Obedience Comes by Fear, but Faith by Hearing!

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How does one have perfect love so as to cast out fear?

“But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.” (1 John 2:5).

This is not what most churches teach unfortunately.

So obedience to God brings a believer to a place where there is no fear. But if one is disobeying God, then they should fear.

“But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.” (Romans 13:4).
The Greek word we translate “perfect”, rarely means “perfect” like we use in today. It might better convey the idea of: complete, all together (one), mature.

The Spirit (the Word) within you has perfect Love, so in that sense you have perfect Love. Quit quenching the Spirit and His Love will drive out all fear. He is in us and we are in Him.

Ro. 13:4 is in the context of being rebellious against the government and the government carries a sword (God does not need a sword) and will punish you. We need to respect the government, but hopefully not be frighten of the government since we are doing good.

You have to first Love to obey. 1 Cor. 13:1-4 tells us if we do anything “good” without “Love” it is worthless. If you Love, you will be compelled to obey.
 
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Let’s go to Proverbs 16: 2 All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; But the LORD weigheth the spirits. 3 Commit thy works unto the LORD, And thy thoughts shall be established. 5 Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: Though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished. 6 By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: And by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil.

The spirits in this text is the thoughts of your mind and iniquity is sin.


Let’s go to Malachi 1: 6 A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a father, where is mine honour? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the LORD of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name? 7 Ye offer polluted bread upon mine altar; and ye say, Wherein have we polluted thee? In that ye say, The table of the LORD is contemptible. 8 And if ye offer the blind for sacrifice, is it not evil? and if ye offer the lame and sick, is it not evil? offer it now unto thy governor; will he be pleased with thee, or accept thy person? saith the LORD of hosts. 9 And now, I pray you, beseech God that he will be gracious unto us: this hath been by your means: will he regard your persons? saith the LORD of hosts.

10 Who is there even among you that would shut the doors for nought? neither do ye kindle fire on mine altar for nought. I have no pleasure in you, saith the LORD of hosts, neither will I accept an offering at your hand. 11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts. 12 But ye have profaned it, in that ye say, The table of the LORD is polluted; and the fruit thereof, even his meat, is contemptible. 14 But cursed be the deceiver, which hath in his flock a male, and voweth, and sacrificeth unto the Lord a corrupt thing: for I am a great King, saith the LORD of hosts, and my name is dreadful among the heathen.

The is the Israelites and Israel always had a problem with the name Jesus, to this day. Spiritually blind people aren’t accepted by God and neither are the preachers who refuse to teach their flock the word of God, but the love getting paid (fleecing their flock for filthy lucre/money). Now the Gentiles are white people/Europeans and heathen are the nations. Many Israelites hate the name of Jesus and those that are blinded by Gentiles Christianity hate his laws.

Let’s continue in Malachi 2: 1And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. 2 If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.

Many among Israel despise the name Jesus and won’t acknowledge it.

Let’s go into Deuteronomy 4: 1 Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the LORD God of your fathers giveth you. 9 Only take heed to thyself, and keep thy soul diligently, lest thou forget the things which thine eyes have seen, and lest they depart from thy heart all the days of thy life: but teach them thy sons, and thy sons' sons;

10 specially the day that thou stoodest before the LORD thy God in Horeb, when the LORD said unto me, Gather me the people together, and I will make them hear my words, that they may learn to fear me all the days that they shall live upon the earth, and that they may teach their children.

The word of God is our wisdom and understanding in the sight of the nation, but we cast it away as a people and ended up in captivity. Today, we are waking up and learning about our God again. If you fear God you will keep his commandments.

Let’s go into Ecclesiastes 12: 13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

Now this our duty which is our responsibility and obligation.
 
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Believers can sin, too. They are to fear God if they do. For be not deceived, the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God (See: Galatians 5:19-21).
How does a Christian keep from sinning, again?
What does a Christian do with the sins they have done?
Do you forgive people before they even ask you for forgiveness, so is that the way God forgives you?
 
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Let’s go into Revelation 20: 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

So we see how works play a very very important part in life Brothers and Sisters.

Let’s go into Proverbs 14: 15 The simple believeth every word: But the prudent man looketh well to his going. 16 A wise man feareth, and departeth from evil: But the fool rageth, and is confident.

The Simple is the mature person and the prudent is wise and discreet and very careful, but the person fool that rageth is fume with fury, rant and rave.

Let’s go into Job 28: 1 Surely there is a vein for the silver, And a place for gold where they fine it. 2 Iron is taken out of the earth, And brass is molten out of the stone. 12 But where shall wisdom be found? And where is the place of understanding? 13 Man knoweth not the price thereof; Neither is it found in the land of the living. 20 Whence then cometh wisdom? And where is the place of understanding? 23 God understandeth the way thereof, And he knoweth the place thereof. 24 For he looketh to the ends of the earth, And seeth under the whole heaven; 25 To make the weight for the winds; And he weigheth the waters by measure. 26 When he made a decree for the rain, And a way for the lightning of the thunder: 27 Then did he see it, and declare it; He prepared it, yea, and searched it out. 28 And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; And to depart from evil is understanding.


If you want to be wise, then read and study the Word of God from Genesis to Revelation and fear him and depart from evil.
 
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How does a Christian keep from sinning, again?
What does a Christian do with the sins they have done?
Do you forgive people before they even ask you for forgiveness, so is that the way God forgives you?

