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You've got it upside down and inside out friend. Salvation is a gift to those most unworthy of it. That's what grace is all about.

Inheritance, crowns of righteousness, that's the work part.

God is love. That's your starting point. Fatherly love so incomprehensibly deep and devoted that it overcomes all resistance, destroys all enemies, the last is death. So life prevails, and in abundance, the life of Christ in all, so every knee will bow and tongue confess in worship, God all in all.

Salvation is a free gift of God to those who repent toward God and Believe in Lord Jesus Christ.

Acts 20:18-21 (WEB)
. . .I didn’t shrink from declaring to you anything that was profitable, teaching you publicly and from house to house, 21 testifying both to Jews and to Greeks repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

God elects to save those who, by faith, deny themselves and follow His Son. That is what repentance and faith mean.

So God counts as worthy those who believe in His Son in the face of all the trials of this life.

Luke 21:34-36 (WEB)
34 “So be careful, or your hearts will be loaded down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that day will come on you suddenly. 35 For it will come like a snare on all those who dwell on the surface of all the earth. 36 Therefore be watchful all the time, praying that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will happen, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

2 Thessalonians 1:5 (WEB)
5 This is an obvious sign of the righteous judgment of God, to the end that you may be counted worthy of God’s Kingdom, for which you also suffer.

2 Thessalonians 1:11 (WEB)
To this end we also pray always for you, that our God may count you worthy of your calling, and fulfill every desire of goodness and work of faith with power

Revelation 3:1-5 (WEB)
1 “I know your works, that you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. 2 Wake up and keep the things that remain, which you were about to throw away, for I have found no works of yours perfected before my God. 3 Remember therefore how you have received and heard. Keep it and repent.
If therefore you won’t watch, I will come as a thief, and you won’t know what hour I will come upon you. 4 Nevertheless you have a few names in Sardis that didn’t defile their garments. They will walk with me in white, for they are worthy.
5 He who overcomes will be arrayed in white garments, and I will in no way blot his name out of the book of life, and I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Revelation 12:11 (WEB)
11 They overcame him because of the Lamb’s blood, and because of the word of their testimony. They didn’t love their life, even to death.

Revelation 14:12-13 (WEB)
12 Here is the perseverance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.” 13 I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write, ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.’” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors; for their works follow with them.”

Revelation 16:15 (WEB)
15 “Behold, I come like a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his clothes, so that he doesn’t walk naked, and they see his shame.”

Revelation 19:7-8 (WEB)
7 Let us rejoice and be exceedingly glad, and let us give the glory to him. For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his wife has made herself ready.” 8 It was given to her that she would array herself in bright, pure, fine linen: for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.

Revelation 21:6-8 (WEB)
6 He said to me, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give freely to him who is thirsty from the spring of the water of life. 7 He who overcomes, I will give him these things. I will be his God, and he will be my son. 8 But for the cowardly, unbelieving, sinners, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers (drug dealers) idolaters, and all liars, their part is in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

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God’s grace is offered to all through the Gospel, but the Scriptures clearly teach that a person appropriates that saving grace to himself by faith in Lord Jesus.

  • The ransom was paid for all (1 Timothy 2:6),
  • God desires all to be saved (1 Timothy 2:3-4),
  • and to have mercy on all (Romans 11:32).

We appropriate, or gain access to, that grace, mercy, and ransom to ourselves by faith (John 3:16). That is the Gospel Covenant, so:

Not all are ransomed
Not all are saved
Not all receive mercy

But those who believe, appropriate to themselves, or gain access, that saving power and grace of God:

Romans 5:1-2 (WEB) 1 Being therefore justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ; 2 through whom we also have our access by faith into this grace in which we stand. We rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Romans 1:16-17 (WEB) 16 For I am not ashamed of the Good News of Christ, because it is the power of God for salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first, and also for the Greek. 17 For in it is revealed God’s righteousness from faith to faith. As it is written, “But the righteous shall live by faith.” [Habakkuk 2:4]

You left out something. You have it correct that the ransom was paid for all, that God desires all to be saved and wants to have mercy on all. So, what did you leave out?

