WHY THE LAW IS A PART OF THE GOSPEL

[Studyman]

Can you show Abraham keeping the 4th commandment in the Book of Genesis?
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First you deflect from answering my questions, now you must change the subject. And of course you must.

We know Abraham kept "God's" Commandments, Statutes and Laws, including God's Judgments.

Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;

5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

But we also know Abraham wasn't "under" the Levitical Priesthood, his Priest was Melchizedek, Levi wasn't even born yet. God had not yet made an atonement Covenant with Levi, "because of transgressions".

So the Levite Priest didn't take the blood of a turtle dove Abraham killed, to justify Abraham, he was justified "apart" from the Justification LAW "ADDED" 430 years after him.

What matter does it make if you single out the 2nd "Commandment", or the 3rd "Commandment", or the 7th "Commandment" and ask the same question?

God said Abraham kept God's Commandments and Laws. Just because your religion Judges some of God's Commandments as irrelevant, doesn't mean they are.

As for the 4th Commandment, the Bible is full of religious men claiming the God of Abraham as their God, who despised HIS Laws and polluted HIS Sabbaths.

Ez. 22:25 There is a conspiracy of her prophets in the midst thereof, like a roaring lion ravening the prey; they have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof.

26 Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.

And again.

Ez. 20:10 Wherefore I caused them to go forth out of the land of Egypt, and brought them into the wilderness.

11 And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them.

12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

13 But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and my sabbaths they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them.

I think Genesis is clear that Abraham obeyed God's Commandments. He didn't despise them, pollute them or judge them. At least according to the God of the Bible.

 

[BABerean2]

We know Abraham kept "God's" Commandments, Statutes and Laws, including God's Judgments.

Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;

5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

That seed of Abraham through which all the nations would be blessed is found below.

Gal 3:16 and to Abraham were the promises spoken, and to his seed; He doth not say, 'And to seeds,' as of many, but as of one, 'And to thy seed,' which is Christ;


Col 2:16 Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,
Col 2:17 which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body is of the Christ;



Deu 5:1 And Moses calleth unto all Israel, and saith unto them, 'Hear, Israel, the statutes and the judgments which I am speaking in your ears to-day, and ye have learned them, and have observed to do them.
Deu 5:2 Jehovah our God made with us a covenant in Horeb;
Deu 5:3 not with our fathers hath Jehovah made this covenant, but with us; we—these—here to-day—all of us alive.
Deu 5:4 Face to face hath Jehovah spoken with you, in the mount, out of the midst of the fire;
Deu 5:5 I am standing between Jehovah and you, at that time, to declare to you the word of Jehovah, for ye have been afraid from the presence of the fire, and ye have not gone up into the mount; saying:
Deu 5:6 'I Jehovah am thy God, who hath brought thee out from the land of Egypt, from a house of servants.
Deu 5:7 'Thou hast no other gods in My presence.
Deu 5:8 'Thou dost not make to thee a graven image, any similitude which is in the heavens above, and which is in the earth beneath, and which is in the waters under the earth;
Deu 5:9 thou dost not bow thyself to them nor serve them, for I Jehovah thy God am a zealous God, charging iniquity of fathers on children, and on a third generation , and on a fourth, to those hating Me;
Deu 5:10 and doing kindness to thousands, to those loving Me, and to those keeping My commands.
Deu 5:11 'Thou dost not take up the Name of Jehovah thy God for a vain thing, for Jehovah doth not acquit him who taketh up His Name for a vain thing.
Deu 5:12 'Observe the day of the sabbath—to sanctify it, as Jehovah thy God hath commanded thee;
Deu 5:13 six days thou dost labour, and hast done all thy work,
Deu 5:14 and the seventh day is a sabbath to Jehovah thy God; thou dost not do any work, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy man-servant, and thy handmaid, and thine ox, and thine ass, and all thy cattle, and thy sojourner who is within thy gates; so that thy man-servant, and thy handmaid doth rest like thyself;
Deu 5:15 and thou hast remembered that a servant thou hast been in the land of Egypt, and Jehovah thy God is bringing thee out thence by a strong hand, and by a stretched-out arm; therefore hath Jehovah thy God commanded thee to keep the day of the sabbath.
Deu 5:16 'Honour thy father and thy mother, as Jehovah thy God hath commanded thee, so that thy days are prolonged, and so that it is well with thee, on the ground which Jehovah thy God is giving to thee.
Deu 5:17 'Thou dost not murder.
Deu 5:18 'Thou dost not commit adultery.
Deu 5:19 'Thou dost not steal.
Deu 5:20 'Thou dost not answer against thy neighbour—a false testimony.
Deu 5:21 'Thou dost not desire thy neighbour's wife; nor dost thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, and his man-servant, and his handmaid, his ox, and his ass, and anything which is thy neighbour's.
Deu 5:22 'These words hath Jehovah spoken unto all your assembly, in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness—a great voice; and He hath not added, and He writeth them on two tables of stone, and giveth them unto me.

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[LoveGodsWord]

That seed of Abraham through which all the nations would be blessed is found below.