Let's take a look at 1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

So we are to keep the commandments and if we sin by keeping the commandments we have and advocate with the Father. But let's take a look and see what we can do if we sin in 1 John 1: 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
 
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Side Note:

I do not agree with the author of the video entirely on the topic in regards to love the sinner and hate their sin. But I do agree with him in that many paint an inaccurate picture of Jesus in that He was always loving (in the fact that He turned a blind eye to sin).
First off: When Deity uses the word “hate” it is not the opposite of Love (even in the English, hate is not the opposite of Love). Jesus said: Luke 14:26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple.

You can Love and hate a person at the same time.

When Jesus went around, He demonstrated great Love for those in the Sanhedrin, teachers of the Law, and Pharisees. Jesus answered their tricky questions, trying to always help them, yet He hated: their actions, their hard heart and I would say them in general.

God created all people and all people are His children until their death (those that cease to exist are not God’s children).

Is death bad in and of itself? Death is the way good people get to go home and be with God and it is the way bad people quit doing bad stuff.

Hell is not a place where God takes revenge on people. Hell does nothing good for those that go to hell, but Hell can help the willing living individual choose to become a Christian quickly, to avoid hell.

Once a child of God repeatedly refuses to accept God’s Love to the point that child will never accept God’s Love (something only God would know) then that child takes on a lesser objective of helping other children still able to accept God’s Love to accept God’s Love. These unrepentant can be an example of being earthly punished for evil done, to those still able to decide. God is not punishing some of His children out of a lack of Love, but because God Loves His children but can only help those willing to accept His help and He cannot do more for some that have rebelled, yet them can help others.

Just because God hated Esau does not mean Esau did not go to heaven in the end (in a lot of ways Esau was a good guy and better then his brother).

If you were in the first century, you might have “hated” that murdering Saul fellow, but also Loved him as you are to Love everyone.
 
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Let's take a look at 1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

So we are to keep the commandments and if we sin by keeping the commandments we have and advocate with the Father. But let's take a look and see what we can do if we sin in 1 John 1: 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
As you point out: 1 John 2:1 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin…

It is “but if” and not “but when”. John is not saying all of us will sin in the future and even though our sins are immediately washed away, sin is not something we want to do.

If it is not frighting fear that keeps us from sinning (which never seems to work anyway), how do we keep from sinning?
 
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First off: When Deity uses the word “hate” it is not the opposite of Love (even in the English, hate is not the opposite of Love). Jesus said: Luke 14:26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple.

You can Love and hate a person at the same time.

When Jesus went around, He demonstrated great Love for those in the Sanhedrin, teachers of the Law, and Pharisees. Jesus answered their tricky questions, trying to always help them, yet He hated: their actions, their hard heart and I would say them in general.

God created all people and all people are His children until their death (those that cease to exist are not God’s children).

Is death bad in and of itself? Death is the way good people get to go home and be with God and it is the way bad people quit doing bad stuff.

Hell is not a place where God takes revenge on people. Hell does nothing good for those that go to hell, but Hell can help the willing living individual choose to become a Christian quickly, to avoid hell.

Once a child of God repeatedly refuses to accept God’s Love to the point that child will never accept God’s Love (something only God would know) then that child takes on a lesser objective of helping other children still able to accept God’s Love to accept God’s Love. These unrepentant can be an example of being earthly punished for evil done, to those still able to decide. God is not punishing some of His children out of a lack of Love, but because God Loves His children but can only help those willing to accept His help and He cannot do more for some that have rebelled, yet them can help others.

Just because God hated Esau does not mean Esau did not go to heaven in the end (in a lot of ways Esau was a good guy and better then his brother).

If you were in the first century, you might have “hated” that murdering Saul fellow, but also Loved him as you are to Love everyone.

First, I was not born again yesterday. I was aware of for a long time that the word “hate” in Luke 14:26 is in reference to “loving less.” So I do not agree with the author of the video on one point. The author of the video does not believe that God desires us to love the sinner and hate their sin. This a point of where I agree with the author of the video. Where we do agree is that God condemns sinners and He can and does get angry and wrathful towards the wicked and He can hate and abhor them (if He knows they will not repent). This does not mean God did not love them at one point whereby He provided a way of escape for them. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son (John 3:16). What the author of the video does not seem to be aware of is that God is capable of fully being aware of who will not repent and who are hardened against Him whereby God can truly abhor them or those wicked in the end (unlike us). Only God can truly hate or condemn because God is aware of all things.

Second, the love of God does not abide on those who do not believe, but they are condemned for not believing.

“He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” (John 3:18).

Plus...

THE BIBLE SAYS GOD HATES SINNERS, NOT JUST THE SIN:

Leviticus 20:23: “And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nations which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I ABHORRED THEM.”

Leviticus 26:14-30: “If ye will not hearken unto Me, and will not do all these commandments; And if ye shall despise My statutes, or if your soul abhor My judgments, so that ye will not do all My commandments, but that ye break My covenant, I also will do this to you... [send plagues, famine, drought, destructive armies, wild beasts who shall devour your children, pestilence, captivity in a cruel land...] And if ye will not for all this hearken unto Me, but walk contrary to Me; Then I WILL WALK CONTRARY TO YOU IN FURY... I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcasses upon the carcasses of your idols, and MY SOUL SHALL ABHOR YOU.”

