Does going against John Calvin mean going against God?

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In this video John MacArthur reads objections to Calvinism's doctrine of predestination, and says the comments go against the sovereignty of God. It sounded more to me that the comments went against John Cavin's doctrine. Or should both considered one and the same?

 
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In this video John MacArthur reads objections to Calvinism's doctrine of predestination, and says the comments go against the sovereignty of God. It sounded more to me that the comments went against John Cavin's doctrine. Or should both considered one and the same?

Calvinism is secret Universalism.
P1) God Loves All and desires all to be saved
P2) God Isn't halfway
P3) Gods Love is Loving his creation like the others
P4) God can give unconditional grace to everyone because he loves everyone and desire them to be saved
P5) God choosing certain people isn't love and its him being partially.
Conclusion: Calvinism is Universalism because God loves all creation and he isn't partially and he can give his unconditional grace to all creation because he loves all his creation equally.
So No nobody disagrees with the sovereignty of God, we disagree with John Calvin's core doctrine. Sorry to say but John Calvinism soft determinism fails according to my premises and conclusions, any rebuttals would be fallacious because P1 and P3 goes together do you agree?
 
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In this video John MacArthur reads objections to Calvinism's doctrine of predestination, and says the comments go against the sovereignty of God. It sounded more to me that the comments went against John Cavin's doctrine. Or should both considered one and the same?
Mac Arthur is saying that Calvin teaches the sovereignty of God which is presented in the Scriptures, therefore, objection to Calvin's teaching would be going against the sovereignty of God.
 
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To quote the Prince of Preachers:

If anyone should ask me what I mean by a Calvinist, I should reply, “He is one who says, Salvation is of the Lord.” I cannot find in Scripture any other doctrine than this. It is the essence of the Bible. “He only is my rock and my salvation.”

Tell me anything contrary to this truth, and it will be a heresy; tell me a heresy, and I shall find its essence here, that it has departed from this great, this fundamental, this rock-truth, “God is my rock and my salvation.” What is the heresy of Rome, but the addition of something to the perfect merits of Jesus Christ—the bringing in of the works of the flesh, to assist in our justification? And what is the heresy of Arminianism but the addition of something to the work of the Redeemer? Every heresy, if brought to the touchstone, will discover itself here.

I have my own private opinion that there is no such thing as preaching Christ and Him crucified, unless we preach what nowadays is called Calvinism. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else.

I do not believe we can preach the gospel, if we do not preach justification by faith, without works; nor unless we preach the sovereignty of God in His dispensation of grace; nor unless we exalt the electing, unchangeable, eternal, immutable, conquering love of Jehovah; nor do I think we can preach the gospel, unless we base it upon the special and particular redemption of His elect and chosen people which Christ wrought out upon the cross; nor can I comprehend a gospel which lets saints fall away after they are called, and suffers the children of God to be burned in the fires of damnation after having once believed in Jesus. Such a gospel I abhor.

(Charles Spurgeon, A Defense of Calvinism)
 
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Calvinism is secret Universalism.
P1) God Loves All and desires all to be saved
P2) God Isn't halfway
P3) Gods Love is Loving his creation like the others
P4) God can give unconditional grace to everyone because he loves everyone and desire them to be saved
P5) God choosing certain people isn't love and its him being partially.
Conclusion: Calvinism is Universalism because God loves all creation and he isn't partially and he can give his unconditional grace to all creation because he loves all his creation equally.
So No nobody disagrees with the sovereignty of God, we disagree with John Calvin's core doctrine. Sorry to say but John Calvinism soft determinism fails according to my premises and conclusions, any rebuttals would be fallacious because P1 and P3 goes together do you agree?

I'm not a Calvanist, however, everyone of his doctrinal points can be shown in scripture...I just think Lutherans are a bit more balanced.

Regardless, we are all saved by Gods grace for Christ sake, through faith, when we repent, believe in, and trust his promises to save us.