You left out that the faith by which we are justified is a gift from God.

You left out that even though sin's wages are death, God gives us the gift of life instead.

You left out God's omnipotence. Now if He wants to have mercy on all, and to save all, it will happen just like that.

I put my faith in God, not in my puny "free will."
 
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2Cr 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

These are being contrasted between them so both could not mean temporal correct?

That's a good one, since 'temporal' is traditionally contrasted with 'spiritual', as earthly is to heavenly, corporeal to incorporeal, material to ethereal, quantity to quality etc.
 
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So take the Nicene Creed for example, as in the Common Book of Prayer, the last lines:

We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.


But perhaps more to the point, aionian is here rendered the 'world to come', and of course together with our special friend zoe.
It doesn't help the conversation both you and @Der Alte confuse αἰών G165, αἰώνιος G166, and ἀΐδιος G126. Only the latter always means "eternal."

The last phrase in the Nicene Creed is:

καὶ ζωὴν τοῦ μέλλοντος αἰῶνος. Ἀμήν.

This is better translated:

and the life of the age to come. Amen.

But, regardless of whether you prefer the rendering "the age" or "the world," the point is that the word being translated is αἰῶνος, which is derived from αἰών G165, not from αἰώνιος G166.
 
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God will never make someone suffer without reason and never for ever.
This list of IFs are all accepted by one major orthodox church or another:

IF we were created as eternal self and other aware spirits and
IF we were all created with a free will and
IF there is an unforgivable sin, a sin that puts the person outside of all grace and
IF some of HIS creation chose to sin the unforgivable sin and
IF it is true that a little leaven / sin leavens / corrupts the whole lump / person / community, then
IF the only way to protect HIS Church and heavenly Family from these eternally evil people was to banish them from HIS heavenly reality,
THEN hell is an absolute necessity to keep the eternally evil ones from corrupting HIS heaven.
 
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You left out something. You have it correct that the ransom was paid for all, that God desires all to be saved and wants to have mercy on all. So, what did you leave out?

You left out that the faith by which we are justified is a gift from God.

You left out that even though sin's wages are death, God gives us the gift of life instead.

You left out God's omnipotence. Now if He wants to have mercy on all, and to save all, it will happen just like that.

I put my faith in God, not in my puny "free will."

You objection has nothing to do with the topic. However, faith onto salvation is not a gift of God in Scripture, nor is faith by grace.

Rather, we gain access to God's Gift of grace onto salvation by faith.

John 3:16 (WEB) 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
 
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he point is that the word being translated is αἰῶνος, which is derived from αἰών G165, not from αἰώνιος G166.

Aren't 'aion' (165) and 'aionion' (166) the same word, just noun and adjective? And the word being translated is just the plural aeons? Is there some finer distinction we're missing here?
 
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God’s grace is offered to all through the Gospel, but the Scriptures clearly teach that a person appropriates that saving grace to himself by faith in Lord Jesus. ...
Translation: Didn't bother to read the post or review the scriptures provided (bad Bible?)

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Right, as if we aren't familiar with the apologetics of eternal conscious torment. (gag me with a pitch fork) Here are some that YOU probably haven't considered. (at the risk of creating a Bible versus Bible scenario) Consider the implications of these. (and marvel that they were left intact in a Damnationist biased text - the Bible) If these aren't sufficient, I have more.

1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Titus 2:11
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,

1 Timothy 4:10
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

1 John 4:14
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Romans 5:18-19
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners,
so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

Colossians 1:19-20
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

Romans 3:24 NIV
and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
 
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Salvation is a free gift of God to those who repent toward God and Believe in Lord Jesus Christ.

Acts 20:18-21 (WEB)
. . .I didn’t shrink from declaring to you anything that was profitable, teaching you publicly and from house to house, 21 testifying both to Jews and to Greeks repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

God elects to save those who, by faith, deny themselves and follow His Son. That is what repentance and faith mean.

So God counts as worthy those who believe in His Son in the face of all the trials of this life.