Gal 3:16 and to Abraham were the promises spoken, and to his seed; He doth not say, 'And to seeds,' as of many, but as of one, 'And to thy seed,' which is Christ;


Col 2:16 Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,
Col 2:17 which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body is of the Christ;


Deu 5:1 And Moses calleth unto all Israel, and saith unto them, 'Hear, Israel, the statutes and the judgments which I am speaking in your ears to-day, and ye have learned them, and have observed to do them.
Deu 5:2 Jehovah our God made with us a covenant in Horeb;
Deu 5:3 not with our fathers hath Jehovah made this covenant, but with us; we—these—here to-day—all of us alive.
Deu 5:4 Face to face hath Jehovah spoken with you, in the mount, out of the midst of the fire;
Deu 5:5 I am standing between Jehovah and you, at that time, to declare to you the word of Jehovah, for ye have been afraid from the presence of the fire, and ye have not gone up into the mount; saying:
Deu 5:6 'I Jehovah am thy God, who hath brought thee out from the land of Egypt, from a house of servants.
Deu 5:7 'Thou hast no other gods in My presence.
Deu 5:8 'Thou dost not make to thee a graven image, any similitude which is in the heavens above, and which is in the earth beneath, and which is in the waters under the earth;
Deu 5:9 thou dost not bow thyself to them nor serve them, for I Jehovah thy God am a zealous God, charging iniquity of fathers on children, and on a third generation , and on a fourth, to those hating Me;
Deu 5:10 and doing kindness to thousands, to those loving Me, and to those keeping My commands.
Deu 5:11 'Thou dost not take up the Name of Jehovah thy God for a vain thing, for Jehovah doth not acquit him who taketh up His Name for a vain thing.
Deu 5:12 'Observe the day of the sabbath—to sanctify it, as Jehovah thy God hath commanded thee;
Deu 5:13 six days thou dost labour, and hast done all thy work,
Deu 5:14 and the seventh day is a sabbath to Jehovah thy God; thou dost not do any work, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy man-servant, and thy handmaid, and thine ox, and thine ass, and all thy cattle, and thy sojourner who is within thy gates; so that thy man-servant, and thy handmaid doth rest like thyself;
Deu 5:15 and thou hast remembered that a servant thou hast been in the land of Egypt, and Jehovah thy God is bringing thee out thence by a strong hand, and by a stretched-out arm; therefore hath Jehovah thy God commanded thee to keep the day of the sabbath.
Deu 5:16 'Honour thy father and thy mother, as Jehovah thy God hath commanded thee, so that thy days are prolonged, and so that it is well with thee, on the ground which Jehovah thy God is giving to thee.
Deu 5:17 'Thou dost not murder.
Deu 5:18 'Thou dost not commit adultery.
Deu 5:19 'Thou dost not steal.
Deu 5:20 'Thou dost not answer against thy neighbour—a false testimony.
Deu 5:21 'Thou dost not desire thy neighbour's wife; nor dost thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, and his man-servant, and his handmaid, his ox, and his ass, and anything which is thy neighbour's.
Deu 5:22 'These words hath Jehovah spoken unto all your assembly, in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness—a great voice; and He hath not added, and He writeth them on two tables of stone, and giveth them unto me..

Hello BABerean2,

You have a little catching up to do. You keep re-posting the same thing over and over without addressing anyone's posts and the scriptures that disagree with you. Your claims about the Sabbath being a "shadow law" was addressed in a detailed scripture response in post # 71; post # 72 showing that it is impossible for Gods' 4th commandment to be a shadow of anything (post # 72). Your response of course was just to ignore the scripture context you left out showing that Colossians 2:16 is in reference to the annual sabbaths in the annual Feast days not Gods 4th commandment (post # 71). Ignoring Gods' Word dear friend will not make it disappear according to Jesus in John 12:47-48.

HOW THE SABBATH WAS CHANGED TO SUNDAY WORSHIP

UNLEARN THE LIES ...

Anyhow thanks I am really enjoying our conversation and the chance to share God's Word. May you receive Gods 'Word and be blessed. We should not ignore Gods' Words according to Jesus in John 12:47-48.

 

[Studyman]

That seed of Abraham through which all the nations would be blessed is found below.
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Again you deflect and change the subject.


You asked; "Can you show Abraham keeping the 4th commandment in the Book of Genesis?"

I answered your question with His Holy Scriptures.

We know Abraham kept "God's" Commandments, Statutes and Laws, including God's Judgments.

Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;

5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Can you please quit moving the bar every time the Scriptures give you an answer that you don't believe?

 

[BABerean2]

Again you deflect and change the subject.


You asked; "Can you show Abraham keeping the 4th commandment in the Book of Genesis?"

I answered your question with His Holy Scriptures.

We know Abraham kept "God's" Commandments, Statutes and Laws, including God's Judgments.

Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;

5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Can you please quit moving the bar every time the Scriptures give you an answer that you don't believe?

If you can show us where God commanded Abraham to keep the commandments found below, we would all love to see it in the text from the Book of Genesis.

When Moses said the Sinai Covenant was not given at an earlier time in verse 3 below, do you believe what Moses said?


