Did Adam and Eve have sex before the fall?

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If there was any pain there would be suffering. I don't think suffering in any form was present with the garden. God created it to be a perfect place.

You can think that if you want but I have shown you that some pain in childbirth is implied prior to the Fall in Gen3:16 so maybe not all pain constitutes suffering as you think but is necessary as I have outlined above.
 
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You can think that if you want but I have shown you that some pain in childbirth is implied prior to the Fall in Gen3:16 so maybe not all pain constitutes suffering as you think but is necessary as I have outlined above.

Okay. Thanks for the discussion and have a blessed day
 
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Okay. I think it's safe to conclude they did not have children before the fall. The command to multiply was unheeded.

You can conclude that if you like - just as you seem to have concluded that Eve only received a uterus after the fall.
We can't know these things, and what does it matter anyway?
 
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Something tells me no, because I think God created the uterus after the fall when He said that the woman will toil to bring forth child. I don't think that toil was in the original plan. What do you think?
Does it not say:"increase your pain" suggesting there was some pain already. Could Eve had already bore some girls before leving the garden?
 
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Okay but then how would childbearing not have been painful before the fall?
There was no child bearing before the fall. I thought every culture understood what was meant by being "innocent" and not realizing their nudity.
Genesis 1:28 is a (p)recap of the events described in fuller detail in chapters 2-3.

Initially Adam and Eve were not meant to venture beyond the borders of Eden, so no they were not to multiply over the face of the earth. This command was given after the fall when they were sent away from paradise. The "blessing" of Gen 1:28 is the one and same curse pronounced on Adam and Eve in Genesis 3:16-19, that childbirth will be through pain (hence naming her "life") and Adam will have to from that point on toil the fields in thorns etc. The reason for this is because in Hebrew the word for blessing and curse is the same.

This is theology 101 all the way from the 2nd century. Irenaeos explains how Eve while a virgin and espoused to a man was found disobedient while the new Eve, Mary also a virgin being espoused to a man was found to be obedient and brought forth the new Adam Jesus, born under the law, yet in an inexplicable manner.
 
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Something tells me no, because I think God created the uterus after the fall when He said that the woman will toil to bring forth child. I don't think that toil was in the original plan. What do you think?
They had FANTASTIC sex before the fall! Adam knew that man would CLING to his wife from the beginning! Adam said so. While naming all the animals Adam would watch animals having sex all the time. He thought of it as a function... no shame before the fall.


They had superb sex! No shame. No one giving them strict judgmental morals to give them hang ups. Perfect tip-top health! ...

God decides when the womb is to be open.


God has the ability to "open and close" the womb causing conception or not.

"Ephraim's glory will fly away like a bird - no birth, no pregnancy, no conception." [Hosea 9:11] (God will prevent it)

"The angel of the LORD appeared to her and said, "You are sterile and childless, but you are going to conceive and have a son." [Judges 13:3]

"Boaz took Ruth and she became his wife. Then he went to her, and the LORD enabled her to conceive, and she gave birth to a son." [Ruth 4:13]

"When the LORD saw that Leah was hated, he opened her womb: but Rachel was barren (womb kept closed by God)." [Genesis 29:31]

"Then God remembered Rachel; he listened to her and opened her womb." [Genesis 30:22]

"But to Hannah he gave a double portion because he loved her, and the LORD had closed her womb." [1 Samuel 1:5]



In Genesis chapter Five men were not having their first son until what we would now call today 'old age'...

ADAM AND EVE WERE EXPERIENCING PHENOMENAL SEX!

Adam knew exactly how he was to function sexually with Eve. Genesis 2:24
 
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If there was any pain there would be suffering. I don't think suffering in any form was present with the garden. God created it to be a perfect place.
The thorns and thistles popped up only AFTER the fall.

Before the fall? If Adam and the woman wanted to roll down a hill together? They would feel comfortable doing so.

Animals were not fierce until after the fall... Adam did not need to work by the sweat of his brow until after the fall.


"I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children ... "(Gen 3.16).​

Now as far as GREATLY increasing her pain in childbirth after the fall?

The Lord was teaching the man and the woman daily. It could have easily happened during one lesson that the Lord was teaching about what happens when a woman gives birth.. To do so, the Lord grabbed her wrist and squeezed it a little to show her how minor the discomfort pressure she would experience. But, after the fall.. it says the pain will now be "greatly increased."

