Cognitive Capability of the Leader of the Free World Is Being Questioned

[SummerMadness]

Well, that was fast - one post before someone attempted to derail the thread.

This thread is not about bashing the president or his "approval" ratings.

Either stick to the topic or excuse yourself from posting further, please.

This thread is completely about bashing President Biden, the sources are biased right-wing news sources that have issues with the truth.

 

[DerSchweik]

It's blazingly obvious that this thread is intended as:

"...an open door to merely bash the president cuz you don't like him or his politics"
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OB

Ah... well, I disagree - and if there's anyone who'd be motivated to do that, it'd be me, for a gazillion incredibly valid reasons. But that's no my intent here at all. I think this is a very serious issue - for ALL of us, regardless which side of the aisle you're on.

If you don't have something to share re the OP, it's it's probably best you move on.

 

[NxNW]

Ah... well, I disagree - and if there's anyone who'd be motivated to do that, it'd be me, for a gazillion incredibly valid reasons. But that's no my intent here at all. I think this is a very serious issue - for ALL of us, regardless which side of the aisle you're on.

If you don't have something to share re the OP, it's it's probably best you move on.

I see no evidence that he's mentally impaired.

 

[KCfromNC]

If you want to start a "serious" discussion, you'd do well to references sources better than the simple-minded, partisan hackery that's found at American Thinker, Washington Times, and Sky News Australia.

Perhaps another source would be more convincing - Russia spreading disinformation about Biden's mental health: DHS

Then again, maybe not ...

 

[Occams Barber]

Ah... well, I disagree - and if there's anyone who'd be motivated to do that, it'd be me, for a gazillion incredibly valid reasons. But that's no my intent here at all. I think this is a very serious issue - for ALL of us, regardless which side of the aisle you're on.

If you don't have something to share re the OP, it's it's probably best you move on.

OK - let's take a look at your OP

Other countries are questioning the cognitive capability of the president.

Your 'evidence' that "other countries are questioning the cognitive capabilities of the President" is limited to one video from an acknowledged Murdoch owned, right-wing Australian TV channel. That's it.

People in this country are questioning it as well. And given the mounting evidence, such questions are imho, quite reasonable to pose.

'People in this country are questioning" seems to be based solely on two articles from acknowledged right-wing US sources.

What "mounting evidence"? Please produce this evidence.

In post #4 @SummerMadness showed you the results of a survey where the US public expressed overall confidence in your President. This confidence would suggest the "people in this country" are not concerned about Biden's mental abilities.

It appears that the problem you're seeing amounts to your opinion and little else.

OB

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I think this conversation is one where there's polarized extremes being discussed and the answer is somewhere in the middle.

I answered 'yes' based on how the question was worded.

However, if the question was "is Biden to the degree of cognitive decline that it prevents him from being able to do the job?", then I'd answer 'no'


Basically, whenever this conversation comes up, I see people on both sides who make "blinders on" types of assertions.

You have one side claiming he's a bumbling fool who's declined so bad that he can't remember how to tie his own shoes (based on some selectively edited clips).

You have the other side who wants to reject the notion of cognitive decline so much so, that they'll honestly pretend that he hasn't declined at all, and is the same Joe of 2008-2012.

The guy's almost 80, it's silly to say that there hasn't been any decline...it happens to everyone as they get older.

The reality is (coming from the NIH)
10% of people over 65 will have at least some form of what they call 'age-associated cognitive impairment', and.

40% of people over 65 have at least some some form of 'age-associated memory impairment'

(and those numbers go up even more at age 75, 85, etc...)

However, that's not the same thing as a person having full-blown dementia.

Is it something that could get to the level of concerning in the next 3-4 years? Possibly. As someone who had multiple grandparents live well into old age, it seems to be different for everyone.

My grandpa lived to 86, started showing mild decline in his mid-70's, by 83, he had a hard time remembering which grandkid was which and would leave the stove on by accident.

My one grandma lived to 88, started having the mild decline in her 70's, but it never really got any worse than that...

My other grandma lived to 98, sharp as a tack right up until the very end.



In a nutshell, you have many on the right over-exaggerating the situation based on a facebook/youtube video they saw from Louder w/ Crowder, and many on the left pretending that it's not even a concern at all in efforts to rebuttal the right. I wouldn't call either an accurate assessment.

 

[Strathos]

When is it not? Seems like a 'dog bites man' story to me.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I think this conversation is one where there's polarized extremes being discussed and the answer is somewhere in the middle.

I answered 'yes' based on how the question was worded.

However, if the question was "is Biden to the degree of cognitive decline that it prevents him from being able to do the job?", then I'd answer 'no'


Basically, whenever this conversation comes up, I see people on both sides who make "blinders on" types of assertions.

You have one side claiming he's a bumbling fool who's declined so bad that he can't remember how to tie his own shoes (based on some selectively edited clips).

You have the other side who wants to reject the notion of cognitive decline so much so, that they'll honestly pretend that he hasn't declined at all, and is the same Joe of 2008-2012.

The guy's almost 80, it's silly to say that there hasn't been any decline...it happens to everyone as they get older.

The reality is (coming from the NIH)
10% of people over 65 will have at least some form of what they call 'age-associated cognitive impairment', and.