Deu 5:1 And Moses calleth unto all Israel, and saith unto them, 'Hear, Israel, the statutes and the judgments which I am speaking in your ears to-day, and ye have learned them, and have observed to do them.
Deu 5:2 Jehovah our God made with us a covenant in Horeb;
Deu 5:3 not with our fathers hath Jehovah made this covenant, but with us; we—these—here to-day—all of us alive.
Deu 5:4 Face to face hath Jehovah spoken with you, in the mount, out of the midst of the fire;
Deu 5:5 I am standing between Jehovah and you, at that time, to declare to you the word of Jehovah, for ye have been afraid from the presence of the fire, and ye have not gone up into the mount; saying:
Deu 5:6 'I Jehovah am thy God, who hath brought thee out from the land of Egypt, from a house of servants.
Deu 5:7 'Thou hast no other gods in My presence.
Deu 5:8 'Thou dost not make to thee a graven image, any similitude which is in the heavens above, and which is in the earth beneath, and which is in the waters under the earth;
Deu 5:9 thou dost not bow thyself to them nor serve them, for I Jehovah thy God am a zealous God, charging iniquity of fathers on children, and on a third generation , and on a fourth, to those hating Me;
Deu 5:10 and doing kindness to thousands, to those loving Me, and to those keeping My commands.
Deu 5:11 'Thou dost not take up the Name of Jehovah thy God for a vain thing, for Jehovah doth not acquit him who taketh up His Name for a vain thing.
Deu 5:12 'Observe the day of the sabbath—to sanctify it, as Jehovah thy God hath commanded thee;
Deu 5:13 six days thou dost labour, and hast done all thy work,
Deu 5:14 and the seventh day is a sabbath to Jehovah thy God; thou dost not do any work, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy man-servant, and thy handmaid, and thine ox, and thine ass, and all thy cattle, and thy sojourner who is within thy gates; so that thy man-servant, and thy handmaid doth rest like thyself;
Deu 5:15 and thou hast remembered that a servant thou hast been in the land of Egypt, and Jehovah thy God is bringing thee out thence by a strong hand, and by a stretched-out arm; therefore hath Jehovah thy God commanded thee to keep the day of the sabbath.
Deu 5:16 'Honour thy father and thy mother, as Jehovah thy God hath commanded thee, so that thy days are prolonged, and so that it is well with thee, on the ground which Jehovah thy God is giving to thee.
Deu 5:17 'Thou dost not murder.
Deu 5:18 'Thou dost not commit adultery.
Deu 5:19 'Thou dost not steal.
Deu 5:20 'Thou dost not answer against thy neighbour—a false testimony.
Deu 5:21 'Thou dost not desire thy neighbour's wife; nor dost thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, and his man-servant, and his handmaid, his ox, and his ass, and anything which is thy neighbour's.
Deu 5:22 'These words hath Jehovah spoken unto all your assembly, in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness—a great voice; and He hath not added, and He writeth them on two tables of stone, and giveth them unto me.


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[BABerean2]

Your response of course was just to ignore the scripture context you left out showing that Colossians 2:16 is in reference to the annual sabbaths in the annual Feast days not Gods 4th commandment (post # 71). Ignoring Gods' Word dear friend will not make it disappear according to Jesus in John 12:47-48.

Was Colossians 2:16-17 recorded by the same Apostle Paul who told the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage" in the passage below? Do you think the two passages are related?


Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

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Are you talking about the same Jesus who healed a man on the Sabbath day and told the man to pick up his bedroll?

Joh 5:1 After this there was a feast of the Jews; and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
Joh 5:2 Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches.
Joh 5:3 In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water.
Joh 5:4 For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.
Joh 5:5 And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years.
Joh 5:6 When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole?
Joh 5:7 The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me.
Joh 5:8 Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.
Joh 5:9 And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath.
Joh 5:10 The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed.
Joh 5:11 He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk.
Joh 5:12 Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk?
Joh 5:13 And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place.
Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
Joh 5:15 The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole.
Joh 5:16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

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[Studyman]

If you can show us where God commanded Abraham to keep the commandments found below, we would all love to see it in the text from the Book of Genesis.

When Moses said the Sinai Covenant was not given at an earlier time in verse 3 below, do you believe what Moses said?


Deu 5:1 And Moses calleth unto all Israel, and saith unto them, 'Hear, Israel, the statutes and the judgments which I am speaking in your ears to-day, and ye have learned them, and have observed to do them.
Deu 5:2 Jehovah our God made with us a covenant in Horeb;
Deu 5:3 not with our fathers hath Jehovah made this covenant, but with us; we—these—here to-day—all of us alive.
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I posted where God said He would consume Israel because they broke His Covenant of Abraham He gave Abraham's Children. I asked you, why are they still alive in Duet 5?

This is Speaking about the 2nd Covenant, after Israel broke the first one. It included God's Commandments, Statutes, and Laws, just as the first one, but this time GOD "ADDED" to His Laws, a Covenant God made with Levi to provide for the atonement of sins, "Because of Transgressions" till the Seed should Come..

There is But One God, and this God has Laws, Statutes, and Commandments, which HE said Abraham kept. He gave HIS Covenant of Abraham to Abraham's Children which they Broke. So Moses went up a 2nd time and received a NEW LAW, which included the same Commandments, Statutes and Laws HE gave them at first, "The same Word's which were on the first Tablets", but this time HE also "ADDED" to His Law a Covenant with Levi to provide for the atonement of sin until the true High Priest should come. A Covenant that HE didn't make with their fathers, including Abraham.

I posted the scriptures, but you ignore them.

Jer. 7: 22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

Mal. 2:4 And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

5 My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name. (Ex. 32:26) Why don't you at least look it up.

6 The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.

7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.

8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.


I'm showing this to you because Jesus Prophesied of religious men coming in His Name deceiving "many", actually, the whole World. Not that they might come, but that they will. One such deceit, is that God's judgments and Laws for Abraham was different than for Abraham's Children. This is not taught in the Bible, but it is taught in the mainstream religions of this world, of which you are promoting.

Jesus said the Truth would set us free. This is why I post scriptures and ask questions. But you seem more interested in justifying your own religion, than examining Scriptures for the purpose of discerning Biblical Truth.

I have shown you before, God's Very own Definition of HIS Very Own New Covenant. But you ignore Him. I pointed out that it dealt with 2 things.

#1. How God's Laws are administered.

#2. How Transgression of God's Laws are atoned for.

