If we are sinning willfully after we receive, there remains no more sacrifice for sins

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No, but if we are sinning willfully that is issue that needs stopped.
The thread was posted to expose the lie that so many continue to spread to explain away what the text, it's grammar and the context so plainly state. The lie would be that the sinning willfully mention is reverting back to the old system and continuing the sacrifices.

I'm guessing you're out to combat easy believism cheap grace watered down gospel carnal Christians who think they have a license to sin. While readers (who aren't like that) think you're saying sinless perfection is required for salvation, which is what they argue against, while you figure they're arguing that it's okay to sin.
 
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What do you think was the occasion (motivation or Zits Im Leben) of Hebrews?
Well according to some of the issues presented in the text:

1) warning about NT Hebrew Christian brother unbelief (Hebrews 3:12, 19, 4:2)
2) warning about the Sabbath (why would NT Hebrews be warned about the Sabbath?),
3) warning based on failure to enter Canaan,
4) five warnings against apostasy and turning back (Hebrews 4:11, 1, 3:12),

the issue was apostasy, returning to Judaism, indicated by the whole book's defense of the superiority of the New Covenant over the Old Covenant in the superiority of Jesus over Moses and the angels as Mediator, over the Aaronic priesthood as High Priest, of a better sanctuary and a better sacrifice.

NT Hebrew Christian "holy brothers" (3:1) running back up to the Temple as though they had never heard of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ is preposterous on its face, typical of Jewish gloss.

For a fuller presentation of where this issue is presented in the letter, see
post #1259, Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?
 
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No where is that stated in the text of Hebrews. Please do not add or assume what is not there.
To jump to another letter to prove a text or letter is saying something is not proper exegesis. If we can't show our thoughts or teachings within the context and grammar of said letter than chances are strong we are wrong.

Actually the new sin administration covenant context begins in chapter 7 continues in 8, 9 & 10.

Mark 14:24 And He said to them, “This is My blood of the [new] covenant, [My blood] which is being poured out for many [for the forgiveness of sins]

Luke 22:20 And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup, which is poured out for you, is the new covenant [ratified] in My blood.
(MY NOTE: Jesus sin atoning payment began a new covenant replacing the old. Christ's resurrection is proof God accepted Christ's sin payment)

Heb 7:
11 Now if perfection [a perfect fellowship between God and the worshiper] had been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people were given the Law) what further need was there for another and different kind of priest to arise, one in the manner of Melchizedek, rather than one appointed to the order of Aaron?
(MY NOTE: Jesus retired the Mosaic covenant here: Matt 27:51)

12 For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is of necessity a change of the law as well.

17 For it is attested [by God] of Him, “You (Christ) are a Priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.”

21 (for those Levites who formerly became priests [received their office] without [its being confirmed by the taking of] an oath, but this One [was designated] with an oath through the One who said to Him, “The Lord has sworn And will not change His mind or regret it, ‘You (Christ) are a Priest forever’”).
(MY NOTE: The Levitical priesthood RETIRED/REPLACED/NOW OBSOLETE)

22 And so [because of the oath’s greater strength and force] Jesus has become the certain guarantee of a better covenant [a more excellent and more advantageous agreement; one that will never be replaced or annulled].
(MY NOTE: Jesus is NOW! High Priest (mediator between God & man) forever! He administers a New Better sin administration & a Better law covenant. (Reread vs 12 above)

Heb 8:6 - But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
(MY NOTE: Jesus has ALREAD obtained & NOW mediates a New BETTER covenant (then Mosaic) Jesus Melchizedek Priesthood covenant is established upon BETTER promises.)

I believe it's time to place the Mosaic covenant on the ash pile of history where Jesus death & resurrection retired it to:

Matt 27:51 And [at once] the veil [of the Holy of Holies] of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; the earth shook and the rocks were split apart.
(MY NOTE: Jesus death tears Temple veil (this veil separated Holy God's presents from sinful man) is torn in 1/2. Next, the New ETERNAL Melchizedek Priesthood covenant begins in resurrection power 3 days later. It's 1st implementation is seen here:

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled [that is, diffused throughout their being] with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues (different languages), as the Spirit was giving them the ability to speak out [clearly and appropriately].

The Holy Spirit of God indwelt believers = New Melchizedek Priesthood Covenant. God's presents no longer dwells (nor ever again will) in a Tabernacle or Temple (Mosaic covenant) inner sanctuary/Holy of Holies, made with human hands.)

