The Bible: God's plan for the redemption of humankind? Or... ???

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The video you apparently didn't watch covers that.

OK, I watched the video again, and it supports one of my bigger takeaways from the KJV - that the translation committee began with the theology, and translated to suit. However, would you not agree that translation should be done first, and honestly, and theology derived from that? I hope I don't sound redundant...
 
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That's not an accurate representation of arminianism. It's not God cannot it's God will not.
That's almost equally absurd, since we're told that God desires for all to be saved. Both "can't" and "won't" look to me to be equally silly.
 
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Maybe I misunderstood. God gives a new heart but the giving is conditional on our surrender.
So thus God "can't" save some people. Nonsense, I say.
 
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Like you've said in regard to Calvinism, what you're saying is God will not force anyone or cause anyone to become irresistibly compelled. Because that's not real love. It's not a real choice.
Should a lifeguard offer a drowning person a "real choice" before dragging them out of the river by their hair?
 
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OK, I watched the video again, and it supports one of my bigger takeaways from the KJV - that the translation committee began with the theology, and translated to suit. However, would you not agree that translation should be done first, and honestly, and theology derived from that? I hope I don't sound redundant...

That post was addressed to someone else. I'm not sure how your quote got in there.
 
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God says otherwise. He says he wanted to save Jerusalem but they would not.

And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.” Romans 11:26-27
 
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A robot would have been programmed to go into the building too. So God is saving him from what God caused him to do. ( In Calvinism.)
NotCalvinism. In Calvinism, sin is the result of the exercise of Free Will.
 
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A robot would have been programmed to go into the building too. So God is saving him from what God caused him to do. ( In Calvinism.)

A person can stay in hell for as long as they want to.
 
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And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.” Romans 11:26-27
We are Israel. That's not about the nation.
 
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