Deuteronomy 18:12 “For all that do these things are an ABOMINATION TO THE LORD, and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.”

Deuteronomy 25:16: “...ALL THAT DO UNRIGHTEOUSLY ARE AN ABOMINATION UNTO THE LORD.”

Deuteronomy 28:62-63: “Because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the Lord thy God... it shall come to pass, that as the Lord rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the Lord will the Lord will REJOICE OVER YOU TO DESTROY YOU, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it.” (In Deuteronomy 27, 28, and 29, 124 CURSES are promised upon the Jews who refused to obey God’s commandments.)

Deuteronomy 32:16-20: “They provoked Him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations they provoked Him to ANGER... And when the Lord saw it [people sacrificing to devils - v.17], HE ABHORRED THEM...”

Psalm 2:4-9: “The Lord that sits in the heavens shall LAUGH [at rebellious men]: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall He speak unto them in His WRATH, and VEX THEM IN HIS SORE DISPLEASURE... [and Christ shall] break them with a rod of iron: Thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.”

Psalm 5:5-6: “The foolish shall not stand in Thy sight: THOU HATEST ALL WORKERS OF INIQUITY. Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing (lies): THE LORD WILL ABHOR THE BLOODY AND DECEITFUL MAN.”

Psalm 7:11-13: “...God is ANGRY with the wicked every day. If he turn not, He will whet His sword; He hath bent His bow, and made it ready. He hath also prepared for him the instruments of death; He ordaineth His arrows against the persecutors.”

Psalm 10:3: “For the wicked... blesseth the covetous, WHOM THE LORD ABHORRETH.”

Psalm 11:5-7: “The Lord trieth the righteous: but THE WICKED AND HIM THAT LOVETH VIOLENCE HIS SOUL HATETH. Upon the wicked He shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup. For the righteous Lord loveth righteousness...”

Psalm 50:22: “Now consider this, ye that forget God, LEST I TEAR YOU IN PIECES, AND THERE BE NONE TO DELIVER.”

Psalm 78:59: “When God heard this He was wroth, and GREATLY ABHORRED ISRAEL.”

Psalm 106:40: “Therefore was the wrath of the Lord kindled against His people, insomuch that HE ABHORRED HIS OWN INHERITANCE.”

Proverbs 3:32-33: “For the froward is an ABOMINATION TO THE LORD... The CURSE OF THE LORD is in the house of the wicked: but He blesseth the habitation of the just.”

Proverbs 6:16-19: “These six things doth THE LORD HATE: yea, seven are AN ABOMINATION TO HIM... A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among the brethren.”

Proverbs 16:5: “Every one that is proud in heart is an ABOMINATION TO THE LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.”

Proverbs 17:5: “He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are ABOMINATION TO THE LORD.”

Proverbs 22:14: “The soul of strange women is a deep pit: HE THAT IS ABHORRED OF THE LORD shall fall therein.”

Jeremiah 17:5: “Thus saith the Lord, CURSED BE THE MAN that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.”

Hosea 9:15: “All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I HATED THEM: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of Mine house, I WILL LOVE THEM NO MORE...”

Malachi 1:3-4: “And I HATED ESAU, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness...thus saith the Lord of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and the people AGAINST WHOM THE LORD HATH INDIGNATION FOREVER.”

Romans 9:13: “As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but ESAU HAVE I HATED.”

I Corinthians 16:22: “If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be ANATHEMA MARANATHA [which means ACCURSED, THE LORD COMETH].”

James 4:4: “Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that friendship of the world is ENMITY (or HATRED) WITH GOD? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is an ENEMY OF GOD.”

I Peter 3:12: “For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and His ears are open to their prayers: but THE FACE OF THE LORD IS AGAINST THEM THAT DO EVIL.”

Revelation 14:10-11: “[Sinners] shall drink of the wine of the WRATH OF GOD, which is poured without mixture into the cup of HIS INDIGNATION; and he shall be TORMENTED WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE IN THE PRESENCE OF THE HOLY ANGELS, AND IN THE PRESENCE OF THE LAMB; And the smoke of their TORMENT ascendeth up for ever and ever; and they have NO REST DAY NOR NIGHT...”​

This again applies to God and not us. We are to love the sinner and hate their sin because we do not know men's hearts and we do not know their future. We are limited in knowledge. So our judgment is limited. We can only condemn any evil we see them doing in the moment or within a recent amount of time. But God can see it all. He can fully judge and hate or abhor any soul that turns out to be totally hard and unchangable in the end. God knows. God can abhor those who are evil fully and completely.

For what do you think happened during the global flood?
Was that the love of God being poured out upon them?
Surely not. It was God's wrath. God would have to be pretty upset at them as wicked people to destroy all of mankind. I cannot imagine God saying, I love you, as He destroyed the world with a global flood. This is where I agree with the author of the video.

But you must understand the alternate following truth in Scripture:

THE CONDITIONAL LOVE OF GOD:

Proverbs 8:17 “I LOVE THEM THAT LOVE ME: and those that seek Me early shall find Me.”

John 14:21 “He that hath My commandments and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me: and HE THAT LOVETH ME SHALL BE LOVED OF MY FATHER, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.”

John 14:23 “Jesus answered and said unto him, IF A MAN LOVE ME, he will keep My words; AND MY FATHER WILL LOVE HIM, and We will come unto him, and make Our abode with him.”