Every REDEEMED believers is NOW a Temple where a Holy God's Spirit forever indwells. Once indwelt/baptized with Christ's Holy Spirit. The believers eternal fate is securely SEALED (Eph 4:30, 2 Cor 1:22, 5:5, 2 Tim 1:14, Jn 10:28-29, Rom 8:35-39) Amen
 
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We are new creation in Christ. His word, His Law being in our hearts. But those who are without or who ignore the gift shall die in their sins. For the wages of sin is death, and if we are sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth there remains no more sacrifice for sin, but certain fearful looking forward to judgment and fiery indignation which shall destroy the adversary. He who despised Moses' Law died under two or three witnesses. Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. But the just live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition (destruction); but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
Yes, Heb 10:26-31. It never ceases to amaze me how some have failed to understand the gospel and have managed to corrupt it. Faith, and the New Covenant, were never intended to serve as a license to escape or be free from our obligation to fulfill the law, the moral law, the ten commandments as outlined and supported by Jesus and Paul, along with all the ancient churches. Instead faith upholds the law by finally giving us the authentic means to fulfill it, the right way, in the communion with God that reconciliation brings us through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Man is made for communion with God and is lost, dead, sick, and disordered- and unable to maintain moral integrity- without Him. "Apart from Me you can do nothing." John 15:5

"If we deliberately go on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no further sacrifice for sins remains, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume all adversaries. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think one deserves to be punished who has trampled on the Son of God, profaned the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge His people.” It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."
Heb 10:26-31

Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.
Rom 8:12-13

We can only do this by being under grace, with God, not under the law, on our own. The new covenant promises:
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the Lord."
Jer 31:33-34

To the extent that we persist in sin, especially grave, serious sin, we prove that we're not really with God, we don't really know Him.
Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him. 1 John 3:4-6
 
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Thanks for sharing. There are forums within the site where you can give your testimony. I would love to here it. Here is a link to one. But there are probably several where your witness would be suited for. Please let me know when and if you do so so I can see it. Testimonies are more powerful than any sermon. https://www.christianforums.com/forums/testimonies.222/
Thank you! I am new to blogging forums. But I followed your link and put my testimony is "how has God honored you" thread. Thank you again. Blessings Friend. :)
 
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I'm guessing you're out to combat easy believism cheap grace watered down gospel carnal Christians who think they have a license to sin. While readers (who aren't like that) think you're saying sinless perfection is required for salvation, which is what they argue against, while you figure they're arguing that it's okay to sin.
We should spend less time guessing and thinking what we think others are figuring and actual address the text shared and the facts shared about them
 
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Thank you! I am new to blogging forums. But I followed your link and put my testimony is "how has God honored you" thread. Thank you again. Blessings Friend. :)
Wonderful! I will check it out when I have a free moment. May the Lord continue to bless us in All his Way; Jesus Christ
 
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I'm guessing you're out to combat easy believism cheap grace watered down gospel carnal Christians who think they have a license to sin.
I have never encountered a church denomination that teaches that Christians have a license to sin. I have no idea what you are talking about. In my experience, in every church I have attended, they seem to have an obsession with pointing out the sin of others. I rarely hear too much about loving others as Christ loved us.

If you can tell me the name of a church that teaches that we can sin as Christians. I would appreciate that. The holiness movement appears to be the only church denomination on this planet.
While readers (who aren't like that) think you're saying sinless perfection is required for salvation, which is what they argue against, while you figure they're arguing that it's okay to sin.
We are all sinners and should never notice the speck in our brother's eye. Apparently every church out there today is populated by lumberjacks.

1 Timothy 1:5
But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.

Ephesians 1:15
For this reason I too, having heard of the faith in the Lord Jesus which exists among you and your love for all the saints.

Ephesians 3:17
So that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; and that you, being rooted and grounded in love.
 
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I have never encountered a church denomination that teaches that Christians have a license to sin. I have no idea what you are talking about. In my experience, in every church I have attended, they seem to have an obsession with pointing out the sin of others. I rarely hear too much about loving others as Christ loved us.

If you can tell me the name of a church that teaches that we can sin as Christians. I would appreciate that. The holiness movement appears to be the only church denomination on this planet.We are all sinners and should never notice the speck in our brother's eye. Apparently every church out there today is populated by lumberjacks.

1 Timothy 1:5
But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.

Ephesians 1:15
For this reason I too, having heard of the faith in the Lord Jesus which exists among you and your love for all the saints.

