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I'd say Psalms 45:9 is relevant. As is Revelation 11:19, Revelation 12:1, and Revelation 12:5.

Further she is a Queen because she is the Queen-Mother, and Christ is the King.
 
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Is Mary the queen of heaven because Jesus id the king of the jaws and a king needs a queen or revelation 12 is symbolic for israel
No, Mary is not the queen of Heaven.
 
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No Mary is not the queen of heaven.

Rev 12:5 is followed up by Rev 12:6

And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

See the difference between how Solomon greeted his mother 1Kings 2:19 and Jesus in Mark 3:31-35 Solomon bows down whereas Jesus does no such thing.

Jesus made Mary, so I dont see how he would ever bow before his own creation as Solomon would have naturally.
 
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Jesus made Mary, so I dont see how he would ever bow before his own creation as Solomon would have naturally.

From the Eastern Orthodox service of Holy Thursday, The Son of God did a lot of things before His own creation.

Today is suspended on a tree He who suspended the earth upon the waters.
The King of the angels is decked with a crown of thorns.
He who wraps the heavens in clouds is wrapped in the purple of mockery.
He who freed Adam in the Jordan is slapped on the face.
The Bridegroom of the Church is affixed to the Cross with nails.
The Son of the Virgin is pierced by a spear.
We worship Thy passion, O Christ.
We worship Thy passion, O Christ.
We worship Thy passion, O Christ.
Show us also Thy glorious resurrection.
 
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From the Eastern Orthodox service of Holy Thursday, The Son of God did a lot of things before His own creation.

Today is suspended on a tree He who suspended the earth upon the waters.
The King of the angels is decked with a crown of thorns.
He who wraps the heavens in clouds is wrapped in the purple of mockery.
He who freed Adam in the Jordan is slapped on the face.
The Bridegroom of the Church is affixed to the Cross with nails.
The Son of the Virgin is pierced by a spear.
We worship Thy passion, O Christ.
We worship Thy passion, O Christ.
We worship Thy passion, O Christ.
Show us also Thy glorious resurrection.

Thanks for sharing?
 
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From the Eastern Orthodox service of Holy Thursday, The Son of God did a lot of things before His own creation.

Today is suspended on a tree He who suspended the earth upon the waters.
The King of the angels is decked with a crown of thorns.
He who wraps the heavens in clouds is wrapped in the purple of mockery.
He who freed Adam in the Jordan is slapped on the face.
The Bridegroom of the Church is affixed to the Cross with nails.
The Son of the Virgin is pierced by a spear.
We worship Thy passion, O Christ.
We worship Thy passion, O Christ.
We worship Thy passion, O Christ.
Show us also Thy glorious resurrection.

Christos Anesti!
 
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Revelation 12

12 And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars; 2 she was with child and she cried out in her pangs of birth, in anguish for delivery. 3 And another portent appeared in heaven; behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems upon his heads. 4 His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to bear a child, that he might devour her child when she brought it forth; 5 she brought forth a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, 6 and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which to be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days.

Mary, Queen of heaven. A crown of 12 stars. She gives birth to Jesus, Our Lord and God. The devil tries to devour Our Lord and fails.

The above passage is proof that Mary is indeed Queen of heaven.
 
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Is Mary the queen of heaven because Jesus id the king of the jaws and a king needs a queen or revelation 12 is symbolic for israel

Hi dox,

The Lord said there was no marrying in heaven.

`For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like the angels of God in heaven.` (Matt. 22: 30)
 
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Hi dox,

The Lord said there was no marrying in heaven.

`For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like the angels of God in heaven.` (Matt. 22: 30)
friend this is an awful rebuttal to the Queen of Heaven belief you understand that the Queen of Heaven belief is a belief that Mary has a spiritual marriage with Jesus not a literal marriage with Jesus they can hold the belief Mary is Queen of Heaven and still be contained with the scripture you shown
 
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Revelation 12

12 And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars; 2 she was with child and she cried out in her pangs of birth, in anguish for delivery. 3 And another portent appeared in heaven; behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems upon his heads. 4 His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to bear a child, that he might devour her child when she brought it forth; 5 she brought forth a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, 6 and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which to be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days.

Mary, Queen of heaven. A crown of 12 stars. She gives birth to Jesus, Our Lord and God. The devil tries to devour Our Lord and fails.