John 15:10 “IF ye keep My commandments, YE SHALL ABIDE IN MY LOVE; even as I kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.”

John 16:27 “For the FATHER HIMSELF LOVETH YOU, BECAUSE YE HAVE LOVED ME, and have believed that I came out from God.”

I John 2:15 “Love not the world, neither the things in the world. IF any man love the world, THE LOVE OF THE FATHER IS NOT IN HIM.”​


Source used:
Does God Hate Sinners?
(Note: I only quoted the portion of the article I agree with; This does not mean I agree with anything else the author believes, says, or does).
 
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First off: When Deity uses the word “hate” it is not the opposite of Love (even in the English, hate is not the opposite of Love). Jesus said: Luke 14:26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple.

You can Love and hate a person at the same time.

When Jesus went around, He demonstrated great Love for those in the Sanhedrin, teachers of the Law, and Pharisees. Jesus answered their tricky questions, trying to always help them, yet He hated: their actions, their hard heart and I would say them in general.

God created all people and all people are His children until their death (those that cease to exist are not God’s children).

Is death bad in and of itself? Death is the way good people get to go home and be with God and it is the way bad people quit doing bad stuff.

Hell is not a place where God takes revenge on people. Hell does nothing good for those that go to hell, but Hell can help the willing living individual choose to become a Christian quickly, to avoid hell.

Once a child of God repeatedly refuses to accept God’s Love to the point that child will never accept God’s Love (something only God would know) then that child takes on a lesser objective of helping other children still able to accept God’s Love to accept God’s Love. These unrepentant can be an example of being earthly punished for evil done, to those still able to decide. God is not punishing some of His children out of a lack of Love, but because God Loves His children but can only help those willing to accept His help and He cannot do more for some that have rebelled, yet them can help others.

Just because God hated Esau does not mean Esau did not go to heaven in the end (in a lot of ways Esau was a good guy and better then his brother).

If you were in the first century, you might have “hated” that murdering Saul fellow, but also Loved him as you are to Love everyone.

As for your statement about how hell is not about revenge:

John 19:11-12
Jesus answered, “You would have no authority over Me, unless it had been given you from above; for this reason he who delivered Me up to you has the greater sin.”

Even Jesus acknowledged some sins are greater than others, and this is consistent with what God has revealed about sin from the earliest of times.

There Degrees of Punishment on Earth
When God gave the Law to Moses, He prescribed different levels of punishment for different kinds of sins, based on the offensive or heinous nature of the sin under consideration. The Mosaic Law is filled with measured responses to sin. God’s Word prescribes punishments matching the crimes in question:

Exodus 21:23-25
But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

In fact, the Mosaic Law required each offender be punished “according to his guilt” and no more:

Deuteronomy 25:2-3
…then it shall be if the wicked man deserves to be beaten, the judge shall then make him lie down and be beaten in his presence with the number of stripes according to his guilt. He may beat him forty times but no more, lest he beat him with many more stripes than these, and your brother be degraded in your eyes.

The Mosaic Law is evidence of two important truths: First, while any sin may separate you from the perfection of God, some sins are clearly more offensive than others. Second, God prescribes different punishments for different crimes based on the severity of each crime.

There Are Degrees of Punishment in Hell
God applies this principle in the next life as well. God prescribes a variety of punishments in the next life corresponding to the crimes committed in this one:

Revelation 20:12-13
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.

Jesus affirmed this truth in the Parable of the Wicked Servant:

Luke 12:42-48
And the Lord said, “Who then is the faithful and sensible steward, whom his master will put in charge of his servants, to give them their rations at the proper time? Blessed is that slave whom his master finds so doing when he comes. Truly I say to you, that he will put him in charge of all his possessions. But if that slave says in his heart, ‘My master will be a long time in coming,’ and begins to beat the slaves, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk; the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him, and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces, and assign him a place with the unbelievers. And that slave who knew his master’s will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, shall receive many lashes, but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few. And from everyone who has been given much shall much be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more.​

Anyways, the point I wanted to bring up here is that God does in a way get revenge or give justice to those who do evil or wrong things. Nobody is not going to be punished unfairly or not punished at all.

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Are There Different Degrees of Punishment in Hell? | Cold Case Christianity
(Note: I agree with the portion of the article I quoted, and that does not mean I agree with the author in all of what he believes, says, and does).

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Sometimes I will quote other authors because they can say it in a way that is better than me.
 
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First, I was not born again yesterday. I was aware of for a long time that the word “hate” in Luke 14:26 is in reference to “loving less.” So I do not agree with the author of the video on one point. The author of the video does not believe that God desires us to love the sinner and hate their sin. This a point of where I agree with the author of the video. Where we do agree is that God condemns sinners and He can and does get angry and wrathful towards the wicked and He can hate and abhor them (if He knows they will not repent). This does not mean God did not love them at one point whereby He provided a way of escape for them. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son (John 3:16). What the author of the video does not seem to be aware of is that God is capable of fully being aware of who will not repent and who are hardened against Him whereby God can truly abhor them or those wicked in the end (unlike us). Only God can truly hate or condemn because God is aware of all things.

Second, the love of God does not abide on those who do not believe, but they are condemned for not believing.

“He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” (John 3:18).

Plus...

