Is it "controversial" for pastors to disagree with COVID-19 church closures?

[BABerean2]

Certainly the attitude "I've had Covid so I'm ok - never mind anyone else" would be seen as selfish.

Is it your opinion that people who have already had the virus should wear a mask in public for the rest of their lives?


Origin of the COVID-19 virus ?:

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[Strong in Him]

Not according to Dr Bhakdi and others - the risk increases with each shot. Watch the video, why so stubborn.

I don't want to watch the video.
I've got my 2nd jab booked. You get the best protection when you have both - if I hadn't wanted a jab, I wouldn't have had my first one.

 

[BABerean2]

Medical personnel do all they can while working with confirmed cases....but, even with all the precautions, they've still become infected.

They have become infected by a virus which travels through the air in tiny water droplets, which are not stopped by the types of masks worn by these medical personnel.

The respirator I use when spraying paint has a rubber face seal which works by forcing the air through the filter.

If medical personnel are wearing the wrong kind of mask, they are not doing all they can do.

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[Strong in Him]

Is it your opinion that people who have already had the virus should wear a mask in public for the rest of their lives?

It's nobody's opinion that we should wear masks for the rest of our lives.
And I didn't say "in public", I said "in enclosed spaces".

 

[BABerean2]

It's nobody's opinion that we should wear masks for the rest of our lives.
And I didn't say "in public", I said "in enclosed spaces".

Visual demonstration of mask effectiveness in enclosed spaces:

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[Strong in Him]

Visual demonstration of mask effectiveness in enclosed spaces:

Whether that's true or not - don't wear a mask, don't get allowed into a shop.
Right or wrong; it's what it is.

 

[mkgal1]

Obviously not the same thing. Get a grip.

Yes it is "the same thing" which is community health and safety. We, especially as Christians, ought to be community minded and not self-referenced and only concerned about personal interests. Of all the people groups in the US.....this idea of looking out for our neighbors as ourselves should be our moment to shine. Unfortunately all the "cracks" are showing in a group called American Christians.

 

[mkgal1]

They have become infected by a virus which travels through the air in tiny water droplets, which are not stopped by the types of masks worn by these medical personnel.

The respirator I use when spraying paint has a rubber face seal which works by forcing the air through the filter.

If medical personnel are wearing the wrong kind of mask, they are not doing all they can do.

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They aren't there to only protect themselves. Their profession is caring for others (what we should see as our vocation as Christians).

I honestly don't even understand how this is even a question or debate.

My point was this isn't about "stopping the spread" - our goal as a country or as communities was to work together to slow the spread so it was manageable. It fell apart with the idea of working together.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Yes it is "the same thing" which is community health and safety. We, especially as Christians, ought to be community minded and not self-referenced and only concerned about personal interests. Of all the people groups in the US.....this idea of looking out for our neighbors as ourselves should be our moment to shine. Unfortunately all the "cracks" are showing in a group called American Christians.

Looking out for our neighbours in this case is warning them strenuously that, as eminent German microbiologist Prof Bhakdi said in an interview on Fox, 'If you take this vaccine you are going to your doom'. Eyes to see, these drug companies and governments don't care about you, if they did they wouldn't insist on indemnities. Deaths and injuries abound. The pharmakeia of Babylon, look it up it's in the Bible. If you want to trust God, then trust in the immune system He has given us, not some devil's brew of aluminum and aborted foetus juice. Time to inform yourself of what's really happening sister.

Go up to Gilead and obtain balm, Virgin daughter of Egypt! You have used many remedies in vain; There is no healing for you. (Jer 46:11)

 

[BABerean2]

Whether that's true or not - don't wear a mask, don't get allowed into a shop.
Right or wrong; it's what it is.

The three Hebrew men could have bowed down to the image during the time of Daniel.

However, they knew it was wrong, so they refused. They also knew the consequences.

As followers of Christ we are commanded to find out what is right and what is wrong.

In the United States many of those who have survived the virus or have been vaccinated, are starting to stand up against the mask mandates, because masks can also be dangerous.

A young woman collapsed during a track race recently, because her school demanded that she wear a mask while outside running a track event. She passed out due to a lack of sufficient oxygen.