Ephesians 3:17
So that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; and that you, being rooted and grounded in love.

The complaint I come across is churches that teach all your future sins are forgiven in advance, and don't say anything about confessing sins (and even discourage it) and don't say anything about repentance etc. Mega-church guys like Joel Osteen and Rick Warren seem to be accused of this a lot. Then there's the get rich though God prosperity movement. Kenneth Copland is a name that comes up a lot with that. Several more names all around I'm sure. On the other hand there are pastors who try to combat that and go too far in the other direction by emphasizing works over grace.

And in all of that as you say is a shortage of talking about loving others.
 
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Hebrews chapter 10 in context: Who is the speaker/writer talking to? = Jews adhering to the old Levitical sacrifices offered under the old Mosaic covenant

What is the speaker/writer talking about? A new BETTER Melchizedek covenant with a BETTER sacrificial sin management system

Christ New Covenant is BETTER: Better than Moses, because Christ created Him. Better then the Aaronic priesthood, because Christ's sin sacrifice is ONCE FOR ALL TIME. Better then the Mosaic law, because Christ mediates a better covenant.

1 Cor 10:
2 And all [of them] were baptized into Moses [into his safekeeping as their leader] in the cloud and in the sea;
(MY NOTE: Under the Old Mosaic covenant All were baptized into Moses)

3 and all [of them] ate the same [a]spiritual food; 4 and all [of them] drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ.
(MY NOTE: They ALL ate the heavenly given manna & drank from the Rock in the wilderness of Sinai.)

New covenant believers are baptized in the Name that carries ALL authority. New covenant believers eat the true Bread of Life (Jn 6:51) & drink from the true Living Water (Jn 4:13-14).

Heb 10:
1 For the "law having a shadow" of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those "sacrifices" which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
(MY NOTE: Mosaic Levitical sacrifices were foreshadows of Christ's coming BETTER/perfect Melchizedek "Once for All Time" sin sacrifice management system)

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
(MY NOTE: Mosaic law sacrifices only cover sin & DIDN'T provide remission = pardon. After Jesus perfect Once for All Time sacrifice complete forgives/pardon & removes All sins = Past-Present-Future)

8 Above when he said, "Sacrifice" and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
(MY NOTE: Mosaic law sacrifices, that covered only, did not completely please/satisfy heavens required wage for sin)

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
(MY NOTE: The 1st = Mosaic law, the 2nd = Order of Melchizedek. Established upon a sinless Christ's BETTER sin payment & resurrection)

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
(MY NOTE: Christ Once for All Time sin sacrifice, sanctifies every believer. Mosaic law couldn't do that Rom 8:3-4)

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same "sacrifices", which can never take away sins:
(MY NOTE: ALL the Mosaic law sacrifices (millions?) Only covered & didn't provide sin remission/pardon/removal)

12 But this man, after he had offered one "sacrifice for sins" for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
(MY NOTE: Christ's One Time (Sinless God Blood) payment satisfied heavens required sin payment & takes away/removes ALL the believers sin. (Jn 1:29) not just pre-conversion sins)

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
(MY NOTE: Christ's sinless/perfect God Blood payment FOREVER sanctifies the believer. Not just, until you sin again)

18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
(MY NOTE: Where there is Remission = pardon/total forgiveness. We never need another sin offering beyond faith in Christ's sin payment & resurrection)

19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
(MY NOTE: Jesus/God blood sin payment removed the curtain veil (Matt 27:51) that stood between God & sinful man. And now believers can enter into God's presents.)

21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
(MY NOTE: Jesus is our eternal High Priest: Ps 110:4, Heb 2:17, 3:2, 4:14,15, 5:6, 6:20, 7:11,15,23,26,27, 9:12,24)

22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
(MY NOTE: We come/access His righteousness by grace thru faith Rom 3:24, 5:1-2, Acts 15:11, Eph 2:5,8, 2 Tim 1:9)

23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
(MY NOTE: Trust in His faithful obedience & righteousness works, not your own)

24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
(MY NOTE: Love God & your fellow believer)

Now consider the contextual background verses 1-26 (Vs 14 in particular) this chapter = A NEW BETTER SACRIFICE! Onto verse 26:

26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the "knowledge of the truth", there remains no more "sacrifice" for sins,
(MY NOTE: This epistle is written to both believing & unbelieving HEBREWS under the Old Mosaic law covenant. 2ndly: Please reread the chapter context A NEW BETTER SACRIFICIAL SYSTEM. 3rdly: I'd like to remind NT believers (Rom 6:14 (B) You're not under (never were) Mosaic law.)