As for God's Laws, HE said HE will place them in our mind. No more do we seek out a Levite Priest, or man made shrine of worship to learn about God's instructions. You and I have the Oracles of God in our own homes, our own minds. Just as God Promised. No more Levite to "Read Moses" to us. No more Levite to "sprinkle the blood of the turtle dove on the alter to atone for our sins. We are Justified by Faith, not these sacrificial "works of the Law" the Jews were still "bewitching" the Galatians with.

And yet you promote a Gospel in which God's Laws are obsolete. That God's judgment for Abraham was different than God's Judgments for Abraham's Children.

This religious philosophy you promote is popular, and "many" walk the path you are promoting. But it seems we should follow the instructions of the Christ, and consider "Every Word" which Proceeds from God. When a man does this, the prophesied false teaching can be discerned.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hello BABerean2,

Why do you think posting the same thing over and over in repetition while ignoring the scripture that proves why your interpretation of them is not biblical changes the meaning of the scripture? Everything you have posted here has already been responded to in detail which you choose ignore and refuse to respond to. Why do you disagree or ignore the contexts of the scriptures that disagree with your interpretation of them?

Was Colossians 2:16-17 recorded by the same Apostle Paul who told the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage" in the passage below? Do you think the two passages are related?

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

Your claims about the Sabbath being a "shadow law" was addressed in a detailed scripture response in post # 71; post # 72 showing that it is impossible for Gods' 4th commandment to be a shadow of anything (post # 72). Your response of course was just to ignore the scripture context you left out showing that Colossians 2:16 is in reference to the annual sabbaths in the annual Feast days not Gods 4th commandment (post # 71).

Galatians 4:24-31 of course it not saying anywhere that Gods' 10 commandments are abolished. That view would be unbiblical and a contradiction of most of the new testament scriptures. Galatians 4 is talking about the two covenants and those who seek to return to the works of the law departing faith in Christ.

Your mistaken view here, I believe is what makes up the old covenant and what makes up the new covenant. You believe that the old covenant is only Gods' 10 commandments written on stone and the new covenant is faith without the requirement of obedience to Gods' Law. This teaching is not biblical but let me show from the scriptures why I say this and show what the old covenant is and what the new covenant is.

WHAT MADE UP THE OLD COVENANT?

The old covenant was made up of many sets of laws. These included God's Law (10 Commandments) spoken and written by GOD himself to his people on two tables of stone and the Mosaic book of the covenant written and spoken to God's people by MOSES containing the Civil, Sanitary, Ceremonial, Ecclesiastical laws for forgiveness of sin and sin offerings for the SANCTUARY and PRIESTHOOD [Levitical].

EXODUS 24:7 [7] And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the hearing of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

THE OLD COVENANT INCLUDED THE 10 COMMANDMENTS AND THE MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT.

The Old covenant included Gods' 10 commandment and the Mosaic book of the covenant and collectively they made of the Old covenant.

Let's look at the scriptures...

1. GOD'S LAW (10 commandments - One scripture only as we already agree on this)

EXODUS 34:28 [28] And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the COVENANT, the TEN COMMANDMENTS.

This is what you left out of your post only telling half the story...

2. THE MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT (Also part of the old covenant)

EXODUS 24:7 [7] And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the hearing of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

DEUTERONOMY 31:26 [26] TAKE THIS BOOK OF THE LAW, and put it in the side of the ark of the COVENANT of the LORD your God, that it may be there FOR A WITNESS AGAINST THEE.

DEUTERONOMY 29:21 [21] And the LORD shall separate him unto evil out of all the tribes of Israel, ACCORDING TO ALL THE CURSES OF THE COVENANT that are WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW.

EXODUS 24:7 [7], And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

DEUTERONOMY 29:21 [21], And the LORD shall separate him to evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the COVENANT THAT ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK OF THE LAW.

DEUTERONOMY 31:26 [26], Take this BOOK OF THE LAW, and put it in the SIDE OF THE ARK OF THE COVENANT of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against you.

2 KINGS 23:2 [2], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the people, both small and great: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT which was found in the house of the LORD.

2 KINGS 23:3 [3], And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THIS COVENANT THAT WERE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK. And all the people stood to the COVENANT.

2 KINGS 23:21 [21], And the king commanded all the people, saying, KEEP THE PASSOVER OF THE LORD your God, AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THIS COVENANT.

2 CHRONICLES 34:30 [30], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the priests, and the Levites, and all the people, great and small: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT that was found in the house of the LORD.

2 CHRONICLES 34:31 [31] And the king stood in his place, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments, and his testimonies, and his statutes, with all his heart, and with all his soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THE COVENANT WHICH ARE WRITTEN IN THE BOOK.

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CONCLUSION *Yep, the OLD COVENANT is not just the 10 Commandments it includes the prophetic SHADOW LAWS FROM THE MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT*

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The Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT were pointing to the NEW..

HEBREWS 9:1 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. [9] Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

EPHESIANS 2:15 [15] HAVING ABOLISHED in his flesh the enmity, even the LAW OF COMMANDMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDINANCES; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;[16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby

EZEKIEL 46:14 [14] And thou shalt prepare a meat offering for it every morning, the sixth part of an ephah, and the third part of an hin of oil, to temper with the fine flour; a MEAT OFFERING continually by a perpetual ORDINANCE unto the LORD.

NUMBERS 19:2 [2] This is the ORDINANCE OF THE LAW which the Lord hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke:

HEBREWS 10:1 [1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. [3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.

What laws are written on the heart in the NEW COVENANT promise? It is not the MOSAIC laws for remission of sin...

