20 major reasons to reject the Premillennial doctrine

[rockytopva]

I have no interest in watching your videos. Those verses do not support the pre-trib rapture doctrine at all. And the pre-trib rapture belief doesn't encourage purity of spirit any more than the post-trib rapture belief does.

Expecting the heaven to open, gazing into a great heavenly scene, with arch angels, trumpets, loved ones, and rising up into a great glory... At any moment.... Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; - Titus 2

Is a wonderful effect of rapture teaching!

 

[Timtofly]

Where are you getting this from? Certainly not from scripture. Does the following indicate that souls can't function without a body?

Rev 6:9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10 They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?”

This passage says that John saw souls and they were talking to the Lord. So, they were clearly functioning even though they had been killed and didn't have bodies. You need to form your opinions from scripture instead of your imagination.

You and I are souls. Does not mean we don't have bodies. If he saw souls, he saw their bodies. Only a body can put on a robe. A robe is not a body. The soul is not putting on a body. The soul is putting on a robe.

 

[jgr]

You and I are souls. Does not mean we don't have bodies. If he saw souls, he saw their bodies. Only a body can put on a robe. A robe is not a body. The soul is not putting on a body. The soul is putting on a robe.

From the Greek:

5590 [e]
psychas
ψυχὰς
souls
N-AFP

"the soul freed from the body, a disembodied soul, Acts 2:27, 31 Rec.; Revelation 6:9; Revelation 20:4"

John saw no bodies.

Do you think your Greek is better than John's?

 

[Timtofly]

From the Greek:

5590 [e]
psychas
ψυχὰς
souls
N-AFP

"the soul freed from the body, a disembodied soul, Acts 2:27, 31 Rec.; Revelation 6:9; Revelation 20:4"

John saw no bodies.

Do you think your Greek is better than John's?

"Nothing" cannot put on a robe. Only a body can.

 

[jgr]

"Nothing" cannot put on a robe. Only a body can.

Do you think your Greek is better than John's?

 

[Timtofly]

Do you think your Greek is better than John's?

Does it take a body to put on a robe?

 

[jgr]

Does it take a body to put on a robe?

Do you think your Greek is better than John's?

 

[sovereigngrace]

My reply in the form of a sermon in which supports the following scriptures...

If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; - Colossians 1:23

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. - 1 John 3

The rapture belief encourages purity of spirit....

If you mean the Pretrib rapture, I would say the opposite. It creates a spiritual complacy of a second chance gospel, which is the opposite to the inspired text.

 

[sovereigngrace]

My reply in the form of a sermon in which supports the following scriptures...

If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; - Colossians 1:23

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. - 1 John 3

The rapture belief encourages purity of spirit....

Why would any of us want to watch your videos when you cannot give us one clear passage that teaches a Pretrib raptured followed by a 7-year trib, followed by a 3rd coming of Christ. This is totally unbiblical.

 

[Timtofly]

Do you think your Greek is better than John's?

If you are so literal on this text, in Revelation 20:12

And I saw the dead, both great and small, standing in front of the throne.

John did not see a soul, a body, nor a spirit. What did he see?

 

[jgr]

If you are so literal on this text, in Revelation 20:12

And I saw the dead, both great and small, standing in front of the throne.

John did not see a soul, a body, nor a spirit. What did he see?

The Holy Spirit inspired John.

Do you think your Greek is better than the Holy Spirit's Greek?

 

[Timtofly]

The Holy Spirit inspired John.

Do you think your Greek is better than the Holy Spirit's Greek?

Not the point.

John saw both.

 

[jgr]

Not the point.

John saw both.

The Holy Spirit inspired John.

Does the Holy Spirit think that your Greek is better than the Greek that He inspired John with?

 

[Timtofly]

The Holy Spirit inspired John.

Does the Holy Spirit think that your Greek is better than the Greek that He inspired John with?

As you are appealing now to the Holy Spirit, I guess we will wait for His answer.

 

[jgr]

As you are appealing now to the Holy Spirit, I guess we will wait for His answer.

Here's an opportunity for your own answer.

Do you think that the Holy Spirit thinks that your Greek is better than the Greek that He inspired John with?

 

[Timtofly]

Here's an opportunity for your own answer.

Do you think that the Holy Spirit thinks that your Greek is better than the Greek that He inspired John with?

It is not an opportunity. You cannot prove it one way or the other. You are out of context. You cannot even compare it to the rest of what John wrote in the same book. You accept the wordly carnal apparition of a soul as defined by the Greeks. There is only one place in Scripture that I can recall such an event and it involved witchcraft. If you think John is writing about the occult in your literal view of Greek occultism, that is your free will choice of interpretation.

 

[BABerean2]

Nope. That is once again your interpretation demanding a literal apparition.

I claimed John saw souls in incorruptible bodies about ready to put on robes of white.

Don't accuse me of your private interpretation.

What does the text say?

Rev_6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:


Rev_20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

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[BABerean2]

double post
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[Spiritual Jew]

You and I are souls. Does not mean we don't have bodies. If he saw souls, he saw their bodies. Only a body can put on a robe. A robe is not a body. The soul is not putting on a body. The soul is putting on a robe.

If he saw their bodies then why in the world would he say that he saw their souls? That would be ridiculous. Could he see through their bodies or something? It would be a very weird thing for him to say he saw their souls if he could see their bodies.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

"Nothing" cannot put on a robe. Only a body can.

That is figurative language. Look at this:

Revelation 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

The references to white robes and fine linen is a symbolical representation of "the righteousness of saints".