Was the Crucifixion really on a Friday?

[HARK!]

For that are of the LAW, will be judged by the LAW, so yes if you don't want to except Christ and the New Covenant, then every jot and tittle will not pass and those under the LAW will be judged by it.

We should be careful not to accept our misunderstanding of Paul's words, over the words of Messiah himself. Messiah;s words are his father's words.

If you prefer Paul's writings; Ill leave you with this:

(CLV) Ro 2:13
For not the listeners to law are just with God, but the doers of law shall be justified.

(CLV) Ro 3:31
Are we, then, nullifying law through faith? May it not be coming to that! Nay, we are sustaining law.

(CLV) Ro 7:12
So that the law, indeed, is holy, and the precept holy and just and good.

(CLV) Ro 7:22
For I am gratified with the law of God as to the man within,

(CLV) Ro 7:25
I thank God, through Jesus Christ, our Lord. Consequently, then, I myself, with the mind, indeed, am slaving for God's law, yet with the flesh for Sin's law.

(CLV) Ac 24:14
"Yet I am avowing this to you, that, according to the way which they are terming a sect, thus am I offering divine service to the hereditary God, believing all that is written, according to the law and in the prophets,

 

[HARK!]

Ok, so let me get this correct, you believe that a DAY must start with evening because the word EVENING comes before MORNING in creation week? You did notice that it says that EVENING and MORNING were the first day and second etc..? What did God call the LIGHT? - He called it DAY. So if evening came first, that means the following

DAY/ILLUMINATION/EVENING precedes NIGHT which precedes MORNING/ILLUMINATION which precedes DAY/ILLUMINATION

(CLV) Gn 1:1
In a beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.

(CLV) Gn 1:2
As for the earth, it came to be a chaos and vacant, and darkness was over the surface of the abyss. And the spirit of Elohim was vibrating over the surface of the waters.

(CLV) Gn 1:3
And Elohim said: Let light come to be! And light came to be.

Darkness preceded light from the beginning.

 

[HARK!]

Notice it says to offer the meat offering of the evening sacrifice ACCORDING to the meat offering of the morning. HOW CAN THAT BE?

Exo 29:38 Now this is that which thou shalt offer upon the altar; two lambs of the first year day by day continually.

A key word here is "continually."

Go back to Genesis to see which came first, darkness, or light.

 

[HARK!]

Here is more from Philo regarding the Sabbath and the Lunar relationship:

THE DECALOGUE XXX (161)

Philo: The Decalogue

But to the seventh day of the week he has assigned the greatest festivals, those of the longest duration, at the periods of the equinox both vernal and autumnal in each year; appointing two festivals for these two epochs, each lasting seven days; the one which takes place in the spring being for the perfection of what is being sown, and the one which falls in autumn being a feast of thanksgiving for the bringing home of all the fruits which the trees have produced. And seven days have very appropriately been appointed to the seventh month of each equinox, so that each month might receive an especial honour of one sacred day of festival, for the purpose of refreshing and cheering the mind with its holiday.

We can see in the excerpt above that Philo is telling us that the Sabbath DAY (7th day of the week) is assigned to the Feast of Unleavened Bread and to the Feast of Tabernacles.

People need to wake up and get back to understanding the TRUTH.

Here is some truth:

Philo Judaeus, was a Hellenistic Jewish philosopher who lived in Alexandria,

Philo - Wikipedia


More scripture please.

 

[cfposter]

We should be careful not to accept our misunderstanding of Paul's words, over the words of Messiah himself. Messiah;s words are his father's words.

If you prefer Paul's writings; Ill leave you with this:

(CLV) Ro 2:13
For not the listeners to law are just with God, but the doers of law shall be justified.

(CLV) Ro 3:31
Are we, then, nullifying law through faith? May it not be coming to that! Nay, we are sustaining law.

(CLV) Ro 7:12
So that the law, indeed, is holy, and the precept holy and just and good.