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
(MY NOTE: HEBREWS! Now! that you know/understand about the ultimate sin sacrifice, beware!)

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
(MY NOTE: They understood what the results from breaking God's law were)

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
(MY NOTE: By bring an animal sin sacrifice to the Temple AFTER you know the truth about Jesus ultimate sacrifice. You DENY the Son, the Father, who sent the Son & the Holy Spirit that revealed it to you.)

I would place the one's that chose to deny the Son as the the one's Jesus fortold of in the sowers parable:

Matt 13:21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

Life revolved around the Temple. Stephen had been stoned to death for his faith in Jesus, Saul was rounding up Christ professing believers & many believers scattered/dispersed/ran for their life.

Bottom line, these people were never saved they were seeds that fell onto stony heart.

Question to the OP poster: Have you, or do you know anyone, that has brought an animal sacrifice to a Levitical priest at the Temple?

Perversion of the Gospel
6 I am astonished and extremely irritated that you are so quickly shifting your allegiance and deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different [even contrary] gospel;
(MY NOTE: Many Jews herd the Gospel of Grace. But, soon after when chastised by the Old Covenant law thumpers, went back to old covenant law practices)

7 which is really not another [gospel]; but there are [obviously] some [people masquerading as teachers] who are disturbing and confusing you [with a misleading, counterfeit teaching] and want to distort the gospel of Christ [twisting it into something which it absolutely is not].

8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we [originally] preached to you, let him be condemned to destruction!

9 As we have said before, so I now say again, if anyone is preaching to you a gospel different from that which you received [from us], let him be condemned to destruction!

Placing the old Levitical Sacrificial System in front of the New Melchizedek sacrificial system. Is a perversion that leads to self destruction.

No where is that stated in the text of Hebrews. Please do not add or assume what is not there.
To jump to another letter to prove a text or letter is saying something is not proper exegesis. If we can't show our thoughts or teachings within the context and grammar of said letter than chances are strong we are wrong.
Actually the new sin administration covenant context begins in chapter 7 continues in 8, 9 & 10.

Mark 14:24 And He said to them, “This is My blood of the [new] covenant, [My blood] which is being poured out for many [for the forgiveness of sins]

Luke 22:20 And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup, which is poured out for you, is the new covenant [ratified] in My blood.
(MY NOTE: Jesus sin atoning payment began a new covenant replacing the old. Christ's resurrection is proof God accepted Christ's sin payment)

Heb 7:
11 Now if perfection [a perfect fellowship between God and the worshiper] had been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people were given the Law) what further need was there for another and different kind of priest to arise, one in the manner of Melchizedek, rather than one appointed to the order of Aaron?
(MY NOTE: Jesus retired the Mosaic covenant here: Matt 27:51)

12 For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is of necessity a change of the law as well.

17 For it is attested [by God] of Him, “You (Christ) are a Priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.”

21 (for those Levites who formerly became priests [received their office] without [its being confirmed by the taking of] an oath, but this One [was designated] with an oath through the One who said to Him, “The Lord has sworn And will not change His mind or regret it, ‘You (Christ) are a Priest forever’”).
(MY NOTE: The Levitical priesthood RETIRED/REPLACED/NOW OBSOLETE)

22 And so [because of the oath’s greater strength and force] Jesus has become the certain guarantee of a better covenant [a more excellent and more advantageous agreement; one that will never be replaced or annulled].
(MY NOTE: Jesus is NOW! High Priest (mediator between God & man) forever! He administers a New Better sin administration & a Better law covenant. (Reread vs 12 above)

Heb 8:6 - But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
(MY NOTE: Jesus has ALREAD obtained & NOW mediates a New BETTER covenant (then Mosaic) Jesus Melchizedek Priesthood covenant is established upon BETTER promises.)

I believe it's time to place the Mosaic covenant on the ash pile of history where Jesus death & resurrection retired it to:

Matt 27:51 And [at once] the veil [of the Holy of Holies] of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; the earth shook and the rocks were split apart.
(MY NOTE: Jesus death tears Temple veil (this veil separated Holy God's presents from sinful man) is torn in 1/2. Next, the New ETERNAL Melchizedek Priesthood covenant begins in resurrection power 3 days later. It's 1st implementation is seen here:

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled [that is, diffused throughout their being] with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues (different languages), as the Spirit was giving them the ability to speak out [clearly and appropriately].