JEREMIAH 31:31-34 [31], Behold, the days come, says the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:[32], NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt ; MY COVENANT WHICH THEY BROKE, although I was a husband unto them, says the LORD:[33], But THIS SHALL BE MY COVENANT THAT I SHALL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISREAL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND I WILL WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE; [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

2 CORINTHIANS 3 [2], You are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: [3], Since you are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, WRITTEN NOT WITH INK, BUT WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE LIVING GOD; NOT IN TABLES OF STONE, BUT IN THE FLESHLY TABLES OF THE HEART. (see all of 2 COR 3)

The NEW COVENANT promise of LOVE is God's LAW (10 Commandments) written on the heart to LOVE through faith (HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 13:8-10)

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CONCLUSION; Jesus did not come to change or destroy GOD'S LAW (10 Commandments). It is through GOD's LAW that we have a KNOLWEDGE of what SIN is. The sabbath is still to be kept. He came to fulfil what was written of Him in the books of the law and to END the Mosaic law for remission of SIN and the penalty of SIN in those who BELIEVE. Yep it is the SHADOW laws that are fulfilled in Christ. The OLD COVENANT is made up of God's 10 Commandments and the Shadow laws in ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT.

You have your shadow laws mixed up with God's eternal LAW that give us a KNOWLEDGE of what sin is if broken. * ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:11; 1 JOHN 3:4

Are you talking about the same Jesus who healed a man on the Sabbath day and told the man to pick up his bedroll?

Your would be confused here if you believe Jesus broke the Sabbath. If Jesus broke the Sabbath we would all be lost as he would be a sinner and not Gods' perfect sacrifice for sin and the scriptures teach Jesus was sinless (Hebrews 4:15; 9:28; 2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 Peter 2:22; 1 John 3:5). Jesus came to teach us however how to correctly keep the Sabbath of God's 4 commandments that gives us a knowledge of what sin is when broken (Romans 3:20) by showing us that it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (see Matthew 12:1-12).

Hope this is helpful.

 

[BABerean2]

but this time GOD "ADDED" to His Laws, a Covenant God made with Levi to provide for the atonement of sins, "Because of Transgressions" till the Seed should Come..

There is But One God, and this God has Laws, Statutes, and Commandments, which HE said Abraham kept. He gave HIS Covenant of Abraham to Abraham's Children which they Broke. So Moses went up a 2nd time and received a NEW LAW, which included the same Commandments, Statutes and Laws HE gave them at first, "The same Word's which were on the first Tablets", but this time HE also "ADDED" to His Law a Covenant with Levi to provide for the atonement of sin until the true High Priest should come. A Covenant that HE didn't make with their fathers, including Abraham.

Can you show us the name "Levi" in the text below?

Can you show us "atonement for sin" in the text below?



Deu 5:1 And Moses called all Israel, and said to them: "Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your hearing today, that you may learn them and be careful to observe them.
Deu 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
Deu 5:3 The LORD did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.
Deu 5:4 The LORD talked with you face to face on the mountain from the midst of the fire.
Deu 5:5 I stood between the LORD and you at that time, to declare to you the word of the LORD; for you were afraid because of the fire, and you did not go up the mountain. He said:
Deu 5:6 'I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Deu 5:7 'You shall have no other gods before Me.
Deu 5:8 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;
Deu 5:9 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me,
Deu 5:10 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
Deu 5:11 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
Deu 5:12 'Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the LORD your God commanded you.
Deu 5:13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
Deu 5:14 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your ox, nor your donkey, nor any of your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you.
Deu 5:15 And remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out from there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.
Deu 5:16 'Honor your father and your mother, as the LORD your God has commanded you, that your days may be long, and that it may be well with you in the land which the LORD your God is giving you.
Deu 5:17 'You shall not murder.
Deu 5:18 'You shall not commit adultery.
Deu 5:19 'You shall not steal.
Deu 5:20 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
Deu 5:21 'You shall not covet your neighbor's wife; and you shall not desire your neighbor's house, his field, his male servant, his female servant, his ox, his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor's.'
Deu 5:22 "These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.
Deu 5:23 "So it was, when you heard the voice from the midst of the darkness, while the mountain was burning with fire, that you came near to me, all the heads of your tribes and your elders.
Deu 5:24 And you said: 'Surely the LORD our God has shown us His glory and His greatness, and we have heard His voice from the midst of the fire. We have seen this day that God speaks with man; yet he still lives.
Deu 5:25 Now therefore, why should we die? For this great fire will consume us; if we hear the voice of the LORD our God anymore, then we shall die.
Deu 5:26 For who is there of all flesh who has heard the voice of the living God speaking from the midst of the fire, as we have, and lived?
Deu 5:27 You go near and hear all that the LORD our God may say, and tell us all that the LORD our God says to you, and we will hear and do it.'
Deu 5:28 "Then the LORD heard the voice of your words when you spoke to me, and the LORD said to me: 'I have heard the voice of the words of this people which they have spoken to you. They are right in all that they have spoken.
Deu 5:29 Oh, that they had such a heart in them that they would fear Me and always keep all My commandments, that it might be well with them and with their children forever!
Deu 5:30 Go and say to them, "Return to your tents."
Deu 5:31 But as for you, stand here by Me, and I will speak to you all the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments which you shall teach them, that they may observe them in the land which I am giving them to possess.'
Deu 5:32 "Therefore you shall be careful to do as the LORD your God has commanded you; you shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left.
Deu 5:33 You shall walk in all the ways which the LORD your God has commanded you, that you may live and that it may be well with you, and that you may prolong your days in the land which you shall possess.