Luke 21:34-36 (WEB)
34 “So be careful, or your hearts will be loaded down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that day will come on you suddenly. 35 For it will come like a snare on all those who dwell on the surface of all the earth. 36 Therefore be watchful all the time, praying that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will happen, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

2 Thessalonians 1:5 (WEB)
5 This is an obvious sign of the righteous judgment of God, to the end that you may be counted worthy of God’s Kingdom, for which you also suffer.

2 Thessalonians 1:11 (WEB)
To this end we also pray always for you, that our God may count you worthy of your calling, and fulfill every desire of goodness and work of faith with power

Revelation 3:1-5 (WEB)
1 “I know your works, that you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. 2 Wake up and keep the things that remain, which you were about to throw away, for I have found no works of yours perfected before my God. 3 Remember therefore how you have received and heard. Keep it and repent.
If therefore you won’t watch, I will come as a thief, and you won’t know what hour I will come upon you. 4 Nevertheless you have a few names in Sardis that didn’t defile their garments. They will walk with me in white, for they are worthy.
5 He who overcomes will be arrayed in white garments, and I will in no way blot his name out of the book of life, and I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Revelation 12:11 (WEB)
11 They overcame him because of the Lamb’s blood, and because of the word of their testimony. They didn’t love their life, even to death.

Revelation 14:12-13 (WEB)
12 Here is the perseverance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.” 13 I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write, ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.’” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors; for their works follow with them.”

Revelation 16:15 (WEB)
15 “Behold, I come like a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his clothes, so that he doesn’t walk naked, and they see his shame.”

Revelation 19:7-8 (WEB)
7 Let us rejoice and be exceedingly glad, and let us give the glory to him. For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his wife has made herself ready.” 8 It was given to her that she would array herself in bright, pure, fine linen: for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.

Revelation 21:6-8 (WEB)
6 He said to me, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give freely to him who is thirsty from the spring of the water of life. 7 He who overcomes, I will give him these things. I will be his God, and he will be my son. 8 But for the cowardly, unbelieving, sinners, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers (drug dealers) idolaters, and all liars, their part is in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Blessings

The second death is death to self, overcoming self, submitting to Christ. Yes, that's our part in salvation, to cry out to God in the night in confession of our sins, to throw ourselves at the foot of the cross in anguish. For God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble. A contrite heart.

But is that of ourselves, or are we vessels fitted for wrath so that God may show His great power by having mercy upon all?
 
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These are your thoughts and opinions.
Couldn't I say the same about your posts? (yes, I could)

The Passages you quoted shed no light on the Scriptural legitimacy of your views regarding the Judgment
That's not correct. See bold below.

1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Titus 2:11
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,

1 Timothy 4:10
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

1 John 4:14
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Romans 5:18-19
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners,
so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

Colossians 1:19-20
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

Romans 3:24 NIV
and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
 
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It's like these guys think God is the devil, but grossly meaner.
Exactly. They have imagined a God who is worse than the devil. A cosmic tyrant more cruel than any human they claim he will punish. What I call the caricature of an angry volcano god.
 
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All these verses below use the same NT Greek word, "aionios", the Greek word mistranslated as "eternal" and "everlasting" in Matthew 25:46. See bold below. This shows that "aionios" cannot mean eternal or everlasting.
The problem with your thesis is that none of the verses you quote has the word "aionios G166" except Mat 25:46, Mar 10:30 and Luk 18:30!!!
 
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Exactly. They have imagined a God who is worse than the devil. A cosmic tyrant more cruel than any human they claim he will punish. What I call the caricature of an angry volcano god.

Talk about doubling down.
 
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The problem with your thesis is that none of the verses you quote has the word "aionios G166" except Mat 25:46, Mar 10:30 and Luk 18:30!!!

I appreciate the distinction, will review the references. But is the distinction we are missing as you understand it between the plural of 'aion' and the adjective 'aionion'?
 
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Translation: Didn't both to read the post or review the scriptures provided (bad Bible?)

Saint Steven said:
Right, as if we aren't familiar with the apologetics of eternal conscious torment. (gag me with a pitch fork) Here are some that YOU probably haven't considered. (at the risk of creating a Bible versus Bible scenario) Consider the implications of these. (and marvel that they were left intact in a Damnationist biased text - the Bible) If these aren't sufficient, I have more.