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[BABerean2]

I honestly don't even understand how this is even a question or debate.

I would respectfully say, determining whether a mask actually works is critical to your efforts to stop the spread of the COVID-19 virus.

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[mkgal1]

Visual demonstration of mask effectiveness in enclosed spaces:

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Why is this even an argument? Why such resistance against a piece of cloth covering your nose and mouth for a short time as we're dealing with a worldwide viral crisis?

 

[mkgal1]

I would respectfully say, determining whether a mask actually works is critical to your efforts to stop the spread of the COVID-19 virus.

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"Stop the spread" wasn't the goal.


It seems to me to be an issue of "they're not going to tell me what to do".

We all live and breathe together (and with modern travel - it's critical that we work together.....and not be in opposition when it comes to community/public health).

It's disappointing to realize this is something to even be debated here. Out of all the topics we can discuss.....it seems this would be the one where everyone should agree (in my opinion).

 

[mkgal1]

The three Hebrew men could have bowed down to the image during the time of Daniel.

However, they knew it was wrong, so they refused. They also knew the consequences

False equivalency.

What's "wrong" in this? How can caring about others ever be seen as "wrong" - *especially* within the "Christian" community? Me thinks there's a different gospel in play here (especially in the United States).

 

[mkgal1]

Looking out for our neighbours in this case is warning them strenuously that, as eminent German microbiologist Prof Bhakdi said in an interview on Fox, 'If you take this vaccine you are going to your doom'.

I'm not understanding this topic to be specifically about the vaccine. That's another debate (and in Christianity.....we're not short on topics for debate).

 

[Strong in Him]

The three Hebrew men could have bowed down to the image during the time of Daniel.

However, they knew it was wrong, so they refused. They also knew the consequences.

Are you trying to claim that those who have this vaccine are bowing down to an image of another god?
Nonsense.

As followers of Christ we are commanded to find out what is right and what is wrong.

Right, so it's wrong to have vaccinations which will protect you against/lessen the effects of a deadly virus?
You'd have to prove in what way it was wrong. It's not against God's law, and certainly isn't against the law of the land; which leaves that it's wrong in your eyes/opinion - and I don't share that view.

In the United States many of those who have survived the virus or have been vaccinated, are starting to stand up against the mask mandates, because masks can also be dangerous.

Well that's up to them; I'm not in the States.
And if they were that convinced, why didn't they make a stand before they had either the vaccination or the virus? Sounds like "now we now we're safe, we'll protest and tell others what to do."

A young woman collapsed during a track race recently, because her school demanded that she wear a mask while outside running a track event. She passed out due to a lack of sufficient oxygen.

Well her school was ignorant, and it's a tragedy that she didn't refuse to run in the race. I've already said that we don't have to wear a mask in the open air.
That doesn't prove that masks are wrong.

 

[mkgal1]

because masks can also be dangerous.

Cite your source for this information. We've been doing this daily for a year. Please illuminate us with the "truth".

 

[mkgal1]

A young woman collapsed during a track race recently, because her school demanded that she wear a mask while outside running a track event. She passed out due to a lack of sufficient oxygen.

Source?

 

[mkgal1]

I would respectfully say, determining whether a mask actually works is critical to your efforts to stop the spread of the COVID-19 virus.

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Masks, health screening, and sanitation work. This case in a hair salon is what the CDC cites as "proof"......or do you believe the CDC is controlled by China?

Absence of Apparent Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from Two Stylists...

 

[BABerean2]

Masks, health screening, and sanitation work. This case in a hair salon is what the CDC cites as "proof"......or do you believe the CDC is controlled by China?

Absence of Apparent Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from Two Stylists...

Do I believe what the CDC says?

At one point Dr. Anthony Fauci said wearing masks was not necessary.

Later Dr. Fauci recommended wearing two masks.

Now Dr. Fauci says those who have survived an infection and those who have been fully vaccinated still need to wear a mask. However, he has no science to back up his claims.


I would never use a paint sprayer while wearing the type of mask most people are now using. My respirator mask passes OSHA regulations, and theirs does not.

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