The Holy Spirit of God indwelt believers = New Melchizedek Priesthood Covenant. God's presents no longer dwells (nor ever again will) in a Tabernacle or Temple (Mosaic covenant) inner sanctuary/Holy of Holies, made with human hands.)

Every REDEEMED believers is NOW a Temple where a Holy God's Spirit forever indwells. Once indwelt/baptized with Christ's Holy Spirit. The believers eternal fate is securely SEALED (Eph 4:30, 2 Cor 1:22, 5:5, 2 Tim 1:14, Jn 10:28-29, Rom 8:35-39) Amen
Actually the new sin administration covenant context begins in chapter 7 continues in 8, 9 & 10.

Mark 14:24 And He said to them, “This is My blood

Never stated anything different. The issue is you said in respect to what the sinning willfully is in Heb 10:26, "Hebrews chapter 10 in context: Who is the speaker/writer talking to? = Jews adhering to the old Levitical sacrifices offered under the old Mosaic covenant".

That is an issue because that is not stated or even implied any where in the letter. Sinning willfully is just that, sinning willfully. It could include reverting back to the old system and ignoring Jesus' gift but it is not inclusive to just that. Sinning willfully includes any sin in a lifestyle which one would be sinning willfully.
Hebrews chapter 10 in context: Who is the speaker/writer talking to? = Jews adhering to the old Levitical sacrifices offered under the old Mosaic covenant
 
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You must be very careful with the way you are presenting this doctrine. For you are blocking many people who may have fallen into sin from returning to relationship, and fellowship with God.

Firstly, the bible tells us:

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

So here we see John, saying "we should not sin, but if we fall into it Jesus remains our advocate (willing to forgive)".

You have to understand the cross, the cross covers all sin from the day we were born to the day we die.

Heb 9:27-28 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many;

See the timeline:

BORN ------------------- DIE ONCE
CHRIST ----------------- OFFERED ONCE

BORN ----sins covered ------ DIE ONCE

The verse:

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

We see above the sacrifice for sins spans our lifetime, and Christ is our forgiving advocate. Hebrews 10:26 sin wilfully, does not mean a one-off act of willful sin, it is a choice to enter a lifestyle controlled by willful sin, i.e. ultimate and final rejection of God, and His sacrifice.

By sticking hard to your "one-off", willful sin doctrine, you are denying Christians who may have fallen into sin from repenting. You are sending to hell (if such a thing were indeed possible), people who Christ has died for and redeemed.

The truth is there is a battle between the flesh, and the Spirit, the Spirit does not automatically give us power over all our sins, we must abide in the vine to be fruitful. As Jesus said "pray that you enter not into temptation, for the Spirit is willing and the flesh weak". A Christian who does not spend time with Christ, will become weak and prone to enter their sinful nature. The devil's plan is to keep as many people as possible away from that relationship. Honestly, I believe that your doctrine, if I understand it correctly, is indeed a doctrine that keeps people from a relationship with Christ.

The scripture tells us "be careful how you hear" ... for every doctrine we make has consequences.
 
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You must be very careful with the way you are presenting this doctrine. For you are blocking many people who may have fallen into sin from returning to relationship, and fellowship with God.

Firstly, the bible tells us:

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

So here we see John, saying "we should not sin, but if we fall into it Jesus remains our advocate (willing to forgive)".

You have to understand the cross, the cross covers all sin from the day we were born to the day we die.

Heb 9:27-28 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many;

See the timeline:

BORN ------------------- DIE ONCE
CHRIST ----------------- OFFERED ONCE

BORN ----sins covered ------ DIE ONCE

The verse:

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

We see above the sacrifice for sins spans our lifetime, and Christ is our forgiving advocate. Hebrews 10:26 sin wilfully, does not mean a one-off act of willful sin, it is a choice to enter a lifestyle controlled by willful sin, i.e. ultimate and final rejection of God, and His sacrifice.

By sticking hard to your "one-off", willful sin doctrine, you are denying Christians who may have fallen into sin from repenting. You are sending to hell (if such a thing were indeed possible), people who Christ has died for and redeemed.

The truth is there is a battle between the flesh, and the Spirit, the Spirit does not automatically give us power over all our sins, we must abide in the vine to be fruitful. As Jesus said "pray that you enter not into temptation, for the Spirit is willing and the flesh weak". A Christian who does not spend time with Christ, will become weak and prone to enter their sinful nature. The devil's plan is to keep as many people as possible away from that relationship. Honestly, I believe that your doctrine, if I understand it correctly, is indeed a doctrine that keeps people from a relationship with Christ.