THE BIBLE SAYS GOD HATES SINNERS, NOT JUST THE SIN:

Leviticus 20:23: “And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nations which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I ABHORRED THEM.”

Leviticus 26:14-30: “If ye will not hearken unto Me, and will not do all these commandments; And if ye shall despise My statutes, or if your soul abhor My judgments, so that ye will not do all My commandments, but that ye break My covenant, I also will do this to you... [send plagues, famine, drought, destructive armies, wild beasts who shall devour your children, pestilence, captivity in a cruel land...] And if ye will not for all this hearken unto Me, but walk contrary to Me; Then I WILL WALK CONTRARY TO YOU IN FURY... I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcasses upon the carcasses of your idols, and MY SOUL SHALL ABHOR YOU.”

Deuteronomy 18:12 “For all that do these things are an ABOMINATION TO THE LORD, and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.”

Deuteronomy 25:16: “...ALL THAT DO UNRIGHTEOUSLY ARE AN ABOMINATION UNTO THE LORD.”

Deuteronomy 28:62-63: “Because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the Lord thy God... it shall come to pass, that as the Lord rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the Lord will the Lord will REJOICE OVER YOU TO DESTROY YOU, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it.” (In Deuteronomy 27, 28, and 29, 124 CURSES are promised upon the Jews who refused to obey God’s commandments.)

Deuteronomy 32:16-20: “They provoked Him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations they provoked Him to ANGER... And when the Lord saw it [people sacrificing to devils - v.17], HE ABHORRED THEM...”

Psalm 2:4-9: “The Lord that sits in the heavens shall LAUGH [at rebellious men]: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall He speak unto them in His WRATH, and VEX THEM IN HIS SORE DISPLEASURE... [and Christ shall] break them with a rod of iron: Thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.”

Psalm 5:5-6: “The foolish shall not stand in Thy sight: THOU HATEST ALL WORKERS OF INIQUITY. Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing (lies): THE LORD WILL ABHOR THE BLOODY AND DECEITFUL MAN.”

Psalm 7:11-13: “...God is ANGRY with the wicked every day. If he turn not, He will whet His sword; He hath bent His bow, and made it ready. He hath also prepared for him the instruments of death; He ordaineth His arrows against the persecutors.”

Psalm 10:3: “For the wicked... blesseth the covetous, WHOM THE LORD ABHORRETH.”

Psalm 11:5-7: “The Lord trieth the righteous: but THE WICKED AND HIM THAT LOVETH VIOLENCE HIS SOUL HATETH. Upon the wicked He shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup. For the righteous Lord loveth righteousness...”

Psalm 50:22: “Now consider this, ye that forget God, LEST I TEAR YOU IN PIECES, AND THERE BE NONE TO DELIVER.”

Psalm 78:59: “When God heard this He was wroth, and GREATLY ABHORRED ISRAEL.”

Psalm 106:40: “Therefore was the wrath of the Lord kindled against His people, insomuch that HE ABHORRED HIS OWN INHERITANCE.”

Proverbs 3:32-33: “For the froward is an ABOMINATION TO THE LORD... The CURSE OF THE LORD is in the house of the wicked: but He blesseth the habitation of the just.”

Proverbs 6:16-19: “These six things doth THE LORD HATE: yea, seven are AN ABOMINATION TO HIM... A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among the brethren.”

Proverbs 16:5: “Every one that is proud in heart is an ABOMINATION TO THE LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.”

Proverbs 17:5: “He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are ABOMINATION TO THE LORD.”

Proverbs 22:14: “The soul of strange women is a deep pit: HE THAT IS ABHORRED OF THE LORD shall fall therein.”

Jeremiah 17:5: “Thus saith the Lord, CURSED BE THE MAN that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.”

Hosea 9:15: “All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I HATED THEM: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of Mine house, I WILL LOVE THEM NO MORE...”

Malachi 1:3-4: “And I HATED ESAU, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness...thus saith the Lord of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and the people AGAINST WHOM THE LORD HATH INDIGNATION FOREVER.”

Romans 9:13: “As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but ESAU HAVE I HATED.”

I Corinthians 16:22: “If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be ANATHEMA MARANATHA [which means ACCURSED, THE LORD COMETH].”

James 4:4: “Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that friendship of the world is ENMITY (or HATRED) WITH GOD? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is an ENEMY OF GOD.”

I Peter 3:12: “For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and His ears are open to their prayers: but THE FACE OF THE LORD IS AGAINST THEM THAT DO EVIL.”

Revelation 14:10-11: “[Sinners] shall drink of the wine of the WRATH OF GOD, which is poured without mixture into the cup of HIS INDIGNATION; and he shall be TORMENTED WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE IN THE PRESENCE OF THE HOLY ANGELS, AND IN THE PRESENCE OF THE LAMB; And the smoke of their TORMENT ascendeth up for ever and ever; and they have NO REST DAY NOR NIGHT...”​

This again applies to God and not us. We are to love the sinner and hate their sin because we do not know men's hearts and we do not know their future. We are limited in knowledge. So our judgment is limited. We can only condemn any evil we see them doing in the moment or within a recent amount of time. But God can see it all. He can fully judge and hate or abhor any soul that turns out to be totally hard and unchangable in the end. God knows. God can abhor those who are evil fully and completely.

