crucifixion. 29 + 2 = 31 AD - meaning the Crucifixion was in 32 AD.

This is what 32 AD looks like: Hebrew Calendar

Look at the month of Nisan.

See a problem? I do.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

Another person who does not know what an "ad hominem" is. I said "this," i.e. the post, "is deceptive." Ain't no "ad hom" there amigo.
I don't think anyone thinks that in ancient Israel the days of the week had the same names we have in the U.S. but the week days did have names, as I have shown. When posting it is easier and quicker to say simply e.g. "Sunday" instead of the longer "The day we call Sunday." I have had to learn the days of the week, the months etc.in two languages beside English, German when I was 12 and Korean when I was 30ish.

I don't think deceptive is the right word. Irrelevant is a better fit.

It's irrelevant what we call the days of the week, and so bringing it up is pointless. If done as an intentional red herring, that would be deceptive; but that would also involve attributing motive--which may be unfair.

-CryptoLutheran