The scripture tells us "be careful how you hear" ... for every doctrine we make has consequences.
Sinning willfully not sin willfully.
We have to go the day is before us.
Will respond more at a later time if God permits'
May the Lord our God continue to bless in all His Way; Jesus Christ
 
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We are new creation in Christ. His word, His Law being in our hearts. But those who are without or who ignore the gift shall die in their sins. For the wages of sin is death, and if we are sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth there remains no more sacrifice for sin, but certain fearful looking forward to judgment and fiery indignation which shall destroy the adversary. He who despised Moses' Law died under two or three witnesses. Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. But the just live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition (destruction); but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
Out of context.

It state's there remains no sacrifice for sin if after you have received the knowledge of the Truth or does not lead to repentance. Your listening to a demon twisting the Scripture to scare you. In the context your putting it in the verse doesn't even make sense nor could it Contextually apply to the following verses.
 
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You must be very careful with the way you are presenting this doctrine. For you are blocking many people who may have fallen into sin from returning to relationship, and fellowship with God.

Firstly, the bible tells us:

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

So here we see John, saying "we should not sin, but if we fall into it Jesus remains our advocate (willing to forgive)".

You have to understand the cross, the cross covers all sin from the day we were born to the day we die.

Heb 9:27-28 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many;

See the timeline:

BORN ------------------- DIE ONCE
CHRIST ----------------- OFFERED ONCE

BORN ----sins covered ------ DIE ONCE

The verse:

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

We see above the sacrifice for sins spans our lifetime, and Christ is our forgiving advocate. Hebrews 10:26 sin wilfully, does not mean a one-off act of willful sin, it is a choice to enter a lifestyle controlled by willful sin, i.e. ultimate and final rejection of God, and His sacrifice.

By sticking hard to your "one-off", willful sin doctrine, you are denying Christians who may have fallen into sin from repenting. You are sending to hell (if such a thing were indeed possible), people who Christ has died for and redeemed.

The truth is there is a battle between the flesh, and the Spirit, the Spirit does not automatically give us power over all our sins, we must abide in the vine to be fruitful. As Jesus said "pray that you enter not into temptation, for the Spirit is willing and the flesh weak". A Christian who does not spend time with Christ, will become weak and prone to enter their sinful nature. The devil's plan is to keep as many people as possible away from that relationship. Honestly, I believe that your doctrine, if I understand it correctly, is indeed a doctrine that keeps people from a relationship with Christ.

The scripture tells us "be careful how you hear" ... for every doctrine we make has consequences.
The question will always involve whether or not sin can keep us from seeing God. And, if so, does a truly contrite and repentant heart change that situation? And the answer, that the ancient churches carried forward as far as we can know, is that adamant persistence in gravely serious and harmful sin, "sin that leads to death", constitutes a turning away from God, while opposing and destroying faith, hope, and especially, love in us, and yet can most certainly be forgiven with metanoia, restoring one to life/fellowship with Him. The idea that sin no longer has consequences for believers, let alone the consequence of death, is satanic. We're no longer condemned because we've now been translated from the slavery of sin to newness of life as we turn to God in faith and enter relationship with Him. And then, we must remain in Him.
"Apart from Me you can do nothing." John 15:5
 
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Out of context.

It state's there remains no sacrifice for sin if after you have received the knowledge of the Truth or does not lead to repentance. Your listening to a demon twisting the Scripture to scare you. In the context your putting it in the verse doesn't even make sense nor could it Contextually apply to the following verses.
Prove what you say in the context of the scripture given and Hebrews chapter 10 and I will recant
 
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Prove what you say in the context of the scripture given and Hebrews chapter 10 and I will recant
I told you to Read it. You can prove it to yourself by reading it and associating it with it's apparent context. Don't tell me what to do.
 
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Hebrews chapter 10 in context: Who is the speaker/writer talking to? = Jews adhering to the old Levitical sacrifices offered under the old Mosaic covenant
That is not warranted from the text.

Hebrews deals with unbelief, falling away, turning back--all relating to the gospel, not to OT sacrifices, and all resulting in no sacrifice remaining for the forgiveness of their sin and right standing with God's justice, which means condemnation for them.