For what do you think happened during the global flood?
Was that the love of God being poured out upon them?
Surely not. It was God's wrath. God would have to be pretty upset at them as wicked people to destroy all of mankind. I cannot imagine God saying, I love you, as He destroyed the world with a global flood. This is where I agree with the author of the video.

But you must understand the alternate following truth in Scripture:

THE CONDITIONAL LOVE OF GOD:

Proverbs 8:17 “I LOVE THEM THAT LOVE ME: and those that seek Me early shall find Me.”

John 14:21 “He that hath My commandments and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me: and HE THAT LOVETH ME SHALL BE LOVED OF MY FATHER, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.”

John 14:23 “Jesus answered and said unto him, IF A MAN LOVE ME, he will keep My words; AND MY FATHER WILL LOVE HIM, and We will come unto him, and make Our abode with him.”

John 15:10 “IF ye keep My commandments, YE SHALL ABIDE IN MY LOVE; even as I kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.”

John 16:27 “For the FATHER HIMSELF LOVETH YOU, BECAUSE YE HAVE LOVED ME, and have believed that I came out from God.”

I John 2:15 “Love not the world, neither the things in the world. IF any man love the world, THE LOVE OF THE FATHER IS NOT IN HIM.”​


Source used:
Does God Hate Sinners?
(Note: I only quoted the portion of the article I agree with; This does not mean I agree with anything else the author believes, says, or does).
First off: You only gave me the video to comment on and that is what I did.

Secondly, I do not agree with the definition of Godly “hate” being “Loveless”. It takes more Love to Love a person you hate. Godly type Love is not something natural to humans it is way beyond anything: instinctive, learnable, earnable, or something you could pay back. Only Christians humans have Godly type Love here on earth, while everyone can and does hate. Hate is a natural emotion of humans.

You say: “the love of God does not abide on those who do not believe, but they are condemned for not believing.”

The indwelling Holy Spirit with Godly type Love abides in the Christian only.

Did Christ not show Love for those unbelieving, false teaching Pharisees who were out to kill Him?

I see, Christ doing all He could to help Judas even though Christ knew what Judas would do and that he was hell bound and it would have been better off for him: “not to have been born”.

Yes, pharisees were condemned for not believing and Jesus spoke specifically about them being condemned.

We were all under condemnation (hell bound) at one time and Loved by God in spite of what we had done, were doing and would do.

Being condemned to hell as I was, helped me realize the need to repent sooner then later.

I would hate to have a hell bound child and might hate that child for the pain he/she brings to others, but I would still Love that child.

I agree with the fact God and Christ hated sinners and I was one they hated.
 
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As for your statement about how hell is not about revenge:

John 19:11-12
Jesus answered, “You would have no authority over Me, unless it had been given you from above; for this reason he who delivered Me up to you has the greater sin.”

Even Jesus acknowledged some sins are greater than others, and this is consistent with what God has revealed about sin from the earliest of times.

There Degrees of Punishment on Earth
When God gave the Law to Moses, He prescribed different levels of punishment for different kinds of sins, based on the offensive or heinous nature of the sin under consideration. The Mosaic Law is filled with measured responses to sin. God’s Word prescribes punishments matching the crimes in question:

Exodus 21:23-25
But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

In fact, the Mosaic Law required each offender be punished “according to his guilt” and no more:

Deuteronomy 25:2-3
…then it shall be if the wicked man deserves to be beaten, the judge shall then make him lie down and be beaten in his presence with the number of stripes according to his guilt. He may beat him forty times but no more, lest he beat him with many more stripes than these, and your brother be degraded in your eyes.

The Mosaic Law is evidence of two important truths: First, while any sin may separate you from the perfection of God, some sins are clearly more offensive than others. Second, God prescribes different punishments for different crimes based on the severity of each crime.

There Are Degrees of Punishment in Hell
God applies this principle in the next life as well. God prescribes a variety of punishments in the next life corresponding to the crimes committed in this one:

Revelation 20:12-13
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.

Jesus affirmed this truth in the Parable of the Wicked Servant:

Luke 12:42-48
And the Lord said, “Who then is the faithful and sensible steward, whom his master will put in charge of his servants, to give them their rations at the proper time? Blessed is that slave whom his master finds so doing when he comes. Truly I say to you, that he will put him in charge of all his possessions. But if that slave says in his heart, ‘My master will be a long time in coming,’ and begins to beat the slaves, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk; the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him, and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces, and assign him a place with the unbelievers. And that slave who knew his master’s will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, shall receive many lashes, but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few. And from everyone who has been given much shall much be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more.​

Anyways, the point I wanted to bring up here is that God does in a way get revenge or give justice to those who do evil or wrong things. Nobody is not going to be punished unfairly or not punished at all.

Source:
Are There Different Degrees of Punishment in Hell? | Cold Case Christianity
(Note: I agree with the portion of the article I quoted, and that does not mean I agree with the author in all of what he believes, says, and does).

Side Note:

Sometimes I will quote other authors because they can say it in a way that is better than me.
I never suggested there were not degrees of punishment in hell because that is what I believe from reading scripture, but just because one person did greater sins on earth while on earth deserving of greater punishment, does not mean God is looking for more revenge from them. That tells me: "Not only will I be punished in hell for not accepting God's charity, but I will be punished more severely then others who were not as bad as I was.
 
