FreeGrace2 said:
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I proved that by use of the aorist tense by Paul in Acts 16:31 and
Romans 10:9,10 for 'believe'. If believing must continue in order to stay saved, then the use of the aorist would have been unacceptable. And Jesus used the aorist tense for "drinking" in
John 4:14, which is a figure of speech for belief in Him. And the result of aorist tense drinking is the drinker will never thirst.
Actually, yes. I am convinced that you are not interested in the truth.
More word salad, as your long posts demonstrate.
Look, you STILL haven't proven that the Greek present means that the action of the verb MUST CONTINUE in order for the results of that action to continue.
iow, one must continue to believe in order to continue to be saved. I just proved that to be totally fallacious. The aorist tense refutes that nonsense. For that is just what it is. Nonsense. If the present tense means "must continue in order for salvation to continue", then the Bible makes a very grievous error in using the aorist tense of 'believe'. Why don't you grasp that simple thought?
Nope. "now" is WHEN a person does something. And the aorist tense indicates that they DID something before. And the aorist is used for 'believe' and STILL includes salvation. So you are wrong.
I'm going to give you a simple truth here. Everything a person believes about anything is ongoing and continuous. So what? Unless someone at some point changes their mind about something.
Luke 8:12 - Those along the path are the ones who hear, and then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they
may not believe and
be saved.
Red verb is an aorist participle active. Blue verb is an aorist subjunctive passive.
Luke 8:13 - Those on the rocky ground are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root.
They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away.
Red verb is a present indicative active.
So, are you still going to argue that Jesus used the aorist tense IN ERROR in v.12 by using the aorist in the negative (not believe) but STILL indicated they would be saved if they had?
And, not only that, but in the very next verse Jesus used your precious present indicative active for 'believe' and had the AUDACITY to add "for a while", even though you DEMAND that the present means "ongoing and continuous".
Well, I hate to break it to you so suddenly, but Jesus DISAGREES with your very poor Greek understanding.
In v.12 He indicated by use of the negative verb for 'believe' with the aorist that the opposite (to believe) and they would be SAVED. Shocking, huh.
Then in v.13 He uses the present tense for 'believe' but adds "for a while", which obviously is NOT "ongoing and continuous".
Did you ever kiss your wife? Is that kiss STILL GOING ON? It certainly was in the present when you kissed her.
You're just proving nothing here. What you still can't prove is that the present tense DEMANDS that the action of the verb MUST CONTINUE ON in order for the results of that action to continue.
But I've just shown you how fallacious that notion is. Jesus used the aorist in figures of speech about believing, by using "eating and drinking" with the woman at the well. And He used the aorist tense, followed by "will NEVER THIRST AGAIN". All that from just one drink in the past.
You are still mixed up. Having the Father and Son expresses SALVATION. Abiding in Christ speaks of fellowship.
It appears you have no understanding of the difference between relationship and fellowship.
This is true for spiritual growth.
This is totally FALSE for salvation.
I have just proved this to be wrong. With examples from Scripture, and the Lord's own words.
So your view is in conflict with Jesus' words.
Great question. No. And what's the tense for eating here? Aorist. Not present.
This question demonstrates your confusion with Scripture.
A saved person shows their faith by their deeds/works. That was James' point
in ch 2. By "eating the bread" Jesus meant faith in Him, for salvation.
If one really does "believe the Scripture", they WILL believe in Jesus the Messiah, and be saved. And they will live forever.
Speaking of living forever, please explain to me how a person will "live forever".
I have just shown you how confused your own views of the Bible are.