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[Studyman]

Can you show us the name "Levi" in the text below?

Can you show us "atonement for sin" in the text below?



Deu 5:1 And Moses called all Israel, and said to them: "Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your hearing today, that you may learn them and be careful to observe them.
Deu 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
Deu 5:3 The LORD did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.
Deu 5:4 The LORD talked with you face to face on the mountain from the midst of the fire.
Deu 5:5 I stood between the LORD and you at that time, to declare to you the word of the LORD; for you were afraid because of the fire, and you did not go up the mountain. He said:
Deu 5:6 'I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Deu 5:7 'You shall have no other gods before Me.
Deu 5:8 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;
Deu 5:9 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me,
Deu 5:10 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
Deu 5:11 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
Deu 5:12 'Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the LORD your God commanded you.
Deu 5:13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
Deu 5:14 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your ox, nor your donkey, nor any of your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you.
Deu 5:15 And remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out from there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.
Deu 5:16 'Honor your father and your mother, as the LORD your God has commanded you, that your days may be long, and that it may be well with you in the land which the LORD your God is giving you.
Deu 5:17 'You shall not murder.
Deu 5:18 'You shall not commit adultery.
Deu 5:19 'You shall not steal.
Deu 5:20 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
Deu 5:21 'You shall not covet your neighbor's wife; and you shall not desire your neighbor's house, his field, his male servant, his female servant, his ox, his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor's.'
Deu 5:22 "These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.
Deu 5:23 "So it was, when you heard the voice from the midst of the darkness, while the mountain was burning with fire, that you came near to me, all the heads of your tribes and your elders.
Deu 5:24 And you said: 'Surely the LORD our God has shown us His glory and His greatness, and we have heard His voice from the midst of the fire. We have seen this day that God speaks with man; yet he still lives.
Deu 5:25 Now therefore, why should we die? For this great fire will consume us; if we hear the voice of the LORD our God anymore, then we shall die.
Deu 5:26 For who is there of all flesh who has heard the voice of the living God speaking from the midst of the fire, as we have, and lived?
Deu 5:27 You go near and hear all that the LORD our God may say, and tell us all that the LORD our God says to you, and we will hear and do it.'
Deu 5:28 "Then the LORD heard the voice of your words when you spoke to me, and the LORD said to me: 'I have heard the voice of the words of this people which they have spoken to you. They are right in all that they have spoken.
Deu 5:29 Oh, that they had such a heart in them that they would fear Me and always keep all My commandments, that it might be well with them and with their children forever!
Deu 5:30 Go and say to them, "Return to your tents."
Deu 5:31 But as for you, stand here by Me, and I will speak to you all the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments which you shall teach them, that they may observe them in the land which I am giving them to possess.'
Deu 5:32 "Therefore you shall be careful to do as the LORD your God has commanded you; you shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left.
Deu 5:33 You shall walk in all the ways which the LORD your God has commanded you, that you may live and that it may be well with you, and that you may prolong your days in the land which you shall possess.

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It is dishonest, disrespectful to God, and unhealthy for man to separate some of God's Word from the rest of the Bible. I know you must do this in order for your religious philosophy to stand. But i can't do this, as I am purchased by the Blood of Christ, and have "Yielded myself" to His instruction.

"Man shall Live by Every Word which proceeds from the mouth of God".

You are free to create a religion which begins with the Word's of God in Deuteronomy 5 if you wish.

Of course, with out Genesis, Exodus and Leviticus, you will have absolutely no clue as to what you are talking about. This explains why you can't/wont answer the question about why there are still Israelite's alive in Duet 5.

We are engaging in an ancient battle. The Word's and instructions of the God of the Bible VS. the "other voice" in the garden.

The preaching that there was no "Atonement" which existed in Duet. 5, is absurd. The only reason there are still folks alive is BECAUSE of atonement.

Maybe you should stop listening to all the popular religious voices of this world, and "study for yourself". You have the Oracles of God in your own home.

Maybe you might consider that the scriptures are true, and the warnings contained therein are relevant.

Just a thought.

 

[BABerean2]

We are engaging in an ancient battle. The Word's and instructions of the God of the Bible VS. the "other voice" in the garden.

The battle between the New Covenant and the Old Covenant began in Acts chapter 15, and continues to the present time.

Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

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The Books of Galatians and Hebrews were written to address this battle.

Is Paul talking to me or to you in the passage below?

Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Gal 3:4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
Gal 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.


Why have you failed to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage" in the passage below?

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.


Are you saying the Apostle Paul's words are of the Devil?

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[Studyman]

The battle between the New Covenant and the Old Covenant began in Acts chapter 15, and continues to the present time.

Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

First, the religious philosophy that God saved Abraham's Children from Egypt, only to place on their neck a Law so burdensome, so many in number that it was impossible to obey, is satans doctrine.

In order to believe it, I must erase most of the Word's of the Bible, and I must also believe God is a liar.

I must also believe Jesus is a Liar, as HE tells me the Pharisees were "teaching for Doctrines the Commandments of men", not God. They claimed to be preaching the "Law of Moses", but Jesus Himself said they were not.

So to believe you and your religious philosophy, I would have to believe both Jesus, and HIS Father, are liars.

Why would I do that? So your religious franchise could make more money? NO, you can have your religion, I'm sticking to the Scriptures.

Duet. 10:12 And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,

13 To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?

But you preach to the World that God's Commandment is a "Yoke of Bondage" these men couldn't bear.