(CLV) Ro 7:22
For I am gratified with the law of God as to the man within,

(CLV) Ro 7:25
I thank God, through Jesus Christ, our Lord. Consequently, then, I myself, with the mind, indeed, am slaving for God's law, yet with the flesh for Sin's law.

(CLV) Ac 24:14
"Yet I am avowing this to you, that, according to the way which they are terming a sect, thus am I offering divine service to the hereditary God, believing all that is written, according to the law and in the prophets,

But when Paul is speaking of following the LAW, he is speaking of it being followed by establishing it through the Spirit. He is not saying to follow the LETTER of the LAW. The LETTER of the LAW was nailed to the cross. The Letter no longer has bondage for those in Christ.

 

[HARK!]

But when Paul is speaking of following the LAW, he is speaking of it being followed by establishing it through the Spirit. He is not saying to follow the LETTER of the LAW. The LETTER of the LAW was nailed to the cross.

That's dogma. Dogma was nailed to the pale.

 

[cfposter]

(CLV) Gn 1:1
In a beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.

(CLV) Gn 1:2
As for the earth, it came to be a chaos and vacant, and darkness was over the surface of the abyss. And the spirit of Elohim was vibrating over the surface of the waters.

(CLV) Gn 1:3
And Elohim said: Let light come to be! And light came to be.

Darkness preceded light from the beginning.

Regardless of darkness proceeding Light, it never says anywhere that evening is of the NIGHT. It says that EVENING and MORNING were of the DAY.

Just because you see it in that order, shouldn't be of concern. Look up the phrase "day and night", then look up the phrase "night and day".

I actually have two thoughts about why EVENING is listed before MORNING in Creating. First is because it is being congruent with the fact that before you can have EVENING and MORNING there first had to be LIGHT and since LIGHT came first it is natural that EVENING must come next. My other thought is that maybe when referencing things in the past you reference them from a understanding of the events you first incur so that would be evening and then morning. But if looking forward you might say morning and then evening because that is the order in which they come. I haven't studied either of those two thoughts in depth at all so I go with the weightier examples from the scriptures.

But let's give you another way to understand it.

Exo_12:18 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even.

So do we eat unleavened bread before we even sacrifice the Passover Lamb? And do we stop eating the bread as soon as the 7th day of the Feast starts?

 

[cfposter]

A key word here is "continually."

Go back to Genesis to see which came first, darkness, or light.

Again it says to perform the evening sacrifice according to the morning sacrifice. I don't see how "continually" has anything to do with that directive. Both of the sacrifices are of the DAILY (same day sacrifice).

 

[HARK!]

First is because it is being congruent with the fact that before you can have EVENING and MORNING there first had to be LIGHT and since LIGHT came first it is natural that EVENING must come next

Faulty premise. You would do well to reread the first three verses of Genesis.

 

[HARK!]

Again it says to perform the evening sacrifice according to the morning sacrifice. I don't see how "continually" has anything to do with that directive. Both of the sacrifices are of the DAILY (same day sacrifice).

This is the only place in the TaNaK which might lead to this confusion. I prefer to look at all of scripture to gain understanding, starting with Genesis 1:1.

 

[cfposter]

Faulty premise. You would do well to reread the first three verses of Genesis.

I've read them greatly. Now if you understand that the 7th day is a Sabbath DAY, then what does that tell you about the darkness that exited before the first "DAY"? In other words, the first day of a LUNAR week begins with the first SLIVER of LIGHT - not with the new moon. Therefore, the DARKNESS is represented as the NEW MOON which precedes the first day of the week. Enoch makes this clear as well in his work of the LUMINARIES.

 

[cfposter]

I gotta get some sleep. Good conversations. Hope to contribute more tomorrow and learn some more.

 

[HARK!]

I've read them greatly. Now if you understand that the 7th day is a Sabbath DAY, then what does that tell you about the darkness that exited before the first "DAY"?

