Catch 22
We are Israel. That's not about the nation.
... she said, in a failed attempt to evade the point made. <Laugh> But let's make it explicit, then. "As in Adam, all die". "For the fate of the sons of men and the fate of beasts is the same. As one dies so dies the other; indeed, they all have the same breath and there is no advantage for man over beast, for all is vanity." "For we will surely die and are like water spilled on the ground which cannot be gathered up again." "What man can live and not see death?" "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned"The human body is not immortal.
Just so. So please be kind enough to show me where Scripture states that everyone will live forever, either in eternal bliss or eternal torment. If you cannot, then I must assume that no such Scripture exists, and my contention stands.Then all that remains is to demonstrate it from Scripture. Scripture is the authority for God's truth.
... she said, in a failed attempt to evade the point made. <Laugh> But let's make it explicit, then. "As in Adam, all die". "For the fate of the sons of men and the fate of beasts is the same. As one dies so dies the other; indeed, they all have the same breath and there is no advantage for man over beast, for all is vanity." "For we will surely die and are like water spilled on the ground which cannot be gathered up again." "What man can live and not see death?" "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned"
There are others, of course, but those will do to go on with.
When you show me where Scriptures states that "God is sovereign" or that "God is three in one."Just so. So please be kind enough to show me where Scripture states that everyone will live forever, either in eternal bliss or eternal torment. If you cannot, then I must assume that no such Scripture exists, and my contention stands.
That would roughly be all of them. Try again.When you show me where Scriptures states that "God is sovereign."
Yes, which again does nothing to address the the question: where is the Scripture that says that everyone lives forever? Your damnationist doctrine depends on it being there, so please be good enough to cite it.Are you not familiar with Jesus' resurrection body or the second death?
All children of the promise equals all believers.
When you show me where Scriptures states that "God is sovereign" or that "God is three in one."
Are you not familiar with Jesus' resurrection body or the second death?
But first, you need to demonstrate that everyone, saint or sinner, lives forever one way or another, either in bliss or otherwise. Scripture explicitly states that all die. St. Paul says that the ages of sin is death., but that the gift of God is eternal life. Damnationist doctrine requires that everyone has eternal life, intrinsically. and that everyone will continue to live, either in Heaven or in hell. So where is this Scripture that declares that everyone lives forever?Then all that remains is to demonstrate from Scripture the error in the following presentation of the Scriptures
Aha! So y'all have your own bible! That explains where a lot of these notions come from. But fair play, can you cite anything in your bible that states that all human beings live forever for good or ill? If not, I'm ready to declare damnationism sunk without a trace.Good grief! . . .You guys need to write your own Bible, and leave ours alone.
From Romans.How did you work that out?
There was a sign at a shopping mall about available space for a retail business. The contact info was a phone number and the name Lisa Store. - lolI've seen a lot of punny names, but that one's the best.
Then surely you can give the "address" of at least one where "God is sovereign" is stated.That would roughly be all of them.
Should I wait until you provide the Scripture that says "God is sovereign"?Yes, which again does nothing to address the the question: where is the Scripture that says that everyone lives forever?
I'm thinking I'll operate by your rules--present the Scripture which states "God is sovereign."Your damnationist doctrine depends on it being there, so please be good enough to cite it.
I typed up the key points. If that helps. cc: @Lazarus ShortDid you seen the video?
It's two down from Bible 11:19, between "God is sovereign" and "God is three in one."But first, you need to demonstrate that everyone, saint or sinner, lives forever one way or another, either in bliss or otherwise. Scripture explicitly states that all die. St. Paul says that the ages of sin is death., but that the gift of God is eternal life. Damnationist doctrine requires that everyone has eternal life, intrinsically. and that everyone will continue to live, either in Heaven or in hell. So where is this Scripture that declares that everyone lives forever?