What is the speaker/writer talking about? A new BETTER Melchizedek covenant with a BETTER sacrificial sin management system

Christ New Covenant is BETTER: Better than Moses, because Christ created Him. Better then the Aaronic priesthood, because Christ's sin sacrifice is ONCE FOR ALL TIME. Better then the Mosaic law, because Christ mediates a better covenant.

1 Cor 10:
2 And all [of them] were baptized into Moses [into his safekeeping as their leader] in the cloud and in the sea;
(MY NOTE: Under the Old Mosaic covenant All were baptized into Moses)

3 and all [of them] ate the same [a]spiritual food; 4 and all [of them] drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ.
(MY NOTE: They ALL ate the heavenly given manna & drank from the Rock in the wilderness of Sinai.)

New covenant believers are baptized in the Name that carries ALL authority. New covenant believers eat the true Bread of Life (Jn 6:51) & drink from the true Living Water (Jn 4:13-14).

Heb 10:
1 For the "law having a shadow" of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those "sacrifices" which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
(MY NOTE: Mosaic Levitical sacrifices were foreshadows of Christ's coming BETTER/perfect Melchizedek "Once for All Time" sin sacrifice management system)

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
(MY NOTE: Mosaic law sacrifices only cover sin & DIDN'T provide remission = pardon. After Jesus perfect Once for All Time sacrifice complete forgives/pardon & removes All sins = Past-Present-Future)

8 Above when he said, "Sacrifice" and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
(MY NOTE: Mosaic law sacrifices, that covered only, did not completely please/satisfy heavens required wage for sin)

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
(MY NOTE: The 1st = Mosaic law, the 2nd = Order of Melchizedek. Established upon a sinless Christ's BETTER sin payment & resurrection)

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
(MY NOTE: Christ Once for All Time sin sacrifice, sanctifies every believer. Mosaic law couldn't do that Rom 8:3-4)

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same "sacrifices", which can never take away sins:
(MY NOTE: ALL the Mosaic law sacrifices (millions?) Only covered & didn't provide sin remission/pardon/removal)

12 But this man, after he had offered one "sacrifice for sins" for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
(MY NOTE: Christ's One Time (Sinless God Blood) payment satisfied heavens required sin payment & takes away/removes ALL the believers sin. (Jn 1:29) not just pre-conversion sins)

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
(MY NOTE: Christ's sinless/perfect God Blood payment FOREVER sanctifies the believer. Not just, until you sin again)

18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
(MY NOTE: Where there is Remission = pardon/total forgiveness. We never need another sin offering beyond faith in Christ's sin payment & resurrection)

19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
(MY NOTE: Jesus/God blood sin payment removed the curtain veil (Matt 27:51) that stood between God & sinful man. And now believers can enter into God's presents.)

21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
(MY NOTE: Jesus is our eternal High Priest: Ps 110:4, Heb 2:17, 3:2, 4:14,15, 5:6, 6:20, 7:11,15,23,26,27, 9:12,24)

22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
(MY NOTE: We come/access His righteousness by grace thru faith Rom 3:24, 5:1-2, Acts 15:11, Eph 2:5,8, 2 Tim 1:9)

23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
(MY NOTE: Trust in His faithful obedience & righteousness works, not your own)

24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
(MY NOTE: Love God & your fellow believer)

Now consider the contextual background verses 1-26 (Vs 14 in particular) this chapter = A NEW BETTER SACRIFICE! Onto verse 26:

26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the "knowledge of the truth", there remains no more "sacrifice" for sins,
(MY NOTE: This epistle is written to both believing & unbelieving HEBREWS under the Old Mosaic law covenant. 2ndly: Please reread the chapter context A NEW BETTER SACRIFICIAL SYSTEM. 3rdly: I'd like to remind NT believers (Rom 6:14 (B) You're not under (never were) Mosaic law.)

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
(MY NOTE: HEBREWS! Now! that you know/understand about the ultimate sin sacrifice, beware!)

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
(MY NOTE: They understood what the results from breaking God's law were)

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
(MY NOTE: By bring an animal sin sacrifice to the Temple AFTER you know the truth about Jesus ultimate sacrifice. You DENY the Son, the Father, who sent the Son & the Holy Spirit that revealed it to you.)

I would place the one's that chose to deny the Son as the the one's Jesus fortold of in the sowers parable:

Matt 13:21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

Life revolved around the Temple. Stephen had been stoned to death for his faith in Jesus, Saul was rounding up Christ professing believers & many believers scattered/dispersed/ran for their life.