1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Titus 2:11
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,

1 Timothy 4:10
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

1 John 4:14
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Romans 5:18-19
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners,
so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

Colossians 1:19-20
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

Romans 3:24 NIV
and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

God's redeeming grace of the Gospel is received by faith.

John 3:16
 
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God's redeeming grace of the Gospel is received by faith.

John 3:16
I agree.
Where we disagree is about when this can take place. (so, you still did not read the scriptures I provided?) As my buddy @martymonster likes to say: "God's grace doesn't expire when you do." (from memory)

Anyone who has knees to bow and a tongue to speak, in heaven and on earth and under the earth (in the realm of the dead), will whole-heartedly, and without reservation, acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord. No one can say that “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” you will be saved. Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. (the reason for the bodily resurrection)

Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says,
“Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart
that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Romans 14:9
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that
he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

Note on "acknowledge" in Philippians 2:11 from Strong's Concordance
S1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about") – properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).

Further reading: (Isaiah 45:23, Romans 14:11, Philippians 2:10, Revelation 15:4)
 
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Aren't 'aion' (165) and 'aionion' (166) the same word, just noun and adjective? And the word being translated is just the plural aeons? Is there some finer distinction we're missing here?

I appreciate the distinction, will review the references. But is the distinction we are missing as you understand it between the plural of 'aion' and the adjective 'aionion'?
We know that ἀΐδιος G126 means "eternal" and that αἰών G165 means “age” (or "world").

As you said, αἰώνιος G166 is adjective from αἰών G165, but what does it mean?

“Belonging to the age (or world)” needs further clarification. Which age or world?

In Jewish and Christian thought there is "this age (or world)" and "the age (or world) to come." We can safely reject that aionios refers to this age (or world). It most likely means "belonging to the age (or world) to come" or "of the age (or world) to come."

Post #77 attempted to shed light on the meaning.

One thing for sure, "aionios" does _not_ mean "eternal," as in without beginning and end.
 
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He may have thought he had good reasons to believe that, but he can't blame them on legitimate Catholic teaching.
Right. They invented it, after all. That makes it legitimate. Right?
 
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The second death is death to self, overcoming self, submitting to Christ. Yes, that's our part in salvation, to cry out to God in the night in confession of our sins, to throw ourselves at the foot of the cross in anguish. For God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble. A contrite heart.

But is that of ourselves, or are we vessels fitted for wrath so that God may show His great power by having mercy upon all?

God does the work of salvation in those who repent and believe demonstrated in listening to and following Lord Jesus, for many, even Christians will resist, quench, grieve, and insult the Spirit.

Romans 9:22-23 (WEB) 22 What if God, willing to show his wrath and to make his power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that he might make known the riches of his glory on vessels of mercy, which he prepared beforehand for glory,

God plainly teaches us of His will on whom he is preparing for wrath, and those God shows mercy, in the same letter to the Romans.

Romans 2:2-9 (WEB)
2 We know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things. 3 Do you think this, O man who judges those who practice such things, and do the same, that you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you despise the riches of his goodness, forbearance, and patience, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance? 5 But according to your hardness and unrepentant heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath, revelation, and of the righteous judgment of God; 6 who “will pay back to everyone according to their works:” [Psalm 62:12; Proverbs 24:12]
7 to those who by perseverance in well-doing seek for glory, honor, and incorruptibility, eternal life;
8 but to those who are self-seeking, and don’t obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, will be wrath, indignation, 9 oppression, and anguish on every soul of man who does evil, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Just as in Romans 2:2-9, God reveals to us in other Passages the reasons he causes a person to be a vessel of noble or ignoble purpose (2 Timothy 2:19-21).

Notice, those who repent of their unrighteousness are those who are sanctified before God. To these who repent, God has chosen to be vessels of honor. Those who don’t repent, God will make to be a vessel of dishonor.