What would have happened if she gave birth before the fall would have seemed minor in comparison.
 
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literally God created Eve for Adam to have sex with day1 all they had to do in paradise was eat if they wanted and have sex nothing else.
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(And name any animals that were missed the first time through... ;))
God opens and closes womb of women as its stated in Bible since she didn't have kid untill after fall .
It seems to be contradictory for God to tell them to "be fruitful and multiply" and close her womb at the same time...
 
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Adam was there (most likely) for quite awhile because he had to name all the animals but that doesn't mean Eve was there for a long time as she came later on.
Eve was created on Day 6, too [Genesis 1:26-27], so Adam named all of the [land] animals in one afternoon! (That makes [animal] taxonomy to be the world's oldest profession... ;))
How long were Adam and Eve in the garden before they sinned? Probably about 15 minutes.
Before her first ovulation.
Then they didn't follow that command since they didn't procreate. Wouldn't that be rendered as disobedience to God?
Okay. I think it's safe to conclude they did not have children before the fall. The command to multiply was unheeded.
They complied if she hadn't ovulated, yet.
Okay but then how would childbearing not have been painful before the fall?
Because of differences in environment, her physiology, her diet or any combination thereof.
 
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How long was Adam in the garden without Eve? These questions are beyond the scope of the accounts and are not only never meant to be answered but also never meant to be asked.
Just a little tongue in cheek joke, lighten up : )
 
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Eve was created on Day 6, too [Genesis 1:26-27], so Adam named all of the [land] animals in one afternoon! (That makes [animal] taxonomy to be the world's oldest profession... ;))

The soul that would be known as Eve was created on day 6 but neither Adam or Eve became manifest on Earth until God formed Adam's body and breathed that life into it, then he became a living soul. Eve came along later when God built her body from Adam's rib. Up until that time she was effectively "hid in Adam" similar to how we are "hid in Christ" awaiting to be revealed.

Col.3:3 3 For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.
 
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Up until that time she was effectively "hid in Adam" similar to how we are "hid in Christ" awaiting to be revealed.
Saying "be fruitful and multiply" [Genesis 1:28] (also on Day 6) would have been an awkward conversation, then... :scratch:
 
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Saying "be fruitful and multiply" [Genesis 1:28] (also on Day 6) would have been an awkward conversation, then... :scratch:

Not really, because God is seeing the future as the present and vice versa so it can be a statement made from God's perspective in the present but for the future from our perspective.. Plus this creation isn't just for our benefit. The angels were there listening as well. Another thing to keep in mind is that when the Lord presented Eve, Adam had a "woohoo" moment. Oops, maybe that wasn't the best word to use but I think you get my drift in that Adam was surprised and delighted which suggests they may not have been fully aware of each other until they both became living souls ie. alive on Earth and functioning in a physical body. It's just a thought. But the Hebrew uses different words to describe the type of creating in Genesis 1 and Genesis 2.
 
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(And name any animals that were missed the first time through... ;))

It seems to be contradictory for God to tell them to "be fruitful and multiply" and close her womb at the same time...


Did not God know what was going to happen before they fell? It would have been a mess if half the human race was not fallen, and the other fallen. God is not the author of confusion. He made sure that Jesus would die for all.
 
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Did not God know what was going to happen before they fell?
"Delayed ovulation" is the simplest answer that fits all of the criteria,
  1. God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it;..." Genesis 1:28 NKJV
  2. They readily obeyed.
  3. First conception occurs after the Fall.
All other variations call for extra-Biblical speculation,
  1. "God closed her womb" when God blessed their fertility in Genesis 1:28.
  2. "They disobeyed God." Not supported.
  3. "First conception(s) occurred before the Fall." No such children were identified AND it would have created an unfallen class of humans.
 
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Okay but then how would childbearing not have been painful before the fall?
That's the paradox of the account, however if you a simple answer without forcing a bunch of odd changes a release of natural chemicals in the body would probably suffice. A more plausible answer is the account is not meant to answer those questions.
 
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Okay. Then they didn't follow that command since they didn't procreate. Wouldn't that be rendered as disobedience to God?
Again another paradox of the account all of which points to not that the account is flawed but more that it has a specific purpose that those questions miss the point.
 
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It's just a theological query. They are allowed on this forum afaik

I didn't say they weren't allowed; I was just wondering which something, that we can never know the answer to, was so important.
 
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