Why do you credit the Pharisees with teaching God's Laws, when Jesus said they don't. And why do you Judge God of being a liar, when you are supposed to Love Him with all your heart?

Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

Keep whose Law? Not God's, unless you believe Jesus is a Liar. And what LAWS did Peter lead these Gentiles too?

Acts 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, (True Law of Moses) and from fornication, (True Law of Moses) and from things strangled, (True Law of Moses) and from blood. (True Law of Moses)

21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

So the disciples of Christ sent the Gentiles to God's Laws, not the Pharisees Laws. Because they are two different things.

And another important Scripture you are omitting, confirms this, as Peter was directing the Gentiles to do the EXACT same thing Jesus directed Peter and those who listened to HIM to do in Matthew.

Matt. 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

They say they teach the Law of Moses, but they don't. That is why the Disciples in Acts 15 kept them away from the mainstream church of their time, a directed then straight to Moses.

4 For they ( Pharisees, not God as you falsely preach) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

This is the "Yoke of Bondage" the Pharisees were attempting to lay on the necks of the New Converts in Acts 15.

So then the ancient battle which begun in the garden with Eve, continued in Acts 15, and is still continuing between you and I.

It's not New Covenant VS. Old Covenant. It's God's Word, VS. the other religious voice in the garden.

Just as Jesus said in another place.

Matt. 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Sadly, we have been here before, you will move on, change the subject, and deflect once again, because you are more interested in defending your religious franchise, and it's philosophies, than Biblical Truth. But you can't say someone didn't show you.

The Books of Galatians and Hebrews were written to address this battle.

Is Paul talking to me or to you in the passage below?

Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Again, because you have been convinced both Jesus, and God is a liar, and it is God's LAWS that are bad, not the "children of the devil" who represented the Mainstream Religions of that time, you have corrupted these Scriptures in the same way you corrupted Acts 15.

What you are omitting this time, is the Biblical fact that these Pharisees didn't believe Jesus became their New High Priest. They didn't believe Jesus was the "Lamb of God", so they were still promoting their version of the Levitical Priesthood sacrificial "works of the Law" of Atonement for justification.

Paul is reminding the Galatians that they were not cleansed of their sins by partaking of the Levitical Priesthood sacrificial "works of the Law", but rather, by Faith in the blood of the True Lamb of God.

He goes on to explain why there was a Levitical Priesthood Law of atonement in the first place. A Law Abraham was not justified by, because this Law wasn't "ADDED" until 430 years after Abraham. He had God's Commandments, Statutes, and Laws, but not the Priesthood "After the Order of Aaron". It's in your own Bible, you just need to believe.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Those who were bewitching the Galatians didn't believe the "SEED" had come, so they were still promoting their version of the Levitical Priesthood "works of the law" for atonement.

Why have you failed to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage" in the passage below?

I have, but the Pharisees had not. The two Covenant's represent the 2 Priesthoods.

The Order of Aaron required an appointed Levite Priest, animals, and a Tabernacle with an Alter before Atonement could be achieved. There was no other way. A man was bound by these Sacrificial "works of the Law" to cleanse them, thus making them righteous. This was the bond woman.

Abraham's High Priest was "Melchizedek", and did not require these Levites to perform "Work's of the Law", rather, simple Faith and obedience to God and His instructions.

Jesus became the High Priest of God after the Order of Melchizedek. This was the free woman. The Disciples had "cast out" the bond women. but the mainstream Preachers of that time had not.

Are you saying the Apostle Paul's words are of the Devil?

No, of course not. I'm saying your preaching doesn't come from Paul, rather, from religious man. You are preaching things about him that are untrue, according to the Scriptures.

This is because of the ancient battle i spoke to you about. "Every Word of God VS. Mainstream religious philosophies of men.

 

[BABerean2]

Keep whose Law? Not God's, unless you believe Jesus is a Liar.

In context.

We know Peter was not talking about circumcision in verse 10, because it was something he did bear.

Act 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
Act 15:2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
Act 15:3 And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.
Act 15:4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
Act 15:6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Act 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Act 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
Act 15:12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.
Act 15:13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
Act 15:14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
Act 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
Act 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
Act 15:17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
Act 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
Act 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Act 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
The Council's Letter to Gentile Believers
Act 15:22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
Act 15:23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

Your argument is with Peter and Luke, instead of with me.


What Peter and Luke said agrees with Paul in Galatians 4:24-31, when Paul told the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage".

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[LoveGodsWord]

In context.

We know Peter was not talking about circumcision in verse 10, because it was something he did bear.

Act 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
Act 15:2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
Act 15:3 And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.
Act 15:4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
Act 15:6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Act 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Act 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
Act 15:12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.
Act 15:13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
Act 15:14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
Act 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
Act 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
Act 15:17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
Act 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
Act 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Act 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
The Council's Letter to Gentile Believers
Act 15:22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
Act 15:23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

Your argument is with Peter and Luke, instead of with me.


What Peter and Luke said agrees with Paul in Galatians 4:24-31, when Paul told the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage".

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Wrong.

The context you left out shows the subject matter is over the question is circumcision from the law of Moses a requirement for new gentile believers in order to receive God's salvation? This was the question that Paul and Barnabas went to Jerusalem to discuss not are the 10 commandments a requirement for Christian living.

Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2 [1], And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved. [2], When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.

