Cognitive Capability of the Leader of the Free World Is Being Questioned

Do you agree the Leader of the Free World is in Cognitive Decline?

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TLK Valentine

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I'm not the one who supposes that Joe Biden is a step up from the previous president in the cognitive abilities department. ;)

Nobody expected you to be. ;)
 
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I do think one quality of a good leader is to not be too bull-headed by rejecting the opinions of others... I guess you could say that's what a democracy is all about.

...But I have to wonder where the advice is coming from not to stand up to an evermore threatening China. My best guess is our European friends, with their big trade agreements that they've recently established... That's their fault, IMO.

I call this dilemma "globalist gridlock". It's when you have too many issues to balance at once (like the whole world), it results in gridlock.
 
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I think this conversation is one where there's polarized extremes being discussed and the answer is somewhere in the middle.

I answered 'yes' based on how the question was worded.

However, if the question was "is Biden to the degree of cognitive decline that it prevents him from being able to do the job?", then I'd answer 'no'


Basically, whenever this conversation comes up, I see people on both sides who make "blinders on" types of assertions.

You have one side claiming he's a bumbling fool who's declined so bad that he can't remember how to tie his own shoes (based on some selectively edited clips).

You have the other side who wants to reject the notion of cognitive decline so much so, that they'll honestly pretend that he hasn't declined at all, and is the same Joe of 2008-2012.

The guy's almost 80, it's silly to say that there hasn't been any decline...it happens to everyone as they get older.

The reality is (coming from the NIH)
10% of people over 65 will have at least some form of what they call 'age-associated cognitive impairment', and.

40% of people over 65 have at least some some form of 'age-associated memory impairment'

(and those numbers go up even more at age 75, 85, etc...)

However, that's not the same thing as a person having full-blown dementia.

Is it something that could get to the level of concerning in the next 3-4 years? Possibly. As someone who had multiple grandparents live well into old age, it seems to be different for everyone.

My grandpa lived to 86, started showing mild decline in his mid-70's, by 83, he had a hard time remembering which grandkid was which and would leave the stove on by accident.

My one grandma lived to 88, started having the mild decline in her 70's, but it never really got any worse than that...

My other grandma lived to 98, sharp as a tack right up until the very end.



In a nutshell, you have many on the right over-exaggerating the situation based on a facebook/youtube video they saw from Louder w/ Crowder, and many on the left pretending that it's not even a concern at all in efforts to rebuttal the right. I wouldn't call either an accurate assessment.

Agreed.

The problem obviously is that either side can selectively edit to bolster their narrative. It's simply not an assessment that one can make through a tv screen.

I would feel comfortable with a nuetral third party making the assessment in a clinical manner.
 
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I think Biden is an interesting president. I say that, because he's literally the opposite of Trump, in that he does what those around him suggest, rather than running the show and firing those who get in the way.

...Polar opposites.

Another example of Biden's willingness to put the opinions of others over his own (e.g.):
"Israel has said it will press on for now with its attacks against Hamas, the militant group that rules Gaza, and the United States signaled it would not pressure the two sides for a cease-fire even as President Joe Biden said he supported one."​

Israel strikes Gaza tunnels as truce efforts remain elusive


I always thought that was a real impediment to Trump's presidency in that you got the impression that he didn't seek the counsel of others. At least with Biden you get the impression that he's not going to do anything really stupid like his predecessor because he has people around him that he trusts their counsel. This keeps me from worrying about another Capitol Riot or him firing missiles at North Korea!
 
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Is this actually happening?

Yes, they're giving billions to both Eastern and Western Africa, to build military bases on both the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, which threatens Europe, the America's and Australia. They've swallowed up Hong Kong, and threaten Taiwan and Vietnam.

They imprison Muslims and Christians regularly in re-education camps, and outlaw all criticism of the Chinese government, while simultaneously declaring their president permanent "Helmsman".

They're doing all these bad things while building building up their military, all with money from Western trade partners -which needs to stop immediately. And Biden praises the Chinese government, and re-establishes previous trade agreements with them.
 
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I think Biden is an interesting president. I say that, because he's literally the opposite of Trump, in that he does what those around him suggest, rather than running the show and firing those who get in the way.

...Polar opposites.

Another example of Biden's willingness to put the opinions of others over his own (e.g.):
"Israel has said it will press on for now with its attacks against Hamas, the militant group that rules Gaza, and the United States signaled it would not pressure the two sides for a cease-fire even as President Joe Biden said he supported one."​

Israel strikes Gaza tunnels as truce efforts remain elusive

One of the things (one of countless things) that Donald never understood about leadership is that you don't have to be the smartest person in the room. Find the best people you can, even if (especially if) they're smarter than you, and let them do what they do best. Your job is simply to point them in the direction you want them to go, and let them figure out how to get there...