40% of people over 65 have at least some some form of 'age-associated memory impairment'

(and those numbers go up even more at age 75, 85, etc...)

However, that's not the same thing as a person having full-blown dementia.

Is it something that could get to the level of concerning in the next 3-4 years? Possibly. As someone who had multiple grandparents live well into old age, it seems to be different for everyone.

My grandpa lived to 86, started showing mild decline in his mid-70's, by 83, he had a hard time remembering which grandkid was which and would leave the stove on by accident.

My one grandma lived to 88, started having the mild decline in her 70's, but it never really got any worse than that...

My other grandma lived to 98, sharp as a tack right up until the very end.



In a nutshell, you have many on the right over-exaggerating the situation based on a facebook/youtube video they saw from Louder w/ Crowder, and many on the left pretending that it's not even a concern at all in efforts to rebuttal the right. I wouldn't call either an accurate assessment.

Dear Republicans, ^^^this^^^ is how you make a reasonable, sane argument about Biden’s cognitive decline.

There are plenty of legitimate things to criticize about Biden and the Democrats. Continually latching on to the stupid stuff makes you guys look simple-minded and undiscerning.

 

[Pommer]

No, I don't want a "President Harris." Neither do I want an individual who behaves as Biden does in all those gaffes running the country. Frankly, it scares the living tar out of me, having someone like that at the helm of the most powerful office in the world, someone who is CLEARLY struggling cognitively.

This isn't political now, this is serious stuff. You think Putin or Xi Jinping or other world leaders aren't taking notice of this?

2024 is in three years’ time.
Please buckle up and enjoy the ride.

 

[Pommer]

Except, when the president does come out to speak (which has been a rarity for quite awhile now), it's not like he's spending hours and hours in front of cameras such that they can get the sort of "opportunity" photos you're alleging. When he does come out, it's generally for just a very short time.

And re the "dozens of allegations in that regard for every president" not panning out, well one, not sure to which ones you're referring, but maybe there's a reason they didn't pan out.

But that doesn't mean similar allegations in this case must necessarily not pan out either.

Frankly, I can't think of another president in recent memory who's quite obviously struggled the way this one has in the past several years. And honestly, it seems to be getting worse.

I voted for a President, not an Entertainer-in-Chief.

 

[Nithavela]

I didn't vote Biden into office.

And yet he's president. Funny how democracy works, isn't it?

 

[Nithavela]

2024 is in three years’ time.
Please buckle up and enjoy the ride.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

I can't understand a thing Biden says, I guess I will just finish my Hamberders and covfefe.

 

[KCfromNC]

Dear Republicans, ^^^this^^^ is how you make a reasonable, sane argument about Biden’s cognitive decline.

But to be fair, unless one was also making the same argument about the previous guy - the one who was excited to share his knowledge of revolutionary war air power and had to be reminded not to stare directly at the sun - it is going to look more than a little bit suspicious to suddenly start to pretend it matters now.

 

[iluvatar5150]

But to be fair, unless one was also making the same argument about the previous guy - the one who was excited to share his knowledge of revolutionary war air power and had to be reminded not to stare directly at the sun - it is going to look more than a little bit suspicious to suddenly start to pretend it matters now.

Yeah, when taken in context of the last 13+ years of Republican rhetoric, it's clear that none of this is serious, or even-handed, or well-informed. It's all disingenuous and intellectually lazy.

 

[SilverBear]

Not to worry! The news just broke in the mainstream media that Biden has given in and agreed to have a medical examination and to release the results to the public.

What do you mean given in? The president has a yearly physical. All presidents have.

 

[Larniavc]

Point of this discussion:
Other countries are questioning the cognitive capability of the president. People in this country are questioning it as well. And given the mounting evidence, such questions are imho, quite reasonable to pose.
Do you agree the leader of the free world is in cognitive decline?
--- and to clarify, cognitive decline such that it is having, or could have, serious ramifications for him, his party, this country, even perhaps the world - being in the position he is in.

If you agree, what are those possible ramifications? How serious (or not) might they be?

If you disagree, why? E.g. Just political theater? No proof? Purely opinion/partisanship?

From Sky News Australia:

From the American Thinker:
https://www.americanthinker.com/blo..._capacity_is_diminishing_before_our_eyes.html

From the Washington Times:
It’s time to question Biden’s mental health


And let's be clear - this is a serious topic, it's not an open door to merely bash the president cuz you don't like him or his politics.

Is this to do with the way he stammers?

 

[Larniavc]

What do you mean given in? The president has a yearly physical. All presidents have.

Let’s hope he can match Mr Trump and name seven things he is shown.

 

[SilverBear]

No, I don't want a "President Harris." Neither do I want an individual who behaves as Biden does in all those gaffes running the country. Frankly, it scares the living tar out of me, having someone like that at the helm of the most powerful office in the world, someone who is CLEARLY struggling cognitively.

This isn't political now, this is serious stuff. You think Putin or Xi Jinping or other world leaders aren't taking notice of this?

What else can you think about a man who claims that windmills cause cancer?

 

[Albion]

What do you mean given in? The president has a yearly physical. All presidents have.

This isn't a yearly physical. But by the way, I'm sure we'd all be interested if you revealed to us what last year's Biden physical revealed about cognitive ability and the rest. It would put a lot of speculation to rest.