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I never suggested there were not degrees of punishment in hell because that is what I believe from reading scripture, but just because one person did greater sins on earth while on earth deserving of greater punishment, does not mean God is looking for more revenge from them. That tells me: "Not only will I be punished in hell for not accepting God's charity, but I will be punished more severely then others who were not as bad as I was.

Well you said God does not take revenge. Lets look at that word in the dictionary.

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Revenge | Definition of Revenge by Webster's Online Dictionary

As we can see as one of the definitions for “revenge,” it says: “To take vengeance.”

Romans 12:19 says,
“Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves,
but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written,
Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

So it looks like what you are saying is not lining up with what God's Word says.
 
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First off: You only gave me the video to comment on and that is what I did.

Secondly, I do not agree with the definition of Godly “hate” being “Loveless”. It takes more Love to Love a person you hate. Godly type Love is not something natural to humans it is way beyond anything: instinctive, learnable, earnable, or something you could pay back. Only Christians humans have Godly type Love here on earth, while everyone can and does hate. Hate is a natural emotion of humans.

You say: “the love of God does not abide on those who do not believe, but they are condemned for not believing.”

The indwelling Holy Spirit with Godly type Love abides in the Christian only.

Did Christ not show Love for those unbelieving, false teaching Pharisees who were out to kill Him?

I see, Christ doing all He could to help Judas even though Christ knew what Judas would do and that he was hell bound and it would have been better off for him: “not to have been born”.

Yes, pharisees were condemned for not believing and Jesus spoke specifically about them being condemned.

We were all under condemnation (hell bound) at one time and Loved by God in spite of what we had done, were doing and would do.

Being condemned to hell as I was, helped me realize the need to repent sooner then later.

I would hate to have a hell bound child and might hate that child for the pain he/she brings to others, but I would still Love that child.

I agree with the fact God and Christ hated sinners and I was one they hated.

*Sigh* Your not getting what I was trying to say.

#1. God can love those who are doing wrong and or sinning, but He also can hate them for their sin, too. In other words, God does not destroy them right away but He gives them time and space to repent so as to be saved (i.e. love). He sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son. God has a general love for mankind but this does not continue if they refuse to repent and change their ways.

#2. If a wicked person refuses to repent in this life, I believe God completely removes His love from them and they will then only face the wrath of God. God does not love those who in the end, choose evil and wickedness. In other words, I don't believe God loves those who are in hell or God loved those wicked people who were destroyed in the global flood. Sure, God may have loved them at one point in time while they were alive in giving them space and time to repent, but that love ended the moment they died and went to hell.

#3. God calls us to love the sinner and hate their sin. This is not always the case with God because God knows the future and hearts of all people. For example: In Revelation 13:8, and Revelation 17:8 we learn that there are those whose names are not written in the book of life since the foundation of the world. This means God knows what their choice was going to be in that they were going to worship the beast in the future and Jesus never died for these particular people because of the exceptional evil they were going to do (i.e. By worshiping the beast). This means God's love never really was available for them because God knew their free will choice in regards to Him before they even made it. Salvation was not even on the table for them because of the evil that God knew that they would do of their own free will choice. So I can see that when the Bible says God is angry at the wicked and He abhors them, these types of folk would definitely fall under that type of words used in the Bible.

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Sorry about the video and not explaining better with it. I am explaining these things now (So hopefully you will see where I am coming from).
 
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Where was the love of God for Saul when the Spirit of God departed from him?
Saul tried to repent but it was too late. He did things that were exceptionally wrong over and over and over again to a point that God said... enough. Saul started out good as a man of God, but in the end I believe he ended up in hell. Saul is a perfect example of conditional salvation or the conditional love of God.

Yes, I believe there is a temporary unconditional love for most in that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, and in the fact that He gives people space and time to repent, and that He sends rain on the righteous, and the unrighteous, etc.; God's love is amazing! God can forgive people and redeem them of many evils. But it does come with conditions ultimately. Only Univeral Salvationists believe God's love is truly unconditional.
 
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As you point out: 1 John 2:1 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin…

It is “but if” and not “but when”. John is not saying all of us will sin in the future and even though our sins are immediately washed away, sin is not something we want to do.

If it is not frighting fear that keeps us from sinning (which never seems to work anyway), how do we keep from sinning?

As servants of God we are walking progress in the word of God. Jesus says in Matthew 4: 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. So you learn word of God from Genesis to Revelation, in doing so you may learn that your transgression (sin) and not know it. In
(1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) Also for example Jesus says in Matthew 5: 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Also Paul says in Ephesians 4: Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: Also Paul says in Romans 7: Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. There others example on situation in life in the word of God, also that challenge us or that we have to deal with, that we learn from as well.

Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved. Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)
 
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Well you said God does not take revenge. Lets look at that word in the dictionary.

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Revenge | Definition of Revenge by Webster's Online Dictionary

As we can see as one of the definitions for “revenge,” it says: “To take vengeance.”

Romans 12:19 says,
“Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves,
but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written,
Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

So it looks like what you are saying is not lining up with what God's Word says.
Those definitions work: “a return of evil for evil” which is what we are told not to do, so is God a hypocrite?

“The indulgence of revenge tends to make men more savage and crueller”, so is God our example of being savage and cruel?

How would it ever be possible for an act against man satisfy what man has done against God?

Does God get satisfaction out of sending people to hell?

