Is Jesus God ? (God the Son)
So like Jesus is God in human form ?
This is one of the core tenets of Christianity right?
So like Jesus is God in human form ?
This is one of the core tenets of Christianity right?
(you should never say form because God does not take forms) Jesus is God correction but he was God before the incarnation he was the logos of God which was the wisdom and power of God to help us in eternity who were deprived, he was sent(humble himself) in human flesh for us to be back in the likeness of God because we were fallen from grace cause adam and eve Jesus was not literally Gods Son that was the role he established when he humbled himself in paternity with the FatherIs Jesus God ? (God the Son)
So like Jesus is God in human form ?
This is one of the core tenets of Christianity right?
Is Jesus God ? (God the Son)
So like Jesus is God in human form ?
This is one of the core tenets of Christianity right?
There are many Bible proofs pointing to the divine nature of Jesus. This isn't one of them, for in this statement Jesus is saying that he and the Father are perfectly aligned, of one accord, etc., not that he, Jesus, literally WAS God the Father. That idea, if accepted, would be considered contrary to Scripture and the Creeds.John 10:30 'I and Father are One' so if Jesus was not God, He lied in John 10:30, therefore He was a sinner, and could have not died for our sins.
There are many Bible proofs pointing to the divine nature of Jesus. This isn't one of them, for in this statement Jesus is saying that he and the Father are perfectly aligned, of one accord, etc., not that he, Jesus, literally WAS God the Father. That idea, if accepted, would be considered contrary to Scripture and the Creeds.
This is a very interesting point but I think the Bible teaches that the Son is God with form based on the following verses:(you should never say form because God does not take forms)
In order to discuss this on this forum, it's necessary to get straight that Jesus is God and Jesus is NOT the Father.You are mixing two things, Jesus is God and Jesus is Father.
So which of those two (is the Father, is not the Father) will it be?Jesus is not the Father but He is God...
and John 10:30 is the perfect example of it. You said it yourself. Jesus and and Father are pefectly alligned, therefore Jesus is God. Nowhere do I say Jesus is the Father that would be heresy.
Did the Son of God humble himself from eternity or at His incarnation?Jesus was not literally Gods Son that was the role he established when he humbled himself in paternity with the Father
Is Jesus God ?
So like Jesus is God in human form ?
This is one of the core tenets of Christianity right?
in eternity, if it was not an eternal economical subordination than the Father and Son would have no differences at allDid the Son of God humble himself from eternity or at His incarnation?
I want you to know what forms mean to every single person who studies the trinity metapysics when we say God doesnt take forms it means he doesnt appear as that so that means Jesus didnt appear as a man but was actually fully man and every verse you presented agrees with me and Jesus never appeared as such but actually was truly the logos God sent are you isninuating that Jesus is literally an image of God and actually transformed to a human outside eternity?This is a very interesting point but I think the Bible teaches that the Son is God with form based on the following verses:
Php 2:6 Who [the Son], though existing in the form [Gr morphe] of God,
did not consider being equal to God a thing to be grasped.
Col 1:13 He [the Son] is the image [Gr eikon] of the invisible God,
the firstborn of all creation.
Heb 1:3 He [the Son] is the radiance of His glory and the imprint [Gr Charakter] of His being, upholding all things by His powerful word.When He had made purification for our sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.
The Son of God also took form and appeared to many according to the OT.
Christophany - Wikipedia
in eternity, if it was not an eternal economical subordination than the Father and Son would have no differences at all
if there is no economical subordination than there wont be a paternal or filiate relationship with the Father and Son and then there would be a discussion on the very diety of Christ because John 17:3-5 would be a very hard verse to refute if there isnt an economical subordination there would be a debate on ontologic subordination which would be a contradiction to Deuteronomy 6:4, a economical subordination very much equivocates to the differences in persons because they keep the trinity one and non-contradictory to the bible and logic itself. Also the reason i said no differences because there wouldnt be a monarchy with the father and there wouldnt be a logical explanation for Jesus as Gods Son and the Father being his God and still be God without losing the whole foundation of the trinity and i think even the simple minded would know thatIn my experience, in Trinitarian discussion "economic" refers to the activity of God, so I will assume that's what you mean here. I'm not sure why it follows that if there weren't economic subordination then there would be no differences. Why couldn't we still be talking about two persons? Or, why can't economic equivalence entail different persons? It seems you're conflating "economic" (what God does or how God acts) with "ontologic" (who God is).
and i think even the simple minded would know that]
if there is no economical subordination than there wont be a paternal or filiate relationship with the Father and Son
if there isnt an economical subordination there would be a debate on ontologic subordination
(you should never say form because God does not take forms) Jesus is God correction but he was God before the incarnation he was the logos of God which was the wisdom and power of God to help us in eternity who were deprived, he was sent(humble himself) in human flesh for us to be back in the likeness of God because we were fallen from grace cause adam and eve Jesus was not literally Gods Son that was the role he established when he humbled himself in paternity with the Father