2 Timothy 2:19-21 (WEB) 19 However God’s firm foundation stands, having this seal, “The Lord knows those who are his,” [Numbers 16:5] and, “Let every one who names the name of the Lord depart from unrighteousness.” 20 Now in a large house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of clay. Some are for honor, and some for dishonor. 21 If anyone therefore purges himself from these, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified, and suitable for the master’s use, prepared for every good work.

The sinner may question God saying,

“Why do you make him a noble vessel and not me?”

But does not a sovereign God judge rightly? Yes He does, for God is holy and righteous.

So who are we to question God about what He has determined? God forms us as vessels for a purpose according to how we (the clay) respond in His hands (Jeremiah 18:2-11):

Jeremiah 18:2-11 (WEB) Bolding mine
2 “Arise, and go down to the potter’s house, and there I will cause you to hear my words.”
3 Then I went down to the potter’s house, and behold, he was making something on the wheels. 4 When the vessel that he made of the clay was marred in the hand of the potter, he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.
5 Then Yahweh’s word came to me, saying, 6 “House of Israel, can’t I do with you as this potter?” says Yahweh. “Behold, as the clay in the potter’s hand, so are you in my hand, house of Israel.
7 At the instant I speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up and to break down and to destroy it; 8 if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, turns from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do to them. 9 At the instant I speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; 10 if they do that which is evil in my sight, that they not obey my voice, then I will repent of the good with which I said I would benefit them.
11 “Now therefore, speak to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, ‘Yahweh says: “Behold, I frame evil against you, and devise a plan against you. Everyone return from his evil way now, and amend your ways and your doings.”’

God forms the clay (nations (vs 8) as well as individuals (vs 11) for honor or dishonor, for condemnation or for salvation, depending on how we respond in His hands – to either respond in rebellion against God, or respond in repentance.

A Sovereign God leaves that choice up to the clay, for it is not God’s fault that the clay itself is marred in his hands, for God never teaches us that He created the clay to be marred. In other words, God created mankind, but God did not create us ahead of time to be evil or good.

Is it God’s fault the some of the clay he was forming into a good vessel was marred in His hands, as if God makes mistakes? Not at all; rather, God’s first intention was to form the clay into a noble vessel, but the clay itself was marred in His hands (they were living in sin), and so God changed His mind, and formed the marred clay for another purpose – destruction. God gave them time to repent. If they repented, (if the clay stopped being marred) then God would repent of His intention to form them into vessels for His wrath.

Notice again in 2 Timothy 2:19-21, the very same concept is taught, in that how God chooses to make us – either a vessel of honor or dishonor – is dependent on how we respond to God’s grace.

2 Timothy 2:19-21 (WEB) 19 However God’s firm foundation stands, having this seal, “The Lord knows those who are his,” [Numbers 16:5] and, “Let every one who names the name of the Lord depart from unrighteousness.” 20 Now in a large house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of clay. Some are for honor, and some for dishonor. 21 If anyone therefore purges himself from these, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified, and suitable for the master’s use, prepared for every good work.

A Sovereign God will make us to be a vessel for ignoble or noble purpose as he wills. And God wills to make the repentant believer into a vessel of mercy for noble purposes, and the unrepentant into a vessel of wrath, for ignoble purposes. So, how the vessel responds in God’s hands will determine the purpose for which God forms us.

Romans 9:22-23 (WEB) 22 What if God, willing to show his wrath and to make his power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that he might make known the riches of his glory on vessels of mercy, which he prepared beforehand for glory.

God does not show wrath on some and not others because He created them for that purpose. Read the context:

Romans 3:5-8
5 But if our unrighteousness commends the righteousness of God, what will we say? Is God unrighteous who inflicts wrath? I speak like men do. 6 May it never be! For then how will God judge the world? 7 For if the truth of God through my lie abounded to his glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner? 8 Why not (as we are slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say), “Let’s do evil that good may come?” Those who say so are justly condemned.

Therefore, as Paul clearly reveals by inspiration, who are we to say that God is unjust for righteously forming the vessel for wrath or mercy based on how we respond to His grace? Does not God have the right to form the clay according to how they respond to His grace? Who are we to say that God is not sovereign or just for doing so? Who are we to say God is not truly righteous in His judgments?
 
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