Additionally, we should do our best to sincerely, and honestly live our faith.

Amen!!!
 
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Calvinism worked.......in Geneva......by force and beatings.

Same process for Lutherans, Anglicans, and Moravians, and the rest including Roman Catholics.

Different locations though
 
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To quote the Prince of Preachers:
If anyone should ask me what I mean by a Calvinist, I should reply, “He is one who says, Salvation is of the Lord.” I cannot find in Scripture another doctrine than this. It is the essence of the Bible. “He only is my rock and my salvation.”
Tell me anything contrary to this truth, and it will be a heresy; tell me a heresy, and I shall find its essence here, that it has departed from this great, this fundamental, this rock-truth, “God is my rock and my salvation.” What is the heresy of Rome, but the addition of something to the perfect merits of Jesus Christ—the bringing in of the works of the flesh, to assist in our justification? And what is the heresy of Arminianism but the addition of something to the work of the Redeemer? Every heresy, if brought to the touchstone, will discover itself here.
I have my own private opinion that there is no such thing as preaching Christ and Him crucified, unless we preach what nowadays is called Calvinism. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else.
I do not believe we can preach the gospel, if we do not preach justification by faith, without works; nor unless we preach the sovereignty of God in His dispensation of grace; nor unless we exalt the electing, unchangeable, eternal, immutable, conquering love of Jehovah; nor do I think we can preach the gospel, unless we base it upon the special and particular redemption of His elect and chosen people which Christ wrought out upon the cross; nor can I comprehend a gospel which lets saints fall away after they are called, and suffers the children of God to be burned in the fires of damnation after having once believed in Jesus. Such a gospel I abhor.
(Charles Spurgeon, A Defense of Calvinism)
It would appear that both Calvin and Spurgeon contradict the words of Jesus, Himself. e.g. Matthew 25:46, Matthew 25:41,Mark 9:43-48, Matthew 13:42, Matthew 13:50 etc.
 
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In this video John MacArthur reads objections to Calvinism's doctrine of predestination, and says the comments go against the sovereignty of God. It sounded more to me that the comments went against John Cavin's doctrine. Or should both considered one and the same?

Our denomination is Calvinist, but we never consider John Calvin's doctrine infallible. Certainly, I completely disagree with many of his actions in Geneva. However, as much as his doctrines agree with the Bible, we definitely agree that the Bible teaches God's sovereignty. I suggest that you start with the Scriptures and then examine the words of people in that light.
 
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It would appear that both Calvin and Spurgeon contradict the words of Jesus, Himself. e.g. Matthew 25:46, Matthew 25:41,Mark 9:43-48, Matthew 13:42, Matthew 13:50 etc.

Good Day, Der Alte

It may appear like that to you at first glance, but I would refer you to their work on those passages you posted.

BTW they do not call Spurgeon the prince of preachers for nothing.

In Him,

Bill
 
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Mac Arthur is saying that Calvin teaches the sovereignty of God which is presented in the Scriptures, therefore, objection to Calvin's teaching would be going against the sovereignty of God.
Or only Calvins definition of God sovereignty.
 
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I'm not a Calvanist, however, everyone of his doctrinal points can be shown in scripture...I just think Lutherans are a bit more balanced.
Of course it can is why we explain the verses they present secondly, believing Reform doctrine has nothing to do with Lutherans because Lutherans can be Calvinist.
 
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Regardless, we are all saved by Gods grace for Christ sake, through faith, when we repent, believe in, and trust his promises to save us.

Additionally, we should do our best to sincerely, and honestly live our faith.
I agree
 
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Mac Arthur is saying that Calvin teaches the sovereignty of God which is presented in the Scriptures, therefore, objection to Calvin's teaching would be going against the sovereignty of God.

But teaching the sovereignty of God wasn't exclusive to Calvin. All of the major theologians of the reformation taught the sovereignty of God. Jacobus Arminius taught the sovereignty of God. However Arminianism and Calvinism are opposing theologies.
 
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