Genesis 1 tells us that evening and morning compose a day.

In other words, the first day of a LUNAR week begins with the first SLIVER of LIGHT - not with the new moon. Therefore, the DARKNESS is represented as the NEW MOON which precedes the first day of the week.

The first visible waxing crescent IS the new moon. Modern science has changed the meaning of "new moon."

This visible crescent is generally first seen in the evening.

Enoch makes this clear as well in his work of the LUMINARIES.

Verse?

 

[ViaCrucis]

The Day called "Friday" is based on a SOLAR calendar.

It's not. The day called "Friday" is the sixth day of the week. The seven day week has no basis in a solar calendar. The seven day week has its origins in the ancient lunar calendars of the Ancient Near East. Our solar calendar's use of the weekly seven day cycle is a left-over from those ancient lunar calendars.

The Jews used a LUNAR calendar. So Friday would not be the 6th day of the week according to a LUNAR calendar. The Sabbath is therefore not "Saturday" but is any day in which the 8th, 15th, 22nd and 29th days of the LUNAR month occurred on.

False. Saturday is the name given to the seventh day of the seven day weekly cycle, the same weekly cycle used in the lunar calendar used by Judaism. The seventh day of the week always falls on the seventh day of the week, and the Sabbath is the seventh day of the week.

I don't think anyone is trying to dispute what the Hebrew term for the 6th day is. What is disputed is associating the Hebrew 6th day of the LUNAR week to the term "Friday" that references a SOLAR week day.

The very concept of the week, a cycle of seven days, is based upon the lunar phases. It doesn't matter if you use the Gregorian Calendar or the Jewish Calendar, the days of the week are the same.

As I am typing this, it is the second day of the week, Monday. Right now, in the same timezone, it is also the second day of the week on the Jewish calendar. Because it's the same week.

There's no such thing as a "solar week". Searching for "solar week" on Google results in fun weeks of the year set aside for teaching fun sun science facts. So could you explain where you're getting this idea of a "solar week" from?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[klutedavid]

In the case of the Passion week. The passover is sacrificed on the 14th day of the MONTH, This day is ALWAYS before the Feast of Unleavened Bread which is ALWAYS a Sabbath Day. So yes, that information above is correct as they often referred to the first Day of Unleavened Bread as the Passover feast or the Passover meal, as they did certainly eat the meal the night of the Feast Day.

Where does it say that the feast of unleavened bread is a Sabbath day?

The first day of the feast of unleavened bread can be a rest day but that does not make it a Sabbath day. The seventh day is a Sabbath day.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I really don't have to say much here. The Truth speaks loud enough for any serious student of this subject to eventually discover that the Jews used a Lunar Calendar and that they kept their Sabbath days accordingly.

You also need to study fallacies because clearly you don't understand all the Fallacies in what you presented for your arguments. You can start by looking up these:

Strawman argument
Appeal to Authority
Ad Hominem
False Dilemma

As the content of your post contained those fallacies.

We have been through this all before...you were wrong then as you are now. The weekly Shabbat is independent of Rosh Khodesh. The weekly Shabbat is on a continuous cycle...the lunar Sabbath is wrong...

 

[ChetSinger]

Everyone who has studied the topic of the Crucifixion has heard that Christ was crucified on a Friday. I'm not disputing that as I don't have enough information to dispute it.

However, the often accepted date is Friday April 3rd of 33 AD (Juilian).

The problem with that date is that Friday of April 3rd is NOT the 14th day of the month per true reckoning of the Lunar month.

That day would actually be the 15th day of the Month if that Lunar month is regarded as the first month of the year.

Although many calendars will reference that Friday (Apr 3rd , 33AD) as the 14th of Nissan, it is in error.

Consider the following:

A Biblical Jewish day began when Night came and ended with the Evening hours completed. So we have:

Night - Morning - Day - Evening

Now they observed the days per a Lunar Calendar. The moon has its morning (beginning) when the sun has set. This means the sign of the moon that rises with the oncoming Night is the indicator of the beginning of the RESPECTIVE Day of the Month.