The above passage is proof that Mary is indeed Queen of heaven.
thats a misrepresentation of scripture friend Revelation 12 is not about Mary most scholars would say it could regard also to her
Genesis 37:9-11, where “the sun, moon, and eleven stars appear together in Joseph‟s vision… yet
while the sun, moon, and twelve stars are parallel in both accounts, the other details are quite different” [29].
Drawing such a correlation may be considered tenuous since, for example, the woman and the child who are
central in John‟s account are totally absent from Joseph‟s dream. Thus to conclude that John intended his
readers to interpret this chapter on the basis of the Genesis material is unlikely.
Alan suggests that in the Old Testament, the imagery of a woman is frequently associated with Israel,
Zion, or Jerusalem (Isa. 54:1-6; Jer. 3:20; Ezek. 16:8-14; Hos. 2:19-20). Therefore, this background seems to
provide a much closer link to the intended significance of chapter 12 than the other proposed parallels [30].
However, he concludes that there seems to be in chapter 12 a blending of elements from Old Testament
concepts, Jewish materials, ancient mythical stories, and possibly the Domitian child myth. Regardless of the
sources or allusion, he states that John reinterprets the older stories and presents a distinctively Christian view of
history in the imagery of the woman and the child [31].
Contrary to this opinion, Beale suggests that “in chapter 12 John records the same story, but he gets his
account from the OT” and that none of the pagan stories from Babylon, Ugarit, Persia, Egypt, or Greece has all
the essential elements found in Revelation 12 [32]. It is easy to agree with Morris that the lesson associated with
a pagan sun goddess that may be learned is purely incidental. John is an artist in words with a divinely given
message and it violates the integrity of the text to degrade him to the level of a copyist of ill-digested pagan
myths. The corpus of writings attributed to John demonstrates his antipathy towards paganism. It would
therefore be extracting from the text more than the original intention of the writer or amount to unwarranted
conjectures to attribute John‟s ideas to pagan sources
The woman of Revelation 12, like the young woman of Ezekiel 16 (and like Eve in her God-given fur
coat), is outfitted in luxurious apparel. She is “clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her
head a crown of twelve stars” [34]. The Greek word semeion is used often in the Fourth Gospel of Jesus‟
miracles [35]. It is used seven times in Revelation; it refers four times to the miracles performed by Satan‟s
allies to deceive the world at the time of the end (Rev. 13:13-14; 16:14; 19:20). Here and in 12:3 and 15:1,
however, the word seems to mean a striking visual scene that capture one‟s attention [36]. Though what John
beholds excites his wonder, he does not use the Greek word for wonder (teras), a word which does not occur in
the Revelation [37]. This show that the woman is more than a mere woman-she signifies something, since John
generally uses “sign” to refer to a miraculous event or object[38].
Beale sees the woman‟s brightness as a heavenly identity and heavenly protection of the people of God,
as well as their purity, which safeguards their ultimate spiritual invincibility against persecution and corruption
by temptation, deception, or any vice [39]. However, Morris suggests that we must discern Israel, the chosen
people of God in this symbolism and he argues that the twelve stars will be the twelve patriarchs or the tribes
which descended from them. The symbolism is that of Joseph‟s dream (Gen. 37:9
The identity of the woman has been the subject of much debate. The four major opinions are:
1. The woman represents the church with the 12 stars representing the 12 apostles.
2. The woman represents Mary with the 12 stars representing the 12 apostles.
3. The woman represents Israel and the 12 stars represent the 12 tribes of Israel.
4. The woman represents the redeemed and the 12 stars represent the apostles and the tribes of Israel.
Some identify the woman exclusively with the Jewish people, the nation of Israel. This view seems to
be supported by the reference to the woman giving birth to the messiah or “male child” (v. 5) “the woman in
this drama is clearly demonstrated to be Israel (the seed bearer of Messiah) through whom the Messiah, Jesus
Christ, (the child) entered the world” According to Morris the scholar, the symbol represents Israel, the chosen people
of God; and that the twelve stars will be the twelve patriarchs or the tribes which descended from them
this is an constant debate dont rule out something off an eisegesis friend
 
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No Mary is not the queen of heaven.

Rev 12:5 is followed up by Rev 12:6

And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

See the difference between how Solomon greeted his mother 1Kings 2:19 and Jesus in Mark 3:31-35 Solomon bows down whereas Jesus does no such thing.

Jesus made Mary, so I dont see how he would ever bow before his own creation as Solomon would have naturally.
correction good exegesis but dont you believe Jesus hold too all the commandments correct perfectly and dont you believe he was bowed which in greek means follow his mom :)
 
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In the Davidic Kingdom, the Queen was the Mother of the King. Therefore, she is Queen of Heaven and Earth by virtue of her motherhood to Christ.
interesting i read scholars on this beliefs aswell its quite accurate but lemme ask how does she have the ability to be Queen of Heaven because shes the mother of Christ in eternity not outside eternity
 
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I'd say Psalms 45:9 is relevant. As is Revelation 11:19, Revelation 12:1, and Revelation 12:5.