Your interpretation here that Acts of the Apostles 15 is over Gods' 10 commandments has Paul in contradiction with Paul when he says sometime latter to the Corinthian believers,

1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing but the keeping of the commandments of God"

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We should be careful therefore not to try and read into the scriptures what they do not say or teach in order to support teachings that are not biblical. We should also prayerfully ask God to be our guide and teacher if we want to understand Gods' Word *John 14:26; 16:13: 7:17; 8:31-32. Sorry dear friend, Gods' Word does not teach lawlessness (without law). That is a false teaching that is not biblical because the scriptures teach that through the law is the knowledge of what sin is *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7 for when we brake anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin *1 John 3:4; James 2:10-11


Hope this is helpful.

 

[BABerean2]

The context you left out shows the subject matter is over the question is circumcision from the law of Moses a requirement for new gentile believers in order to receive God's salvation?

If the matter was only about circumcision, why did Peter say it was something he could not bear?

Peter was circumcised on the 8th day of life. He did bear the mark of circumcision.


Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?


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[LoveGodsWord]

If the matter was only about circumcision, why did Peter say it was something he could not bear?

Peter was circumcised on the 8th day of life. He did bear the mark of circumcision.


Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?


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Sorry dear friend, circumcision is not Gods' 10 commandments. Jesus and the Apostles all taught as did Paul that God's 10 commandments are a requirement for Christian living in the new testament scriptures.

Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2 [1], And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved. [2], When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.

Your interpretation here that Acts of the Apostles 15 is over Gods' 10 commandments has Paul in contradiction with Paul when he says sometime latter to the Corinthian believers,

1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing but the keeping of the commandments of God"

The Mosiac "shadow laws" for remission of sins (Levitical Priesthood, earthly Sanctuary, animal sacrifices every time we sinned, circumcision) from the book of the covenant (Exodus 24:7) was certainly a yoke not easy to bear.

Your promoting teachings that the scriptures do not say or teach.

 

[visionary]

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Well posted.

 

[BABerean2]

Your interpretation here that Acts of the Apostles 15 is over Gods' 10 commandments has Paul in contradiction with Paul when he says sometime latter to the Corinthian believers,

1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing but the keeping of the commandments of God"

Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

If Peter was circumcised, the "yoke" below could not be circumcision because it was something Peter did bear. What was left in the argument above?

Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?


Paul was saying in 1 Corinthians 7:19 God did command that male children be circumcised in the Abrahamic Covenant.
This commandment was fulfilled by Christ in the New Covenant. Therefore, New Covenant believers are not required to be circumcised in the flesh. In Romans 2:28-29 they are circumcised in the heart by the Spirit.


When Paul told the Galatians to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage" in Galatians 4:24-31, he confirmed the temporary nature of the Sinai Covenant.

In Galatians 3:16-29 Paul said the law was "added" 430 years "after" the promise made to Abraham "until" the seed (Christ) could come to whom the promise was made.
Deuteronomy 5:3 confirms what Paul said above, because this verse reveals the Sinai Covenant was not given at an earlier time.

Paul agrees with himself in all of these passages.

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[LoveGodsWord]

Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

If Peter was circumcised, the "yoke" below could not be circumcision because it was something Peter did bear. What was left in the argument above?

Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?


Paul was saying in 1 Corinthians 7:19 God did command that male children be circumcised in the Abrahamic Covenant.
This commandment was fulfilled by Christ in the New Covenant. Therefore, New Covenant believers are not required to be circumcised in the flesh. In Romans 2:28-29 they are circumcised in the heart by the Spirit.


When Paul told the Galatians to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage" in Galatians 4:24-31, he confirmed the temporary nature of the Sinai Covenant.

In Galatians 3:16-29 Paul said the law was "added" 430 years "after" the promise made to Abraham "until" the seed (Christ) could come to whom the promise was made.
Deuteronomy 5:3 confirms what Paul said above, because this verse reveals the Sinai Covenant was not given at an earlier time.

Paul agrees with himself in all of these passages.

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Your interpretation of the scriptures has Paul in contradiction with Paul. As posted earlier "CIRCUMCISION" is from the law of Moses not God's 10 commandments as are many other "shadow laws" pointing to the body of Christ *Colossians 2:17. As posted earlier the subject matter was never over the question "Are God's 10 commandments a requirement for Christian living"? The question being considered in Acts of the Apostles 15 was "Is circumcision from the law of Moses a requirement for salvation for new gentile believers"? This is the context you ignore to promote your teachings of lawlessness that is not biblical.

Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2 [1], And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved. [2], When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.

As posted earlier, interpretation here that Acts of the Apostles 15 is over Gods' 10 commandments has Paul in contradiction with Paul when he says sometime latter to the Corinthian believers,

1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing but the keeping of the commandments of God"

The Mosiac "shadow laws" for remission of sins (Levitical Priesthood, earthly Sanctuary, animal sacrifices every time we sinned, circumcision) from the book of the covenant (Exodus 24:7) was certainly a yoke not easy to bear.

I am sorry dear friend but your understanding of Galatians also seems to have problems as well. According to the scriptures bondage is not to the law but sin that the law reveals *John 8:31-34 (breaking Gods' commandments - 1 John 3:4; James 2:10-11) and it's condemnation and death (Romans 6:23) not obedience to God's law by faith that works by love (Romans 3:31; Romans 8:1-4). Paul is not saying in one breath God's 10 commandments are holy, just and good and in another if we obey them then we are in bondage to the law. It is sin that we are on bondage to not the law. This is why Paul says that the Law is holy, just and good because the law gives us a knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7. Your teachings once again has Paul in contradiction with Paul. According to the new covenant scriptures, sin (breaking God' commandments and not believing and following God's Word) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:6-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14.

Your promoting teachings that are not biblical.