The first SLIVER of Light that the month incurred BEGAN the night of 3/20/33. That was the commencement of the 2nd Day of the Month and the 1st day of the week. Now consider that the Passover is actually on the 14th day of the Month and you will find that the 14th day actually begins the night of 4/1.

This means if Passover occurred that month - it would have been on the Day of 4/2 which is a Thursday and not a Friday crucifixion.

This is WHY KNOWING when a Day begins and ends is very important to getting it right.

I once attended a Passover meal with a congregation of Messianic Jews who believed Jesus was crucified on Wednesday. They believed there were two Sabbaths that week, an extra one on Thursday and the traditional one on Saturday. And that it was on Friday that the women prepared the spices. And that Jesus rose on Saturday. So Jesus really did spend three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. It made sense to me because hey, they were Jews, and should know their own holidays. Sometimes I still wonder if they're right.

 

[cfposter]

Genesis 1 tells us that evening and morning compose a day.



The first visible waxing crescent IS the new moon. Modern science has changed the meaning of "new moon."

This visible crescent is generally first seen in the evening.



Verse?

I don't believe that the first visible crescent is the new moon. I believe the new moon is when there is no light in the moon. That is consistent with Philo and Enoch.

In Enoch it says:

The Book of Enoch: The Book of the Courses of the Heavenly Luminaries: Chapter LXXIV

I wrote down their positions as he showed them to me, and I wrote down their months as they were, and the appearance of their lights till fifteen days were accomplished. 3. In single seventh parts she accomplishes all her light in the east, and in single seventh parts accomplishes all her darkness in the west.

So above it shows that Enoch is starting to count the month from the New Moon since there is 14 days of the light that he counts but says he counted for 15 days.

 

[cfposter]

Where does it say that the feast of unleavened bread is a Sabbath day?

The first day of the feast of unleavened bread can be a rest day but that does not make it a Sabbath day. The seventh day is a Sabbath day.

Philo says it is. Here is from a previous post I made in this thread:

THE DECALOGUE XXX (161)

Philo: The Decalogue

But to the seventh day of the week he has assigned the greatest festivals, those of the longest duration, at the periods of the equinox both vernal and autumnal in each year; appointing two festivals for these two epochs, each lasting seven days; the one which takes place in the spring being for the perfection of what is being sown, and the one which falls in autumn being a feast of thanksgiving for the bringing home of all the fruits which the trees have produced. And seven days have very appropriately been appointed to the seventh month of each equinox, so that each month might receive an especial honour of one sacred day of festival, for the purpose of refreshing and cheering the mind with its holiday.

We can see in the excerpt above that Philo is telling us that the Sabbath DAY (7th day of the week) is assigned to the Feast of Unleavened Bread and to the Feast of Tabernacles.

 

[cfposter]

I once attended a Passover meal with a congregation of Messianic Jews who believed Jesus was crucified on Wednesday. They believed there were two Sabbaths that week, an extra one on Thursday and the traditional one on Saturday. And that it was on Friday that the women prepared the spices. And that Jesus rose on Saturday. So Jesus really did spend three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. It made sense to me because hey, they were Jews, and should know their own holidays. Sometimes I still wonder if they're right.

They were wrong. A lunar calendar is designed with the Feast Days and the Sabbaths all marching along according to the appointment of the moon. They got it so messed up that they put in methods (Postponements) to try to keep feast days from landing on sabbaths and such.

For example, what happens if your 14th day of the first month lands on a Sabbath day?

Consider the following verse:

Eze_46:1 Thus saith the Lord GOD; The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened.

So in the verse above what happens if a New Moon lands on a working day?

It really is a proof verse that the Jews followed a Lunar Calendar. So when people try to tell you that the Jews today got it right, you can see they OBVIOUSLY don't.