Let us look at Romans 12:19 says,

“Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves,

but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written,

Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.”

First off you have to look at the whole passage: Ro. 12: 17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[d] says the Lord. 20 On the contrary:

“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;

if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.

In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”[e]

21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

Sins are really against God and not us personally, so we are to help the sinner to stop sinning, but never take revenge against the sinner. Sins against God are really punished with hell and nothing less. Christians are disciplined, but the nonbelieving sinner does not correctly accept God’s discipline, so punishment is left.

“Punishment”/ “wrath” by God of His children (all people) in this life should be accepted as Loving discipline.

The greatest hurt and anger (hatred), I feel, is when one of my children intentionally hurts another one of my children, but I sure do not want the child hurt to take revenge on the child who hurt them. My job as a parent is to help resolve my children’s issues and their actions reflect on my parenting. God has done the very best with us, so our actions do not reflect on His parenting, but He does what He can to help us resolve our issues.
 
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Good Day,

Gods work of giving and putting is the only effective cause of our obedience.

Eze 36:26 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.

In Him,

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*Sigh* Your not getting what I was trying to say.

#1. God can love those who are doing wrong and or sinning, but He also can hate them for their sin, too. In other words, God does not destroy them right away but He gives them time and space to repent so as to be saved (i.e. love). He sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son. God has a general love for mankind but this does not continue if they refuse to repent and change their ways.

#2. If a wicked person refuses to repent in this life, I believe God completely removes His love from them and they will then only face the wrath of God. God does not love those who in the end, choose evil and wickedness. In other words, I don't believe God loves those who are in hell or God loved those wicked people who were destroyed in the global flood. Sure, God may have loved them at one point in time while they were alive in giving them space and time to repent, but that love ended the moment they died and went to hell.

#3. God calls us to love the sinner and hate their sin. This is not always the case with God because God knows the future and hearts of all people. For example: In Revelation 13:8, and Revelation 17:8 we learn that there are those whose names are not written in the book of life since the foundation of the world. This means God knows what their choice was going to be in that they were going to worship the beast in the future and Jesus never died for these particular people because of the exceptional evil they were going to do (i.e. By worshiping the beast). This means God's love never really was available for them because God knew their free will choice in regards to Him before they even made it. Salvation was not even on the table for them because of the evil that God knew that they would do of their own free will choice. So I can see that when the Bible says God is angry at the wicked and He abhors them, these types of folk would definitely fall under that type of words used in the Bible.

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Sorry about the video and not explaining better with it. I am explaining these things now (So hopefully you will see where I am coming from).
I would say: “God does not Love dead people, but those who have gone through the second death are dead.” God is the God of the living.

If I knew what one of my children was going to do in the future, I could not help but treat them differently. They would thus be able to look back from their future state of evil and say: “It is my dad’s fault for the way I am, because he treated me differently”, even if it was not my fault, my child would be right about my treating him/her differently. Can anyone blame even in part someway their going to hell, being God’s fault (satan’s fault, Adam & Eve’s fault, bad luck, evil in the world).

Can Judas say: “I am in hell because Christ selected me, did not warn me, would not forgive me after I betrayed Him, did not Love me or treated me differently then the way he treated the other 11?”
 
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Where was the love of God for Saul when the Spirit of God departed from him?
Saul tried to repent but it was too late. He did things that were exceptionally wrong over and over and over again to a point that God said... enough. Saul started out good as a man of God, but in the end I believe he ended up in hell. Saul is a perfect example of conditional salvation or the conditional love of God.

Yes, I believe there is a temporary unconditional love for most in that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, and in the fact that He gives people space and time to repent, and that He sends rain on the righteous, and the unrighteous, etc.; God's love is amazing! God can forgive people and redeem them of many evils. But it does come with conditions ultimately. Only Univeral Salvationists believe God's love is truly unconditional.
Are you allowed to “Love” conditionally?

Did Christ “Love” others conditionally?

God Loving others unconditionally does not mean they will all accept that Love as pure unconditional, undeserved charity. Love is a transaction, where the receiver of the Love has a part to play (humble acceptance), so some are not saved, but it is not the result of God not Loving them.

Salvation come with the condition of us just being willing to accept God’s charity as pure undeserved charity.

Scripture does not say: “God quit Loving King Saul”, but does say God took His Spirit away from Saul.

Even if Saul had repented, did Saul then deserve to have the Spirit with him?

Yes, it might be to late for Saul to truly learn anything from God’s Spirit being taken from him, so it was not taken from him to help Saul, but it does help all of us.

True repentance is a heart thing, so did Saul ever truly repent?
 
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As servants of God we are walking progress in the word of God. Jesus says in Matthew 4: 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. So you learn word of God from Genesis to Revelation, in doing so you may learn that your transgression (sin) and not know it. In
(1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) Also for example Jesus says in Matthew 5: 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Also Paul says in Ephesians 4: Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: Also Paul says in Romans 7: Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. There others example on situation in life in the word of God, also that challenge us or that we have to deal with, that we learn from as well.

Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved. Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)
I am not saying, unfortnutely, "I quit sinning", but I do say: "I have been given the power and Love not to ever sin again", in the indwelling Holy Spirit and Godly type Love. I, to frequently, quench the Spirit go out on my own and sin.
Do you not consider it "Good News" to know you do not have to sin again? Ro. 7 section is writen in the "Historic Present Tense".
 
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