Further she is a Queen because she is the Queen-Mother, and Christ is the King.
hmm can you explain futher dropping conclusions isnt an explanation from an eisegesis of scripture
 
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friend this is an awful rebuttal to the Queen of Heaven belief you understand that the Queen of Heaven belief is a belief that Mary has a spiritual marriage with Jesus not a literal marriage with Jesus they can hold the belief Mary is Queen of Heaven and still be contained with the scripture you shown

That is earthly thinking. Jesus does not marry His mother or anyone!!! That is a demonic doctrine.
 
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thats a misrepresentation of scripture friend Revelation 12 is not about Mary most scholars would say it could regard also to her
Genesis 37:9-11, where “the sun, moon, and eleven stars appear together in Joseph‟s vision… yet
while the sun, moon, and twelve stars are parallel in both accounts, the other details are quite different” [29].
Drawing such a correlation may be considered tenuous since, for example, the woman and the child who are
central in John‟s account are totally absent from Joseph‟s dream. Thus to conclude that John intended his
readers to interpret this chapter on the basis of the Genesis material is unlikely.
Alan suggests that in the Old Testament, the imagery of a woman is frequently associated with Israel,
Zion, or Jerusalem (Isa. 54:1-6; Jer. 3:20; Ezek. 16:8-14; Hos. 2:19-20). Therefore, this background seems to
provide a much closer link to the intended significance of chapter 12 than the other proposed parallels [30].
However, he concludes that there seems to be in chapter 12 a blending of elements from Old Testament
concepts, Jewish materials, ancient mythical stories, and possibly the Domitian child myth. Regardless of the
sources or allusion, he states that John reinterprets the older stories and presents a distinctively Christian view of
history in the imagery of the woman and the child [31].
Contrary to this opinion, Beale suggests that “in chapter 12 John records the same story, but he gets his
account from the OT” and that none of the pagan stories from Babylon, Ugarit, Persia, Egypt, or Greece has all
the essential elements found in Revelation 12 [32]. It is easy to agree with Morris that the lesson associated with
a pagan sun goddess that may be learned is purely incidental. John is an artist in words with a divinely given
message and it violates the integrity of the text to degrade him to the level of a copyist of ill-digested pagan
myths. The corpus of writings attributed to John demonstrates his antipathy towards paganism. It would
therefore be extracting from the text more than the original intention of the writer or amount to unwarranted
conjectures to attribute John‟s ideas to pagan sources
The woman of Revelation 12, like the young woman of Ezekiel 16 (and like Eve in her God-given fur
coat), is outfitted in luxurious apparel. She is “clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her
head a crown of twelve stars” [34]. The Greek word semeion is used often in the Fourth Gospel of Jesus‟
miracles [35]. It is used seven times in Revelation; it refers four times to the miracles performed by Satan‟s
allies to deceive the world at the time of the end (Rev. 13:13-14; 16:14; 19:20). Here and in 12:3 and 15:1,
however, the word seems to mean a striking visual scene that capture one‟s attention [36]. Though what John
beholds excites his wonder, he does not use the Greek word for wonder (teras), a word which does not occur in
the Revelation [37]. This show that the woman is more than a mere woman-she signifies something, since John
generally uses “sign” to refer to a miraculous event or object[38].
Beale sees the woman‟s brightness as a heavenly identity and heavenly protection of the people of God,
as well as their purity, which safeguards their ultimate spiritual invincibility against persecution and corruption
by temptation, deception, or any vice [39]. However, Morris suggests that we must discern Israel, the chosen
people of God in this symbolism and he argues that the twelve stars will be the twelve patriarchs or the tribes
which descended from them. The symbolism is that of Joseph‟s dream (Gen. 37:9
The identity of the woman has been the subject of much debate. The four major opinions are:
1. The woman represents the church with the 12 stars representing the 12 apostles.
2. The woman represents Mary with the 12 stars representing the 12 apostles.
3. The woman represents Israel and the 12 stars represent the 12 tribes of Israel.
4. The woman represents the redeemed and the 12 stars represent the apostles and the tribes of Israel.
Some identify the woman exclusively with the Jewish people, the nation of Israel. This view seems to
be supported by the reference to the woman giving birth to the messiah or “male child” (v. 5) “the woman in
this drama is clearly demonstrated to be Israel (the seed bearer of Messiah) through whom the Messiah, Jesus
Christ, (the child) entered the world” According to Morris the scholar, the symbol represents Israel, the chosen people
of God; and that the twelve stars will be the twelve patriarchs or the tribes which descended from them
this is an constant debate dont rule out something off an eisegesis friend

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That is earthly thinking. Jesus does not marry His mother or anyone!!! That is a demonic doctrine.
using a verse out of context and using it to refute a faith is not a christian thing at all and im pretty sure if it was a demonic it wouldnt be seen in the exact opposite and i just told you it isnt a literal marriage and it would be earthly thinking if it wasnt biblical
 
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