Race seems to be a divisive issue among Christians

[Aldebaran]

It is divisive, but so is looking at a black person and pre-judging them based on the colour of their skin.

You mean like labeling them as victims that need special treatment and having standards lowered for them because they're black? Is that what you're referring to?

We know both are wrong. One isn't wronger than the other. Christians should be just as worked up when we see racism happening to someone that is not our skin colour. As Christians we should be a voice for justice for all, not just get worked up when now we are experiencing what others have before. It's wrong all around. What is needed now is empathy on both sides. Not just "they have a yucky attitude, so I can have one too". It's hard to turn the other cheek but someone has to be the bigger person. Imagine if CHRISTIANS the world over, of all ethnic backgrounds, led the example together? What would that do to this world?

The post of mine you responded to was in reply to the OP about how CRT "rubs Christians the wrong way". Here's something written by a black person who also sees how divisive it is:

"CRT is not curriculum, but a movement of the radical Left to use false charges of institutional racism to con Americans into thinking our history was, and remains, foundationally racist — a tactic within a strategy to move the country toward the tyrannical, self-serving Left.

It encourages people to despise traditional values that nurture safety, opportunity, and prosperity. By turning our backs on historical truth, we allow leftists to work their destruction into our fabric deep enough to change the color of the thread — from red, white, and blue to dark, shadowy, and dismal. With its underlying assumption that all white people are racists, CRT is itself racist."
Critical Race Theory Cynically Undermines Racial Harmony

 

[Sophrosyne]

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[SongOnTheWind]

You mean like labeling them as victims that need special treatment and having standards lowered for them because they're black? Is that what you're referring to?



The post of mine you responded to was in reply to the OP about how CRT "rubs Christians the wrong way". Here's something written by a black person who also sees how divisive it is:

"CRT is not curriculum, but a movement of the radical Left to use false charges of institutional racism to con Americans into thinking our history was, and remains, foundationally racist — a tactic within a strategy to move the country toward the tyrannical, self-serving Left.

It encourages people to despise traditional values that nurture safety, opportunity, and prosperity. By turning our backs on historical truth, we allow leftists to work their destruction into our fabric deep enough to change the color of the thread — from red, white, and blue to dark, shadowy, and dismal. With its underlying assumption that all white people are racists, CRT is itself racist."
Critical Race Theory Cynically Undermines Racial Harmony

I'm sure that people in recent years gone by that have played victim and have called the police on other people because they already pre-judged them based on the colour of their skin, for things like barbequing, or waiting for people in coffee shops without buying anything, didn't have a good excuse for their behaviour either. Christians should want justice for the innocent in these instances as well, as well as other instances of injustice.

My point is that injustice happens every day. I'm just saying that it's telling that some only get worked up when they finally experience what someone else has experienced and it couldn't have bothered them less.

One day, Christians will experience a tribulation that has never been before, no will be seen since. And it won't matter the colour of our skin then. Let's not play into the enemy's hands. Let's not give him the satisfaction. Let the truth set us free.

 

[DaisyDay]

Go tell those on the left that, as they seem to think all blacks are the same and if they don't vote for Biden, they aren't black. Also leftists don't consider conservative Republican black people as anything real, they consider them not black either so it seems the left is actually the one who seems to think that they ARE truly monolithic.

Speaking as someone on the left, I can say that you have no idea what you're talking about. Nothing you have said is accurate or informational.

 

[Aldebaran]

Speaking as someone on the left, I can say that you have no idea what you're talking about. Nothing you have said is accurate or informational.

Then take it from your president:
Biden: 'If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black'

 

[Jay Sea]

Everyone is tired of it, whites in America have been told they are inherently racist and evil every day since Biden has been in office, and it shows no sign of letting up.

I realize people are White, Black, Asian, Native American/Alaskan, or Hawaiian/Pacific Islander...I am not color blind, and I realize someone is Hispanic as well.

That being said, Black lives are no more, or, less important than any other racial, or ethnic group. I try to take people as they come, being a lousy person is not a racial issue.

It's character that matters, isn't that what Dr. King said?

Surely "Black Lives Matter" has to be taken in context of the treatment of coloured Peoples by mainly white people in their thirst for wealth. It is like the pandemic we concentrate on those most effected and vulnerable, That does not mean that others are not considered.
In LOve
Jay Sea

 

[DaisyDay]

Then take it from your president:
Biden: 'If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black'

Yes, Aldebaran, Biden did say that but he is only one person, not the entirety of the "left". Many, many on the left publicly bemoaned that statement at the time.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

I think White Christians have every right to be weary of BLM and CRT. Given that the former caused 2 billion dollars in property damage and the latter teaches that white people are inherently racist and there's nothing they can do to escape that racism.

Why should someone like myself embrace CRT instead of, say, Christian Orthodoxy?

 

[Aldebaran]

Yes, Aldebaran, Biden did say that but he is only one person, not the entirety of the "left". Many, many on the left publicly bemoaned that statement at the time.

And then voted for him right afterward, after he also said, “poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids”

 

[Aldebaran]

Surely "Black Lives Matter" has to be taken in context of the treatment of coloured Peoples by mainly white people in their thirst for wealth. It is like the pandemic we concentrate on those most effected and vulnerable, That does not mean that others are not considered.
In LOve
Jay Sea

Taking BLM in context with their actions indicates a violent mob that's bent on causing destruction and death whenever they believe they have an excuse.

