Thousands of vaccinated people sick, dozens dead

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In passing, with the death toll in the States at well over a half a million, a headline that reads 'dozens dead' even just a few months back would have had people claiming a miracle.

When the virus first appeared, there were at first dozens dead.
Now the vaccine has come upon the scene recently, and there are dozens dead.
The virus has been around more than year. Wait a little over a year that the vaccine has been around to make a valid comparison.
 
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Well, I study infectious diseases (including COVID-19) for a living, and I got my second dose of the Pfizer vaccine on Friday. My wife and one son have had their first doses, and my other son gets his first dose on Thursday. I think these vaccines have been a literal answer to prayer: very safe, more effective than we could have hoped for, and available far sooner than I thought they'd be.

Is it absolutely certain that there will be no long-term effects from them? No -- we can't be absolutely certain about anything like that. What we do know is that there is no plausible biological mechanism for the vaccines to have harmful effects that wouldn't be worse with the virus, no hint of any long-term effects so far, and no precedent with any other virus for anything really weird to happen. Since the only realistic alternative is being infected with a virus that we know is killing millions, is doing long-term damage to many millions more, and is far more likely to have weird long-term effects than the vaccines, the choice seems completely clear to me.
 
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When the virus first appeared, there were at first dozens dead.
Now the vaccine has come upon the scene recently, and there are dozens dead.
The virus has been around more than year. Wait a little over a year that the vaccine has been around to make a valid comparison.

Can we assume you'll take your own advice?

Then we'll you in a year's time (assuming that you haven't contracted it and umm...moved on).
 
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What we do know is that there is no plausible biological mechanism for the vaccines to have harmful effects that wouldn't be worse with the virus,...
I have often wondered if this was the case. And this needs to be emphasized. It is one thing to simply say "long-term effects are unknown", it is another to be able to make the more reassuring statement: "long-term effects are unknown, but we understand a fair bit about this stuff and none of the things that we do indeed know give us reason to suspect long-term consequences".
 
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Can we assume you'll take your own advice?

Then we'll you in a year's time (assuming that you haven't contracted it and umm...moved on).

I don't plan on getting the shot, if that's what you're asking.
My body, my choice. At least that's what I've been told.
 
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My body, my choice. At least that's what I've been told.
Well, you are entirely misrepresenting the facts here as you so often do.

You know full well the vaccine is not 100%. So you also know full well that if you and others refuse the vaccine, you (and they) are putting others at risk. So you certainly know that "my body my choice" is a distorted, misleading characterization.
 
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Well, you are entirely misrepresenting the facts here as you so often do.

You know full well the vaccine is not 100%. So you also know full well that if you and others refuse the vaccine, you (and they) are putting others at risk. So you certainly know that "my body my choice" is a distorted, misleading characterization.

That's the tactic of marginalization the Left likes to use as a way of dividing people against each other to accomplish their goals.
Saul Alinsky--
RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)
 
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I don't plan on getting the shot, if that's what you're asking.
My body, my choice. At least that's what I've been told.

I'm all for you, and others like you, not taking it. It means a greater availability for those who listen to the medical advice.

In passing, do you wear a seat belt? Someone mentioned earlier that they didn't. I'm not sure if they realise what a mess a windscreen makes of your face when the two meet each other at speed. I still bear the scars of the result of me standing up for my own rights when I wore a younger man's clothes. Funny that I wasn't so keen on my rights the next time I got behind the wheel.
 
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That's the tactic of marginalization the Left likes to use as a way of dividing people against each other to accomplish their goals.
Saul Alinsky--
RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)
Code for: I have been caught in a falsehood - time for evasive maneuvers.

Your "the mRNA vaccine is not a vaccine" is another example of this tactic of yours.
 
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I'm all for you, and others like you, not taking it. It means a greater availability for those who listen to the medical advice.

In passing, do you wear a seat belt?

I do. It's the law here, but I think I would anyway even if the law was repealed. A seatbelt doesn't have side effects that the FDA won't tell me about.
 
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Why is it that the most outspoken 'Christians' on this website seem to be those with the least compassion for their fellow man.

Are you talking about those who want to kill Grandma again? Don't worry. Grandma got her shots.
 
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Code for: I have been caught in a falsehood - time for evasive maneuvers.

Your "the mRNA vaccine is not a vaccine" is another example of this tactic of yours.

And you just proved my point. :oldthumbsup:
 
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And you just proved my point. :oldthumbsup:
Can you name one post - any post - in this thread where you are not spreading misinformation?

Any post will suffice - just tell us the post number.
 
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If you had, God forbid, cancer, would you doubt the best advice your doctors might give you? If your child was sick, wouldn't you take her to the hospital because that's where she'd get the best help? Do you ignore medical advice on a regular basis? I hope you're not one of these people who do not wear a seat belt and demand the right to exit your vehicle via the windscreen should the opportunity present itself.
Since they have been searching for a cure for cancer for over 50 years and haven't found one, what's my doctor going to do for me? He doesn't have a clue. Whats he going to tell me? How I can make myself disgustingly sick so I can shorten the quality of life I have left, lose all my hair and then die miserably anyways? That doesn't sound like advice I want to follow. How sound is medicine? Google malpractice attorneys in your area, there are tons of them. Why? Because doctors get it wrong all the time and need to be held accountable.
 
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