Bottom line, these people were never saved they were seeds that fell onto stony heart.

Question to the OP poster: Have you, or do you know anyone, that has brought an animal sacrifice to a Levitical priest at the Temple?

Perversion of the Gospel
6 I am astonished and extremely irritated that you are so quickly shifting your allegiance and deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different [even contrary] gospel;
(MY NOTE: Many Jews herd the Gospel of Grace. But, soon after when chastised by the Old Covenant law thumpers, went back to old covenant law practices)

7 which is really not another [gospel]; but there are [obviously] some [people masquerading as teachers] who are disturbing and confusing you [with a misleading, counterfeit teaching] and want to distort the gospel of Christ [twisting it into something which it absolutely is not].

8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we [originally] preached to you, let him be condemned to destruction!

9 As we have said before, so I now say again, if anyone is preaching to you a gospel different from that which you received [from us], let him be condemned to destruction!

Placing the old Levitical Sacrificial System in front of the New Melchizedek sacrificial system. Is a perversion that leads to self destruction.
 
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That is not warranted from the text.

Hebrews deals with unbelief, falling away, turning back--all relating to the gospel, not to OT sacrifices, and all resulting in no sacrifice remaining for the forgiveness of their sin and right standing with God's justice, which means condemnation for them.

The sacrifice that Christ made was for all sin from the time we were born to the time we die.

Heb 9:27-28 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many;

Take Hebrews 6 as an example, where it talks of no repentance, it says the person detailed in that passage is "re-crucifying Christ". But we see from Hebrews 27-28 That the sacrifice spans a lifetime. The only way for the sacrifice to be unavailable is for a person to die in their sins.

Hebrews when talking of willful sin is not referring to an act of sin, but rather a return to a lifestyle of sin, from which one does not repent. While a person seeks repentance it is available.

The OT law is being used to show how a Christian should be treated, and it says:

Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

Yet let's look at the OT law, David, plotted the murder of a man, so he could cover up his sin of adultery, did God have him killed, no. The sin was very willful, it was not an accident. If we are using the OT law as a shadow of Christ's law let's use it wisely.

Mat 18:21-22 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

The doctrine that you are espousing, "one sin end's it all", is a trap set by Satan. Think about it for a minute, were you to fall into sin, you would think you could not ask for forgiveness, and would walk away from God. Not only that it makes it hard for Christians who have fallen to return to God.
 
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The sacrifice that Christ made was for all sin from the time we were born to the time we die.
That sacrifice benefits only those who believe in the person and work of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sin and right standing with God's justice; i.e., "not guilty."
Heb 9:27-28 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many;

Take Hebrews 6 as an example, where it talks of no repentance, it says the person detailed in that passage is "re-crucifying Christ". But we see from Hebrews 27-28 That the sacrifice spans a lifetime. The only way for the sacrifice to be unavailable is for a person to die in their sins.

Hebrews when talking of willful sin is not referring to an act of sin, but rather a return to a lifestyle of sin, from which one does not repent. While a person seeks repentance it is available.

The OT law is being used to show how a Christian should be treated, and it says:

Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

Yet let's look at the OT law, David, plotted the murder of a man, so he could cover up his sin of adultery, did God have him killed, no. The sin was very willful, it was not an accident. If we are using the OT law as a shadow of Christ's law let's use it wisely.

Mat 18:21-22 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
The doctrine that you are espousing, "one sin end's it all", is a trap set by Satan. Think about it for a minute, were you to fall into sin, you would think you could not ask for forgiveness, and would walk away from God. Not only that it makes it hard for Christians who have fallen to return to God.
I think maybe you are not understanding me.

There is "one sin that ends it all," to permanently turn away from the gospel and Jesus Christ whom you once accepted, which is apostasy, and to remain in that apostasy.

In rejecting Jesus Christ, you are without atonement for sin, and under God's justice on that sin, which is eternal death.
 
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I think maybe you are not understanding me.

There is "one sin that ends it all," to permanently turn away from the gospel and Jesus Christ whom you once accepted, which is apostasy, and to remain in that apostasy.

In rejecting Jesus Christ, you are without atonement for sin, and under God's justice on that sin, which is eternal death.
That's if you don't care about the truth. Logically apostates don't disagree with what's true, they simply base everything on a false doctrine denying the truth. I don't think a Christian in the Context of Election could become an apostates. it undermines being written in the book of Life.
 
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