 

[ralliann]

Black is not a monolithic culture anymore than yours is. Be careful making pronouncements concerning "they" and "them" because you're saying more about yourself and your limited pov than you are about anyone else real.

Now if this were extended to everybody that would be great.

 

[coffee4u]

It certainly is divisive in society at large, but why here in a forum where we are supposed to be one in Christ? Perhaps it isn't divisive and I'm just hanging around the wrong threads.

Threads dealing with racial topics seem to generate more tension than topics you would presume to be controversial.

The fire surrounding BLM and CRT is a prime example of this. CRT seems to really rub Christians up the wrong way.

I'm assuming that it's just because the church is a reflection of the society at large.

Well it shouldn't be, God made the human race diverse just as he did with everything else he created.
But that isn't the same as being being divided over government policies or media or disagreeing with someone else's take on those things. Two different subjects.

The US just seems to have a lot of angst over race. I mostly look at these threads and just shake my head and leave.

 

[SongOnTheWind]

Good luck with that as too many who consider themselves Christian are part of the problem and are the ones who are content with slapping the cheeks of everyone who disagrees with them.

Well, I'm in disagreement with you at this moment. Should we now continue to contribute to the anger? When will it be time to do something about it? When will it be too late to do something about it?

 

[SongOnTheWind]

The other side has a different take on that idea. "When they go low, we kick 'em".
At the :33 second point in the video:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/vide...52f888-cd78-11e8-ad0a-0e01efba3cc1_video.html

Now if this were extended to everybody that would be great.

This is my point. It is extended to everyone all the time, whether your own individual skin tone is being represented or not.

 

[SongOnTheWind]

Well it shouldn't be, God made the human race diverse just as he did with everything else he created.
But that isn't the same as being being divided over government policies or media or disagreeing with someone else's take on those things. Two different subjects.

The US just seems to have a lot of angst over race. I mostly look at these threads and just shake my head and leave.

It seems like even when a scripture-based solution, complete with mirroring context, is presented, people still just want to hold on to their anger. Hasn't worked for black people the world over so far. That should be telling us something.

Time to shake the dust off my feet and leave.

 

[coffee4u]

It seems like even when a scripture-based solution, complete with mirroring context, is presented, people still just want to hold on to their anger. Hasn't worked for black people the world over so far. That should be telling us something.

Time to shake the dust off my feet and leave.

Do you feel the UK is similar or is race something you don't often think about unless something happens to bring it up?
Threads on here seem to be constant and filled with anger or passive aggressiveness rather than anything constructive. I don't think the US ever moved past it's origins, but you reap what you sew.

 

[SongOnTheWind]

Do you feel the UK is similar or is race something you don't often think about unless something happens to bring it up?
Threads on here seem to be constant and filled with anger or passive aggressiveness rather than anything constructive. I don't think the US ever moved past it's origins, but you reap what you sew.

I think racism is everywhere in the world, directed at all 'races' (There's only one race, and it's the human race. The fact that people have made those divisions in the first place and then do their best to stay superglued to them speaks volumes!)

The thing is, you have skin tone, and then you have culture. Culture is great. Variety is the spice of life. Some people claim that they can't see colour. I'm not going to lie, I see colour and difference. But that is something I choose to celebrate, rather than use to feel superior over others.

People have PLENTY of other faults we need to individually deal with, without turning cultural differences into one. Those faults are called sin, which is our rebellion against the Most High God and His holiness. So, yeah, we need to cut all this holier than thou indignation, and get on with what God wants to achieve and accomplish in and through our lives.

We can play into the lie of race division, or we can rise above it. Everyone has that choice. Black people in America had it for around 250 yrs now. So did white people at the same time, but from the opposite sides of the track. Same story everywhere in the world. The devil is a liar all the time, everywhere. And we are supposed to be surprised at this? Is this new information?? The fact that so many seem so emotionally gripped by this beyond all objectivity tells me that this is not just a physical battle, but a very real spiritual one. If we choose to humble ourselves and pray, God will hear. I really believe that:

2 Chronicles 7:14
if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.

Be blessed all

 

[Eftsoon]

Surely "Black Lives Matter" has to be taken in context of the treatment of coloured Peoples by mainly white people in their thirst for wealth. It is like the pandemic we concentrate on those most effected and vulnerable, That does not mean that others are not considered.
In LOve
Jay Sea

This is absolutely crucial yes.

 

[Eftsoon]

The US just seems to have a lot of angst over race. I mostly look at these threads and just shake my head and leave.

I feel like that too sometimes, but I'd like to think that discussion can bring moderation.

 

[Eftsoon]

Do you feel the UK is similar or is race something you don't often think about unless something happens to bring it up?
Threads on here seem to be constant and filled with anger or passive aggressiveness rather than anything constructive. I don't think the US ever moved past it's origins, but you reap what you sew.

Yes. The US has deep-seated problems. Europe isn't much better though.They are experiencing a massive resurgence of fascism due to the fact that many European leaders made populist appeals during the financial crisis. They handed a degree of power to the far right and they haven't let go of course.

I'm in the UK. We have problems too, but overall things are generally better.