Lazarus Short
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In which two posts did it come up? It's in post #282.
Looking again, it's there, but was not there earlier. No biggie...
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In which two posts did it come up? It's in post #282.
Your quote "Eternal adjective lasting or existing forever; without end or beginning."
Why did you bold the secondary meaning rather than the primary meaning " Eternal adjective lasting or existing forever?"
Here is the definition from Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Definition of eternal
(Entry 1 of 2)
1a: having infinite duration : EVERLASTING eternal damnation
b: of or relating to eternity
c: characterized by abiding fellowship with God
good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?— Mark 10:17 (Revised Standard Version)
2a: continued without intermission : PERPETUAL an eternal flame
b: seemingly endless eternal delays
archaic : INFERNAL some eternal villain … devised this slander— William Shakespeare
4: valid or existing at all times : TIMELESS eternal verities
I started going to Sunday School when FDR was president. I did not become a Christian until LBJ was president and it had nothing to do someone preaching hell. I had been in a few church between FDR and LBJ and can't recall ever hearing a sermon on hell.
In fact since I became a Christian I have only heard one sermon on hell and I preached it in '95. The title was "Lessons from Hell University." I wasn't the pastor my sermon had nothing to do with full pews and offering plates.I didn't even receive a stipend nor did I want one.
Maybe you guys should get a new boogey man line.
Do you have a verse that supports that position, because it does not sound very Christian to me. I find it better to “seek truth” and “trust in God” ... but to each his own. If being a “soul-less, Bible-wielding robot” works for you, then who am I to judge the servant of another?
Walk into most any church and say "there's no such thing as eternal torment" where the clergy and most of the congregation can hear you, and see what happens. Be sure to follow that up with "and you don't have to pay this church a 10% gross income tithe".
The English word "hell" is derived from Old Scandinavian "hel." Numerous common, everyday Old Scandinavian words were adopted into the Old English language during the Viking Age.
The "age/world to come" is not only in the future but is rather parallel to "this age" and also extending beyond it. It is the realm of God and the angels. The expression is related to the "kingdom of God/heaven," it has no beginning or end (Rom 16:25).We're being given a promise that we'll be alive in the age/world to come. I don't feel shortchanged by that. What happens after that age? I guess we'll have to wait to find out.
Thanks. . . I don't use the KJV, for manuscript reasons.Well, there is this little Hebrew word, "sheol." It refers to the realm of the dead, the unseen, the unknown, the grave, the pit. Half of the time, the KJV rendered it as "grave" or "pit," and I found that it did so when the context tied the instance to the real world. The other half of the time, the KJV rendered "sheol" as "hell," and it did so usually when the context did not connect to the real world. Be cautious, as the translators were not entirely consistent, so you can find instances that contradict the above. I was investigating Hell, so there are probably a lot of terms which were print to fit as well.
Your question is abundantly answered in the Bible.He means there's more to God than printed pages. Many throughout the Bible who fellowshipped with God and received revelation from Him, didn't have a Bible. What Bible did Moses go by, when he wrote the Bible?
And you are setting the Holy Spirit against himself in setting him against his Scriptures.Some folks get so carried away with sola scriptura they seem to forget there's a Holy Spirit.
And all the Mormons, Scientologist and Cults said ... “Amen.”He means there's more to God than printed pages. Many throughout the Bible who fellowshipped with God and received revelation from Him, didn't have a Bible. What Bible did Moses go by, when he wrote the Bible?
Some folks get so carried away with sola scriptura they seem to forget there's a Holy Spirit.
What is your specific objection? (quote below)And all the Mormons, Scientologist and Cults said ... “Amen.”
Is that a trick question? - lol... What Bible did Moses go by, when he wrote the Bible? ...
And all the Mormons, Scientologist and Cults said ... “Amen.”
When you are willing to engage in a reasonable, rational discussion let me know. How many churches have you been in preach/teach anything about hell on anything like a regular basis?Der Alte's Law - If I didn't experience it personally, it doesn't exist.
Also it's ironic how much you put into arguing in favor of eternal torment, while trying to gloss it over as something you've barely heard of.
Walk into most any church and say "there's no such thing as eternal torment" where the clergy and most of the congregation can hear you, and see what happens. Be sure to follow that up with "and you don't have to pay this church a 10% gross income tithe".[Meaningless no basis argumentation DA]
I posted the definition of "eternal" from a real dictionary Merriam-Webster. For you I will do it again. Please read and learn.Eternal, everlasting, timeless etc means without beginning or end. You had a beginning. Therefore you can't have eternal life. If you had eternal life, there wouldn't be a picture of you when you were about 1 year old.
When you are willing to engage in a reasonable, rational discussion let me know. How many churches have you been in preach/teach anything about hell on anything like a regular basis?
Had you bothered to actually read my post you might have understood that I did not say or imply anything highlighted in red
I posted the definition of "eternal" from a real dictionary Merriam-Webster. For you I will do it again. Please read and learn.
Definition of eternalAlso please read my post this thread where I quote 26 N.T. verses which define "aionios."
(Entry 1 of 2)
1a : having infinite duration : everlasting eternal damnation
b : of or relating to eternity
c : characterized by abiding fellowship with God good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?
— Mark 10:17 (Revised Standard Version)
2a : continued without intermission : perpetual an eternal flame
b : seemingly endless eternal delays
3 archaic : infernal some eternal villain … devised this slander— William Shakespeare
4 : valid or existing at all times : timeless eternal verities
Definition of ETERNAL
The lead paragraph from one of my posts above.
“aionios” occurs 72x in the N.T.
“aionios” is translated world only 5 times in the N.T.
“……….”….”………eternal 42 times in the N.T.
“……….”….”………everlasting 25 times in the N.T.
Jesus used “aionios” twenty eight [28] times Jesus never uses “aionios” to refer something ordinary/mundane which was not/could not be “eternal.”
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[4]John 3:15In these two verses Jesus parallels “aionion” with “should not perish.” Believers could eventually perish in a finite period, thus by definition “aionion life” here means eternal or everlasting life.
(15) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal [aionion] life.
[5] John 3:16
(16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting [aionion] life.
Please try to show me that I am wrong, that "aionios life" is not the opposite of "perish" as Jesus said, twice,
I wonder what it was like to receive the Thou shalt not murder commandment. Seeing as he had murdered an Egyptian. I don't recall God giving him a hard time about that. Makes you wonder.Moses was the wickedest man in the Bible.
He broke all 10 commandments at once.
You have deceived yourself into thinking that making a challenge is showing me something? I quote,I did show you, sport. As usual you ignored, repeated, and acted all snooty.
It's the basis for Nestle-Aland's work and the United Bible Society's collated Greek texts and apparatuses.Not familiar with the Critical Text.
Amen.He means there's more to God than printed pages.
I agree.Many throughout the Bible who fellowshipped with God and received revelation from Him, didn't have a Bible.
God's words as spoken to him ( the same as Noah, Enoch and many others had ), which is the same as those written on paper, vellum, plastic or any other material...What Bible did Moses go by, when he wrote the Bible?
It's possible that he may have...Moses was the wickedest man in the Bible.
He broke all 10 commandments at once.