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to them if they tell you why that might be a bad idea. They're the experts; you're not.

Biden's smart enough to heed the wisdom of the great prophets Jagger and Richards: "You can't always get what you want." What a president personally prefers might not be what's right for the country, and even if it is, it might not be worth the cost of attaining it.
 
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Yes, they're giving billions to both Eastern and Western Africa, to build military bases on both the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, which threatens Europe, the America's and Australia. They've swallowed up Hong Kong, and threaten Taiwan and Vietnam.

They imprison Muslims and Christians regularly in re-education camps, and outlaw all criticism of the Chinese government, while simultaneously declaring their president permanent "Helmsman".

They're doing all these bad things while building building up their military, all with money from Western trade partners -which needs to stop immediately. And Biden praises the Chinese government, and re-establishes previous trade agreements with them.
I guess I wasn't clear - I wasn't asking for more assertions to back up the previous assertion.
 
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IMO, Progressivism is the process of being reactive to changing events. Where conservativism follows a predetermined path, and doesn't sway.

I see value in both, and see that progressive change is due now in how we deal with China.
 
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This thread is not about Trump or how I feel about him.

There is nothing wrong with comparing Biden to Trump. In fact, comparing a current president to his predecessor (or to previous presidents) has been done throughout the history of our nation. Why is it suddenly unacceptable to Trump supporters to compare the current president to his predecessor?
 
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Didn't Gerald Ford and Ronald Reagan both face similar accusations?
In the case of President Reagan, it may have had some merit by the end of his second term.
In the case of President Ford, it was never true.

So all the gaffs prove is that President Biden is not the best Public Speaker we have ever had in the White House. The real question, to quote Elvis Presley, is can Biden "T.C.B."? So far, President Biden is "Taking Care of Business" just fine ... even if you disagree with all of his choices. That is the same thing that I saw when I first heard the question about "candidate Biden" being senile and watched one of his campaign stop speeches and press interactions for myself. The man does not walk, talk or act like he is senile. He just struggles to give a good speech and recall detailed numbers in impromptu situations.
 
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Not to worry! The news just broke in the mainstream media that Biden has given in and agreed to have a medical examination and to release the results to the public.

Whether this was always the plan of the Democratic leadership to let him remain in office just long enough to make it look real before stepping aside and letting Kamala become president, or if Biden's people have decided that the widespread opinion of the American people that he now has a diminished mental capacity and so is unable to govern coherently has forced their hand, it's not clear at this time.

Or maybe unlike trump when enough people question is sanity he does his part to prove he's well. Just because the last president proved he had dementia every day with his insane medical reports like all his tests came back positive, or bragging about an Alzheimer test and other such things. I love how 4 years of trumps insane ramblings, and you guys can't stop making stuff up about biden.

Looks like the right has a serious case of biden derangement syndrome.
 
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Well, that was fast - one post before someone attempted to derail the thread.

This thread is not about bashing the president or his "approval" ratings.

Either stick to the topic or excuse yourself from posting further, please.

So making up lies about his sanity isn't attempting to attack him and his job?
 
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4 years of world leaders, people across the globe and real news papers questioning trumps sanity and everything he does, trump being below 50% confidence pretty much his entire presidency, "It's all hit pieces because they hate trump."

a couple of right wing propaganda rags question biden, "See the world doesn't think he's sane." heh you need adamantium to cut the irony here it's so thick.

Also what ever happened to those 4 years of you must stand behind you're president no matter what, he's our president and it's unpatriotic to attack him and other such jingoistic nonsense?
 
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This thread is not about Trump or how I feel about him.

It very much is about trump, the very people making topics attacking biden every 5 minutes were the same ones attacking those who question trump for far worse things. It's downright hilarious seeing people that whined about trump derangement syndrome and other things showing far worse with biden.
 
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Do you agree the leader of the free world is in cognitive decline?

Exactly what evidence is there that Vladimir Putin is in cognitive decline?
 
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Exactly what evidence is there that Vladimir Putin is in cognitive decline?
List of Countries by GNP (2018)

United States $20,637,489,438,263
China $13,371,980,315,793
Japan $5,206,950,777,523
Germany $3,900,831,288,897
United Kingdom $2,776,344,283
France $2,758,940,620,597
India $2,713,849,397,679
Italy $2,044,562,148,878
Brazil $1,902,286,218,698
South Korea $1,689,209,625,243
Canada $1,667,638,046,649
Russia $1,506,136,905,122
Spain $1,373,591,030
Australia $1,328,936,835,420
Mexico $1,159,034,989,291

So Justin Trudeau is more powerful on the world stage than Vladimir Putin. :)
 
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